Bears4Ever_34 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I guess it really was all Adam Gase.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Have to wonder how long of a leash Fox/Pace have. This team looks noticeably worse already in two games than they did in year 1 of a rebuild. We can't continue changing the front office every 2 yrs and expect anything good. Must give them a 3rd yr. Everyone knew this was a rebuild from top to bottom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 No body can even hang on to the damn ball. Just ridiculous. These injuries are a killer though as well. God himself knows this team has no depth at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm not saying a damn thing about the INT. God knows that wasn't Jays fault!!! Wow!!! Please someone, anyone tell me why that wasn't Jays fault?!?? WTF is wrong with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 We can't continue changing the front office every 2 yrs and expect anything good. Must give them a 3rd yr. Everyone knew this was a rebuild from top to bottom Yeah I have way too much respect for Fox to give up on him yet. Seasons too early to write off just yet. Now Cutler? F*ck it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I am really simply tired of the Culter show. After 8 years I've had enough. I am ready to move on after the season. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 It's too bad Connor Shaw got hurt.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 We can't continue changing the front office every 2 yrs and expect anything good. Must give them a 3rd yr. Everyone knew this was a rebuild from top to bottom This 100%. Angelo and Emery completely screwed the pooch for years. We are simply bereft of talent. It is going to take another year maybe 2 before we win again. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 It's too bad Connor Shaw got hurt.. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 It's too bad Connor Shaw got hurt.. Yeah it is. I'm not a fan of throwing rookie qb like him to wolves though. Especially with this oline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 This 100%. Angelo and Emery completely screwed the pooch for years. We are simply bereft of talent. It is going to take another year maybe 2 before we win again. Peace The problem is that Ryan Pace keeps getting rid of the talent and replacing it with bad draft picks/players. First Marshall, then Bennett, then Forte, then Slauson, and soon to be Alshon Jeffery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Oh good flipping god. Who else is going down tonight. We are already bereft of talent. Calling all beer men lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Oh good flipping god. Who else is going down tonight. We are already bereft of talent. Calling all beer men lol Wow, no shirt. Minus the r. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted September 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Oh good flipping god. Who else is going down tonight. We are already bereft of talent. Calling all beer men lol Goldman carted off the field. Cursed? I think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 The problem is that Ryan Pace keeps getting rid of the talent and replacing it with bad draft picks/players. First Marshall, then Bennett, then Forte, then Slauson, and soon to be Alshon Jeffery. Brandon Marshall - nutjob, not a team player Bennett - not a team player Forte - Loved him in his prime but you don't pay 30-year-old running backs Slauson - I agree they should have kept him They can tag Jeffery again if they wish to. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 This is also what happens when you use both #1 picks on guys who aren't ready to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Wow, no shirt. Minus the r. What can I say my friend I'm getting soft in my older age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Glad they kept Royal. At this point, he's a much better player than White. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted September 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Bright spots, Eddie Royal, Alshon Jeffery, and Jordan Howard. Hoyer is McGown part 2, quick progressions and moves the ball. Cutler is hanging on a thread for my loyalty, always get the benefit but his guaranteed money is up so he needs to step up huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 So after 2 games, we can pretty much validate: 1. Cutler will never win anything, another phantom injury after multiple bad turnovers. It is time to move on. I would rather lose with Hoyer than lose with Cutler. 2. Langford is no Forte. Even though Forte has slowed he still looks better than Langford. Howard even looked better. 3. Miller is no Bennett. He gets touched and goes down. 4. White is no Marshall. Still waiting for him to do something. 5. Gould looks pretty good now. Barth's onside kick was pitiful and that was after a missed 31yd FG. 6. Dowell Loggains is a freaking joke, just fire him now. 7. I am starting to think Fox and Fangio are both over the hill. How can you be fairly competitive in the first half and look that bad after halftime? Adjustments anyone? 8. Freeman and Royal seem like the only players that give a crap. 9. If we can't beat Osweiler or Wentz, it is hard for me to see us winning more than 3 or 4 games. 10. At this point we are clearly not a playoff team and I doubt we finish 10-4, so I would look for trading partners now and move some dead weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 1. yes 2. yes. Howard was the only real bright spot. 3. yes 4. White appears to be a quasi-bust. A WR3 drafted to be a WR1 5. yes 6. yes 7. yes...2 games in a row now as well. reeks of stubbornness for crotchety old men that don't want to change 8. yes, maybe Long...but he's hurt 9. that's a little optimistic. 2-14 at best. We will be picking first 10. yes Your assessment is spot on... So after 2 games, we can pretty much validate: 1. Cutler will never win anything, another phantom injury after multiple bad turnovers. It is time to move on. I would rather lose with Hoyer than lose with Cutler. 2. Langford is no Forte. Even though Forte has slowed he still looks better than Langford. Howard even looked better. 3. Miller is no Bennett. He gets touched and goes down. 4. White is no Marshall. Still waiting for him to do something. 5. Gould looks pretty good now. Barth's onside kick was pitiful and that was after a missed 31yd FG. 6. Dowell Loggains is a freaking joke, just fire him now. 7. I am starting to think Fox and Fangio are both over the hill. How can you be fairly competitive in the first half and look that bad after halftime? Adjustments anyone? 8. Freeman and Royal seem like the only players that give a crap. 9. If we can't beat Osweiler or Wentz, it is hard for me to see us winning more than 3 or 4 games. 10. At this point we are clearly not a playoff team and I doubt we finish 10-4, so I would look for trading partners now and move some dead weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 We can't continue changing the front office every 2 yrs and expect anything good. Must give them a 3rd yr. Everyone knew this was a rebuild from top to bottom Front offices need time, they need at least 4 years, imo. You just can't whack that quickly twice with a front office. We need to stick to the plan and acquire talent an develop young players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Front offices need time, they need at least 4 years, imo. You just can't whack that quickly twice with a front office. We need to stick to the plan and acquire talent an develop young players. Key phrase there my friend. You hit it on the head. "acquire and develop". We have sucked at both phases til recently. Where we have acquired some nice looking talent but we still don't seem to develop anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Correct! Where we have acquired some nice looking talent but we still don't seem to develop anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Key phrase there my friend. You hit it on the head. "acquire and develop". We have sucked at both phases til recently. Where we have acquired some nice looking talent but we still don't seem to develop anything Fox has a history of developing talent. Look at all the defensive talent he developed in Denver. This is a new front office and coaching staff and they inhereted a real mess. I would hope that next year, we start to see the arrow move upwards (albeit slowly), but I think this team was so decimated (especially in the sense that it had so few young, home grown players whose arrows were pointed up), that it meant the rebuild was going to be a much longer process then usual (we tried to be mediocre for so long, that it put us in a spot where we forced mediocrity through veterans and that means you don't get the picks to get the top talent, and then we whiffed on later round talent under Emery / Trestman) so we really were in an awful spot. The defensive coaching staff is pretty damn proven so they have a track record to trust, however, offensively, I think there are real questions with Loggains. I do think that stability in general is a good thing and when you look at the better franchises they seem to be more patient in general vs. less and wonder if that actually leads to some of the success (vs. just the underlying individuals running the ship). I.e., look at the Browns, restructuring every 2-3 years essentially means you never are able to see a strategy through and thus it is almost impossible to successfully rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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