Stinger226 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Front offices need time, they need at least 4 years, imo. You just can't whack that quickly twice with a front office. We need to stick to the plan and acquire talent an develop young players. totally agree, Fox has did a good job every where he went, he may not take us to a SB but he will build the roster with players and have good coaches around him. I do not think he is a good gameday coach but that is what Gase did well. We need to give loggins some time to see what he can do. He was with us last year and I am sure he learned some stuff from Fox and Gase, we need to give him time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 totally agree, Fox has did a good job every where he went, he may not take us to a SB but he will build the roster with players and have good coaches around him. I do not think he is a good gameday coach but that is what Gase did well. We need to give loggins some time to see what he can do. He was with us last year and I am sure he learned some stuff from Fox and Gase, we need to give him time. My view is, let Fox and Pace build the thing up, then when you need to, you can always move away from Fox (as he is getting older) and groom the eventual replacement. That said, we are a ways from that discussion as this thing is going to take time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAMEDSONPAYTON2 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 If I was a GM, 90% of the time I would draft offense and defense of linemen in the first 3 rounds every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Fox has a history of developing talent. Look at all the defensive talent he developed in Denver. This is a new front office and coaching staff and they inhereted a real mess. I would hope that next year, we start to see the arrow move upwards (albeit slowly), but I think this team was so decimated (especially in the sense that it had so few young, home grown players whose arrows were pointed up), that it meant the rebuild was going to be a much longer process then usual (we tried to be mediocre for so long, that it put us in a spot where we forced mediocrity through veterans and that means you don't get the picks to get the top talent, and then we whiffed on later round talent under Emery / Trestman) so we really were in an awful spot. The defensive coaching staff is pretty damn proven so they have a track record to trust, however, offensively, I think there are real questions with Loggains. I do think that stability in general is a good thing and when you look at the better franchises they seem to be more patient in general vs. less and wonder if that actually leads to some of the success (vs. just the underlying individuals running the ship). I.e., look at the Browns, restructuring every 2-3 years essentially means you never are able to see a strategy through and thus it is almost impossible to successfully rebuild. This is exactly what I've been trying to say. If we just change staffs again then we are no better than the browns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 While I agree...are we better than the Browns? This is exactly what I've been trying to say. If we just change staffs again then we are no better than the browns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 While I agree...are we better than the Browns? Honestly yes I do think so but if we keep turning over the coaching staff every 2 yrs then no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm not sure we are...the Browns put up a good fight against the Ravens this past weekend. But, I agree...we should not turn coaching staffs over so often. But, we'll see how Fox does these next 14 games. If we see more of the same...oh man, it'll be bad. Honestly yes I do think so but if we keep turning over the coaching staff every 2 yrs then no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm not sure we are...the Browns put up a good fight against the Ravens this past weekend. But, I agree...we should not turn coaching staffs over so often. But, we'll see how Fox does these next 14 games. If we see more of the same...oh man, it'll be bad. The browns played the 1st half then completely forgot to come out for 2nd half. Hmm sounds familiar lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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