madlithuanian Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Paulsen can play matador now in the FB role along w/ his TE role... John Mullin @CSNMoonMullin 20m20 minutes ago #Bears waiving FB Paul Lasike - expecting move QB Matt Barkley from prac squad to 53 - little impact from using FB 3 retweets 4 likes Reply Retweet 3 Like 4 More Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Paulsen can play matador now in the FB role along w/ his TE role... John Mullin @CSNMoonMullin 20m20 minutes ago #Bears waiving FB Paul Lasike - expecting move QB Matt Barkley from prac squad to 53 - little impact from using FB 3 retweets 4 likes Reply Retweet 3 Like 4 More No surprise here. Needed to have a 2nd healthy qb on roster and it's not like we even utilize a db anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted September 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Well, he did get a short yardage 1st and put the block on so that Langford could go unscathed into the end zone... No surprise here. Needed to have a 2nd healthy qb on roster and it's not like we even utilize a db anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Paulsen can play matador now in the FB role along w/ his TE role... John Mullin @CSNMoonMullin 20m20 minutes ago #Bears waiving FB Paul Lasike - expecting move QB Matt Barkley from prac squad to 53 - little impact from using FB 3 retweets 4 likes Reply Retweet 3 Like 4 More When I saw Barkley signed to the PR I have to say I was intrigued. He came out of USC with some decent marks. In fact was projected at one point to be the 1st pick. However due to a shoulder injury he suffered his last year in college he didn't go until the fourth round. His pro career hasn't been stellar but his draft analysis suggests that not only is he comfortable with a pro style offense he might be pretty solid as short and medium range passer. If Hoyer falters if be curious to see how Barkley plays. What have we got to lose at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 When I saw Barkley signed to the PR I have to say I was intrigued. He came out of USC with some decent marks. In fact was projected at one point to be the 1st pick. However due to a shoulder injury he suffered his last year in college he didn't go until the fourth round. His pro career hasn't been stellar but his draft analysis suggests that not only is he comfortable with a pro style offense he might be pretty solid as short and medium range passer. If Hoyer falters if be curious to see how Barkley plays. What have we got to lose at this point? Yeah I agree. And giving Barkley 2 big receivers in Jeffery and white he might be able to do something. And like you said nothing to lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Barkley is not the answer. If you like short/medium throws and 8 defenders in the box we might as well stick with Hoyer. It is really disappointing that Shaw broke his leg because he looked like a good backup QB for us, and if he had potential to be more we'd be getting a chance to see that now. IMO finding a QB requires one of two things: a) Luck (not necessarily Andrew but that'd be a good answer). Throwing a lot of darts at the board which is what Seattle did in Pete Carroll's first two seasons. Then the luck portion paid off with Russell Wilson. For all their genius is finding Wilson they are the same organization that traded a 3rd Rd pick for Charlie Whitehurst, started Tarvaris Jackson, and said this: "Seattle's front office later stated they had already picked up a potential franchise quarterback in the draft by acquiring Whitehurst with the 2011 pick". NFL history is littered with flameouts and surprises but statistically speaking you will need to use either 1st or 2nd Rd pick to get your QB. A third path is the reclamation project which is what the Cardinals did with Carson Palmer. I think we have to be bold and patient. Bold as in the proposal as Stinger said in his proposed trade for Connor Cook. I like the aggressiveness there but I just don't like Cook. Denver was bold when they went after Peyton Manning and still had Osweiller in the fold. That wasn't a slam dunk either given his recovery from his neck surgery. The patient part requires keeping Cutler around because with a good defense we can win games with him. Once we confirm we have a better option on the roster I'm good with moving on. Maybe locals can keep an eye on this kid: http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/18/pr...-deshone-kizer/ I expect Lasike back on the 53 once things get better but there are just so many injuries right now that we have to go in this direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Barkley is not the answer. If you like short/medium throws and 8 defenders in the box we might as well stick with Hoyer. It is really disappointing that Shaw broke his leg because he looked like a good backup QB for us, and if he had potential to be more we'd be getting a chance to see that now. IMO finding a QB requires one of two things: a) Luck (not necessarily Andrew but that'd be a good answer). Throwing a lot of darts at the board which is what Seattle did in Pete Carroll's first two seasons. Then the luck portion paid off with Russell Wilson. For all their genius is finding Wilson they are the same organization that traded a 3rd Rd pick for Charlie Whitehurst, started Tarvaris Jackson, and said this: "Seattle's front office later stated they had already picked up a potential franchise quarterback in the draft by acquiring Whitehurst with the 2011 pick". NFL history is littered with flameouts and surprises but statistically speaking you will need to use either 1st or 2nd Rd pick to get your QB. A third path is the reclamation project which is what the Cardinals did with Carson Palmer. I think we have to be bold and patient. Bold as in the proposal as Stinger said in his proposed trade for Connor Cook. I like the aggressiveness there but I just don't like Cook. Denver was bold when they went after Peyton Manning and still had Osweiller in the fold. That wasn't a slam dunk either given his recovery from his neck surgery. The patient part requires keeping Cutler around because with a good defense we can win games with him. Once we confirm we have a better option on the roster I'm good with moving on. Maybe locals can keep an eye on this kid: http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/18/pr...-deshone-kizer/ I expect Lasike back on the 53 once things get better but there are just so many injuries right now that we have to go in this direction. Hold on a minute. So you're proposing that IF we had a good defense that maybe, just maybe Cutler might produce better? Lest I remind you that we had relatively strong defenses in 2006, 2010 and 2012 and mediocre (or less than) QBs each year (Grossman and Cutler). Two of those times; '10 and '12 were times Cutler was playing. The first time (2010) he quit midway through the NFC championship game game and the second time ended up in the firing of Lovie. - side note: where would we be now had they not fired Lovie? Hmmm.... I can't believe for one minute with the history he has shown and the apparent acumen for the game of football you have that you think he's better than he is...or could be. As the recently departed Dennis Green might say: 'he's who we thought he is. If you want to crown his ass, go ahead!' In another thought. What would anyone think of the Bears trying to engineer a trade for one of the young QBs at Denver? Paxton Lynch appears to have some NFL pedigree and surprisingly Simiean looks to be legitmate as well. Besides the. Fact that he's not only a seventh round pick but now has some NFL experience behind him. Sure the same argument could be made about needing a strong defense (like he does now in Denver) but he's younger and would be a part of the rebuild rather than come in new from the college ranks. Plus doesn't he already have familiarity with Fox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Hold on a minute. So you're proposing that IF we had a good defense that maybe, just maybe Cutler might produce better? Lest I remind you that we had relatively strong defenses in 2006, 2010 and 2012 and mediocre (or less than) QBs each year (Grossman and Cutler). Two of those times; '10 and '12 were times Cutler was playing. The first time (2010) he quit midway through the NFC championship game game and the second time ended up in the firing of Lovie. - side note: where would we be now had they not fired Lovie? Hmmm.... I can't believe for one minute with the history he has shown and the apparent acumen for the game of football you have that you think he's better than he is...or could be. As the recently departed Dennis Green might say: 'he's who we thought he is. If you want to crown his ass, go ahead!' In another thought. What would anyone think of the Bears trying to engineer a trade for one of the young QBs at Denver? Paxton Lynch appears to have some NFL pedigree and surprisingly Simiean looks to be legitmate as well. Besides the. Fact that he's not only a seventh round pick but now has some NFL experience behind him. Sure the same argument could be made about needing a strong defense (like he does now in Denver) but he's younger and would be a part of the rebuild rather than come in new from the college ranks. Plus doesn't he already have familiarity with Fox? And once again you forget cutler didn't quit in the NFC championship game. If you recall correctly it was also said that if we had win that game Jay would have been very questionable to play. But of course many already have there own narrative for him and they simple ignore all other things that don't fit that narrative. This is what drives me insane. Fine I get it you hate. Don't care but let's not lie about it either and become another Stephen a Smith. Where he calls him the worst qb in the league. This is what I meant the other day. The fans here treat anyone who is a starting qb here at the time like absolute garbage. And then all the media bs as well. Why in the world would any quarterback want to come here unless they either had no choice because we drafted them or they were desperate for a pay check. I'm a die-hard fan and I've stepped back and watched how the fans and media have treated the #1 guy and it makes me sick. Doesn't matter who that #1 guy is either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted September 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 I think you're generally right. I have been a defender of Cutler...Alaska and I had many an argument over it. But, I just think it's time to call it... Let's also be honest in that since Jim McMahon...our #1 guys have left much to be desired all the while GB keeps getting one after another. Blame who is drafting. Not the fans who have to suffer through those bad decisions... Trying to be as objective as possible...Cutler is average. He looks great, then looks awful. That won't cut it. Since 2009, he's had a chance to deliver the goods. That's almost 7 years. I think that's enough of a chance... And once again you forget cutler didn't quit in the NFC championship game. If you recall correctly it was also said that if we had win that game Jay would have been very questionable to play. But of course many already have there own narrative for him and they simple ignore all other things that don't fit that narrative. This is what drives me insane. Fine I get it you hate. Don't care but let's not lie about it either and become another Stephen a Smith. Where he calls him the worst qb in the league. This is what I meant the other day. The fans here treat anyone who is a starting qb here at the time like absolute garbage. And then all the media bs as well. Why in the world would any quarterback want to come here unless they either had no choice because we drafted them or they were desperate for a pay check. I'm a die-hard fan and I've stepped back and watched how the fans and media have treated the #1 guy and it makes me sick. Doesn't matter who that #1 guy is either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 I think you're generally right. I have been a defender of Cutler...Alaska and I had many an argument over it. But, I just think it's time to call it... Let's also be honest in that since Jim McMahon...our #1 guys have left much to be desired all the while GB keeps getting one after another. Blame who is drafting. Not the fans who have to suffer through those bad decisions... Trying to be as objective as possible...Cutler is average. He looks great, then looks awful. That won't cut it. Since 2009, he's had a chance to deliver the goods. That's almost 7 years. I think that's enough of a chance... GB isn't getting one after another after another. They got lucky having farve to Rodgers. Even there own front office people from that draft will even say they never even wanted Rodgers but they felt forced into it because of how far he fell in that draft. They even tried to trade out of it with no luck. I know it feels like that's all GB does is turnover another great QB after another all the time. Take at NFL history. You can count on 1 hand how many teams have gone from 1 HOF QB to another with no down time. Now look at how many times it's happened 3 times in a row. ZERO times. So history tells me when Rodgers hangs it up GB will be bad for awhile. Even my packers friends and family acknowledge that. I very much blame this whole organization for not being able to find and develop any franchise QB's. But I blame the fans and media over the last 15+ years that we don't even give them time before we crush them. Much more the media. Even my dad who hates the bears especially cutler has said the criticism is way over the top. Ever notice if a qb in there 1st couple games doesn't come out and set the world on fire they will ridicule, make up stories til that person is run out of town. Even then it doesn't stop for awhile. Maybe this is because 3 hrs north in GB thry have had a franchise guy since 92 and our front office can't seem to find 1 guy. I hope im making sense. Not surprised if I'm not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 GB isn't getting one after another after another. They got lucky having farve to Rodgers. Even there own front office people from that draft will even say they never even wanted Rodgers but they felt forced into it because of how far he fell in that draft. They even tried to trade out of it with no luck. I know it feels like that's all GB does is turnover another great QB after another all the time. Take at NFL history. You can count on 1 hand how many teams have gone from 1 HOF QB to another with no down time. Now look at how many times it's happened 3 times in a row. ZERO times. So history tells me when Rodgers hangs it up GB will be bad for awhile. Even my packers friends and family acknowledge that. I very much blame this whole organization for not being able to find and develop any franchise QB's. But I blame the fans and media over the last 15+ years that we don't even give them time before we crush them. Much more the media. Even my dad who hates the bears especially cutler has said the criticism is way over the top. Ever notice if a qb in there 1st couple games doesn't come out and set the world on fire they will ridicule, make up stories til that person is run out of town. Even then it doesn't stop for awhile. Maybe this is because 3 hrs north in GB thry have had a franchise guy since 92 and our front office can't seem to find 1 guy. I hope im making sense. Not surprised if I'm not I was one of the first to praise exuberantly when Jay came to town. In fact I remember it well as it was near my bday and I was thinking what a cool 'gift' it was. I even defended him against those that questioned his toughness during that fateful championship game. He's a tough guy, I won't ever take that away from him. But it was shortly after that I started to believe the nay sayers. I saw the 'Jekyll and Hyde' of his tendencies to play lights out one game only to implode the following game. I saw him throw into double and triple coverage (knowing SOMEONE has to be open). I saw him throw an INT to that fat DT on the Bills a few years ago and very nearly to the biggest of them all, Vince Wilfork just a few days ago. I saw him help DeAngelo Hall tie the record of 4 INTs in one game and I saw him almost literally help GB win some of their games with the repeated failures in the red zone and the turnovers everywhere else. I got to a point where I thought enough was enough. Coaches have come and gone. Coordinaters and receivers too. Two constants remain. Losses and Jay Cutler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 I was one of the first to praise exuberantly when Jay came to town. In fact I remember it well as it was near my bday and I was thinking what a cool 'gift' it was. I even defended him against those that questioned his toughness during that fateful championship game. He's a tough guy, I won't ever take that away from him. But it was shortly after that I started to believe the nay sayers. I saw the 'Jekyll and Hyde' of his tendencies to play lights out one game only to implode the following game. I saw him throw into double and triple coverage (knowing SOMEONE has to be open). I saw him throw an INT to that fat DT on the Bills a few years ago and very nearly to the biggest of them all, Vince Wilfork just a few days ago. I saw him help DeAngelo Hall tie the record of 4 INTs in one game and I saw him almost literally help GB win some of their games with the repeated failures in the red zone and the turnovers everywhere else. I got to a point where I thought enough was enough. Coaches have come and gone. Coordinaters and receivers too. Two constants remain. Losses and Jay Cutler. And I totally get all that. I to agree enough is enough. I'm not calling any one specific person out. I'm talking more in general what majority of fans and what I've witnessed our media do. It's almost as if who ever is at the helm isn't even allowed to make a single mistake otherwise they to will be destroyed until they leave town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted September 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 They have been lucky...or sold their souls as I suspect...but they also do draft QB's on a regular basis...I think Matt Flynn and others. One can only hope they don't luck into another HOF QB... I agree on the organization, but I really don't care what the fans do. These guys are paid a boat ton of loot to perform. And if they can't hand;e the moaning form the peanut gallery, they aren't worthy of the job. You know what shuts up the peanut gallery? Good performance. Cutler has been divisive since day one. Ask any Bronco fan that was happy to see him go. Yes, Chicago (as a media and fan base) has been tough on guys... McMahon - no Tomczak - yes Flutie - yes Harbaugh - yes Steve Walsh - not so much Erik Kramer - not so much Dave Krieg - yes Rick Mirer - yes McNown - yes Jim Miller - no Kordell - yes Chris Chandler - yes Gorssman - yes Orton - yes and no Cutler - yes From Jimmy Mac to Cutler, only Walsh, Kramer, Miller and somewhat Orton didn't get the full court press of negativity. Surprisingly, they are also the only ones in the group that did anything. We bitch and moan because there's reason to... You did definitely make sense...but Cutler brings a lot of that on himself. For a while, I liked it. The rebel! Root for the guy getting the short end of the stick in the media (especially national)... But, sadly the nay-sayers have been right all along. It's not that he's pouty. It's not that he's not tough. It's not that he's not a great leader. It's that he keeps turning the ball over and making mistakes. For every good game, he has a bad. You need to win at minimum three games in a row against good to great opponents to win the SB. I'm sure Cutler has even put together 3 wins in a row against fair opponents... I get it your point, and I was pretty much there with you. But, at year 7...I think the nay sayers are right. GB isn't getting one after another after another. They got lucky having farve to Rodgers. Even there own front office people from that draft will even say they never even wanted Rodgers but they felt forced into it because of how far he fell in that draft. They even tried to trade out of it with no luck. I know it feels like that's all GB does is turnover another great QB after another all the time. Take at NFL history. You can count on 1 hand how many teams have gone from 1 HOF QB to another with no down time. Now look at how many times it's happened 3 times in a row. ZERO times. So history tells me when Rodgers hangs it up GB will be bad for awhile. Even my packers friends and family acknowledge that. I very much blame this whole organization for not being able to find and develop any franchise QB's. But I blame the fans and media over the last 15+ years that we don't even give them time before we crush them. Much more the media. Even my dad who hates the bears especially cutler has said the criticism is way over the top. Ever notice if a qb in there 1st couple games doesn't come out and set the world on fire they will ridicule, make up stories til that person is run out of town. Even then it doesn't stop for awhile. Maybe this is because 3 hrs north in GB thry have had a franchise guy since 92 and our front office can't seem to find 1 guy. I hope im making sense. Not surprised if I'm not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 They have been lucky...or sold their souls as I suspect...but they also do draft QB's on a regular basis...I think Matt Flynn and others. One can only hope they don't luck into another HOF QB... I agree on the organization, but I really don't care what the fans do. These guys are paid a boat ton of loot to perform. And if they can't hand;e the moaning form the peanut gallery, they aren't worthy of the job. You know what shuts up the peanut gallery? Good performance. Cutler has been divisive since day one. Ask any Bronco fan that was happy to see him go. Yes, Chicago (as a media and fan base) has been tough on guys... McMahon - no Tomczak - yes Flutie - yes Harbaugh - yes Steve Walsh - not so much Erik Kramer - not so much Dave Krieg - yes Rick Mirer - yes McNown - yes Jim Miller - no Kordell - yes Chris Chandler - yes Gorssman - yes Orton - yes and no Cutler - yes From Jimmy Mac to Cutler, only Walsh, Kramer, Miller and somewhat Orton didn't get the full court press of negativity. Surprisingly, they are also the only ones in the group that did anything. We bitch and moan because there's reason to... You did definitely make sense...but Cutler brings a lot of that on himself. For a while, I liked it. The rebel! Root for the guy getting the short end of the stick in the media (especially national)... But, sadly the nay-sayers have been right all along. It's not that he's pouty. It's not that he's not tough. It's not that he's not a great leader. It's that he keeps turning the ball over and making mistakes. For every good game, he has a bad. You need to win at minimum three games in a row against good to great opponents to win the SB. I'm sure Cutler has even put together 3 wins in a row against fair opponents... I get it your point, and I was pretty much there with you. But, at year 7...I think the nay sayers are right. Ok so you just made my point for me. Jim Miller was the last dude the media didn't go out of there way to try and destroy. That goes back along time especially in the NFL. Combine that with the fact this organization can't ever find a franchise QB in most of our lifetimes and you see what I'm Saying. Why would a qb even want to come here if they had a choice. It's extremely sad but totally true. Don't get me wrong Jay absolutely is at fault because it's like half the time he can't even get out of his own way. I do wonder how much of that is to blame on Angelo and company for going out and getting him but not doing enough to put the talent around him to help him succeed. Between bad olines and dreadful WRs which I remember we all bitched about. But that's also something we will never know. I really do want him fine at end of the yr and we draft a replacement high and then actually help develop his ass. That's something I haven't seen this organization do in how long? I let the older guys answer that as I admit I don't remember back into the 70s and years prior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted September 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 I'm sorry...but I just don't think it matters how the public responds. Any QB that is worth anything would look at this job as an opportunity. If you're good, you'll kick ass and be the best the Bears ever had. And not many have a choice...you go where you're drafted barring the rare exception of a Eli or Bosa...and he's in SD. Will we land another good FA? Yeah. Money talks. We aren't bringing in young talent and we seem to not be able to develop anyone no matter the regime since Ditka/Ryan... Maybe a Small amount from Smith...or were Url, Mike Brown et al just badasses? Ok so you just made my point for me. Jim Miller was the last dude the media didn't go out of there way to try and destroy. That goes back along time especially in the NFL. Combine that with the fact this organization can't ever find a franchise QB in most of our lifetimes and you see what I'm Saying. Why would a qb even want to come here if they had a choice. It's extremely sad but totally true. Don't get me wrong Jay absolutely is at fault because it's like half the time he can't even get out of his own way. I do wonder how much of that is to blame on Angelo and company for going out and getting him but not doing enough to put the talent around him to help him succeed. Between bad olines and dreadful WRs which I remember we all bitched about. But that's also something we will never know. I really do want him fine at end of the yr and we draft a replacement high and then actually help develop his ass. That's something I haven't seen this organization do in how long? I let the older guys answer that as I admit I don't remember back into the 70s and years prior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 GB isn't getting one after another after another. They got lucky having farve to Rodgers. Even there own front office people from that draft will even say they never even wanted Rodgers but they felt forced into it because of how far he fell in that draft. They even tried to trade out of it with no luck. I know it feels like that's all GB does is turnover another great QB after another all the time. Take at NFL history. You can count on 1 hand how many teams have gone from 1 HOF QB to another with no down time. Now look at how many times it's happened 3 times in a row. ZERO times. So history tells me when Rodgers hangs it up GB will be bad for awhile. Even my packers friends and family acknowledge that. I very much blame this whole organization for not being able to find and develop any franchise QB's. But I blame the fans and media over the last 15+ years that we don't even give them time before we crush them. Much more the media. Even my dad who hates the bears especially cutler has said the criticism is way over the top. Ever notice if a qb in there 1st couple games doesn't come out and set the world on fire they will ridicule, make up stories til that person is run out of town. Even then it doesn't stop for awhile. Maybe this is because 3 hrs north in GB thry have had a franchise guy since 92 and our front office can't seem to find 1 guy. I hope im making sense. Not surprised if I'm not Before Rodgers and during the prime of Favre, the Packers drafted Aaron Brooks in the 4th round in 1999, who they traded to NO, and Matt Hasselback in the 6th round in 1998, who they traded to Seattle. They also drafted Mark Brunell in the 5th round in 1993 and traded him to the Jaguars. In all three cases, they received back more than the picks they initially gave up. We have to start draft quarterback every few years, and we have to do it competently. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Ok so you just made my point for me. Jim Miller was the last dude the media didn't go out of there way to try and destroy. That goes back along time especially in the NFL. Combine that with the fact this organization can't ever find a franchise QB in most of our lifetimes and you see what I'm Saying. Why would a qb even want to come here if they had a choice. It's extremely sad but totally true. Don't get me wrong Jay absolutely is at fault because it's like half the time he can't even get out of his own way. I do wonder how much of that is to blame on Angelo and company for going out and getting him but not doing enough to put the talent around him to help him succeed. Between bad olines and dreadful WRs which I remember we all bitched about. But that's also something we will never know. I really do want him fine at end of the yr and we draft a replacement high and then actually help develop his ass. That's something I haven't seen this organization do in how long? I let the older guys answer that as I admit I don't remember back into the 70s and years prior. More than anything, we made a huge investment in a franchise QB and gave him a million coordinators and invested minimal resources into the talent pool (until Emery got here and at that point, we did clearly make some investments) around him. Bottom line though, zero continuity and poor weapons. Cutler deserves plenty of blame too and this is all in hindsight (and none of us truly know what the outcome could have been), but I can't think there would be many QB's who would have excelled given the same circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Before Rodgers and during the prime of Favre, the Packers drafted Aaron Brooks in the 4th round in 1999, who they traded to NO, and Matt Hasselback in the 6th round in 1998, who they traded to Seattle. They also drafted Mark Brunell in the 5th round in 1993 and traded him to the Jaguars. In all three cases, they received back more than the picks they initially gave up. We have to start draft quarterback every few years, and we have to do it competently. Peace One thing going that route is having the right personnel to develop and not give up on them. GMs/HCs have troube drafting those players unless they have established success to take those risks. Today I am all for drafting QB #1 since we can even establish a window of success, we turn it around before the seasons end, my thought may change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 I'm sorry...but I just don't think it matters how the public responds. Any QB that is worth anything would look at this job as an opportunity. If you're good, you'll kick ass and be the best the Bears ever had. And not many have a choice...you go where you're drafted barring the rare exception of a Eli or Bosa...and he's in SD. Will we land another good FA? Yeah. Money talks. We aren't bringing in young talent and we seem to not be able to develop anyone no matter the regime since Ditka/Ryan... Maybe a Small amount from Smith...or were Url, Mike Brown et al just badasses? Right on brother Mad! Something to consider. I believe in Fox and Fangio. Mostly because Fox has 'been there, done that'. He's made it to two SBs with less talented QBs than Jay. Well I guess one year was with Peyton BUT he did have success with a former QB known as Tebow. Even getting. As far as the playoffs with him. Now I know my slant on Cutler had been negative so what comes next may seem prejudicial. However the talent they are trying to develop, especially on the defense, is being affected (adversely) by Cutlers play. Turnovers in the redzone and turnovers for TDs will never help you defense. Especially one that is still trying to learn their way. Not to mention repeated three and outs...all together just doesn't help. Your offensive talent, with Cutler leading the way, has limited capability because of his adverse play. What's more, when he commits a turnover and looks like he could give two shits after doing it, I can't blame someone like McPhee getting upset. I don't care if he's in street clothes or not. He wears (or did) a C on his shirt because his teammates picked him for it. That's what leaders do, motivate in the face of adversity. If you were offended by what McPhee said or did, oh well. Cutler being called out by other players or coaches is nothing new. After some time as it seems to be repeated you have to wonder if there isn't something valid there. None of us here punching away at their keyboards have been in those locker rooms the last few years. All we can do is speculate. With a near perfect .500 record you can certainly see why he's being challenged for not being better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted September 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Right on brother Mad! Something to consider. I believe in Fox and Fangio. Mostly because Fox has 'been there, done that'. He's made it to two SBs with less talented QBs than Jay. Well I guess one year was with Peyton BUT he did have success with a former QB known as Tebow. Even getting. As far as the playoffs with him. Now I know my slant on Cutler had been negative so what comes next may seem prejudicial. However the talent they are trying to develop, especially on the defense, is being affected (adversely) by Cutlers play. Turnovers in the redzone and turnovers for TDs will never help you defense. Especially one that is still trying to learn their way. Not to mention repeated three and outs...all together just doesn't help. Your offensive talent, with Cutler leading the way, has limited capability because of his adverse play. What's more, when he commits a turnover and looks like he could give two shits after doing it, I can't blame someone like McPhee getting upset. I don't care if he's in street clothes or not. He wears (or did) a C on his shirt because his teammates picked him for it. That's what leaders do, motivate in the face of adversity. If you were offended by what McPhee said or did, oh well. Cutler being called out by other players or coaches is nothing new. After some time as it seems to be repeated you have to wonder if there isn't something valid there. None of us here punching away at their keyboards have been in those locker rooms the last few years. All we can do is speculate. With a near perfect .500 record you can certainly see why he's being challenged for not being better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Right on brother Mad! Something to consider. I believe in Fox and Fangio. Mostly because Fox has 'been there, done that'. He's made it to two SBs with less talented QBs than Jay. Well I guess one year was with Peyton BUT he did have success with a former QB known as Tebow. Even getting. As far as the playoffs with him. Now I know my slant on Cutler had been negative so what comes next may seem prejudicial. However the talent they are trying to develop, especially on the defense, is being affected (adversely) by Cutlers play. Turnovers in the redzone and turnovers for TDs will never help you defense. Especially one that is still trying to learn their way. Not to mention repeated three and outs...all together just doesn't help. Your offensive talent, with Cutler leading the way, has limited capability because of his adverse play. What's more, when he commits a turnover and looks like he could give two shits after doing it, I can't blame someone like McPhee getting upset. I don't care if he's in street clothes or not. He wears (or did) a C on his shirt because his teammates picked him for it. That's what leaders do, motivate in the face of adversity. If you were offended by what McPhee said or did, oh well. Cutler being called out by other players or coaches is nothing new. After some time as it seems to be repeated you have to wonder if there isn't something valid there. None of us here punching away at their keyboards have been in those locker rooms the last few years. All we can do is speculate. With a near perfect .500 record you can certainly see why he's being challenged for not being better. Wait now the defense's problem is cutler??? Now that's a huge flipping leap. That defense can't even get off the field. Even in the 1st quarter when they should be well rested. I blame cutler for a lot of things. But I will not criticism him because the defense can't get after the quarterback, can't make tackles. Gets blown up and point of attack, and all the other things. Something of which Jay has absolutely nothing to deal with. Now if we consistently saw the defense get stops and then Jay and offense goes 3 and out and it was clearly the defense was tired because of all the 3 and outs fine then maybe I'll put some blame on Jay. But go back and watch the 1st of half of that Houston game. You know that game where the offense barely even had the ball because every Texans drive was long. I'm sorry but that wasn't Jay's doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Wait now the defense's problem is cutler??? Now that's a huge flipping leap. That defense can't even get off the field. Even in the 1st quarter when they should be well rested. I blame cutler for a lot of things. But I will not criticism him because the defense can't get after the quarterback, can't make tackles. Gets blown up and point of attack, and all the other things. Something of which Jay has absolutely nothing to deal with. Now if we consistently saw the defense get stops and then Jay and offense goes 3 and out and it was clearly the defense was tired because of all the 3 and outs fine then maybe I'll put some blame on Jay. But go back and watch the 1st of half of that Houston game. You know that game where the offense barely even had the ball because every Texans drive was long. I'm sorry but that wasn't Jay's doing. Maybe Jay should have searched out McPhee during the Houston game and publicly yelled at him for not being on the field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted September 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Irrelevant to his point... Cutler made his bed here, he's got to sleep in it. If it were McMahon, no one would mind and it'd have been entertaining. Winning allows for that... Look at what Brady and Rodgers can "get away with" as being emotional leaders when they throw their hissy fits... Winning solves everything. Yup, the organization did Jay no favors. But, even on days of good protection, good D, good WR play...he's shown the propensity to make bad decisions and to turn the ball over. I've been a supporter of Jay for years... But, I've seen enough. I can't be fooled anymore by the litany of excuses, some valid some not. If it's 7 years of just bad luck then so be it. Remove the curse. He's had a chance. The contract is virtually up w/ little ramifications next year. Find a trade partner. Get something. Maybe Jay should have searched out McPhee during the Houston game and publicly yelled at him for not being on the field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Irrelevant to his point... Cutler made his bed here, he's got to sleep in it. If it were McMahon, no one would mind and it'd have been entertaining. Winning allows for that... Look at what Brady and Rodgers can "get away with" as being emotional leaders when they throw their hissy fits... Winning solves everything. Yup, the organization did Jay no favors. But, even on days of good protection, good D, good WR play...he's shown the propensity to make bad decisions and to turn the ball over. I've been a supporter of Jay for years... But, I've seen enough. I can't be fooled anymore by the litany of excuses, some valid some not. If it's 7 years of just bad luck then so be it. Remove the curse. He's had a chance. The contract is virtually up w/ little ramifications next year. Find a trade partner. Get something. I agree. It is time to move on. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Maybe Jay should have searched out McPhee during the Houston game and publicly yelled at him for not being on the field? Absolutely not. But then again that's irrelevant because Jay didn't do that. He went about his work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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