Hub Arkush

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Was watching a replay of a recent broadcast from CSN Chicago(?) where a panel (to include Arkush) were discussing some Bears news. Mostly it was about whether the Bears would win this weekend against the Colts. Anyhow a couple comments from Arkush caught my interest. I'm not as familiar with him as some of you are and was curious about what you know of him.

 

Anyhow the first comment he made was that no team should ever 'tank' a game just to do better in the draft. (Something I'd agree with wholeheartedly). He went on to say that "no team in the NFL would ever do that." And that doing so is a "disease". The second comment was a bit more intriguing. He said he has a suspicion that Pace is not really running the operation of the team as they (Fox and Pace) had indicated earlier on. That being that Pace was in charge of getting the 53 man roster assembled and Fox was in charge of the coaching staff and whatever '53' were given. Arkush believes that Fox is "running roughshod" of the team. Leading me to believe that he (Arkush) thinks Fox could be the one making a mess of things. Agree / disagree?

 

Being all this way in Alaska, I'm a bit removed from the day to day of what is the Bears and look forward to insight from those closer in. And by the by; my parents currently live in the Indy area so there's a bit of mini rivalry in place. They've been there since before the '06 Super Bowl. -ugh-

[Chitownhustla]

Was watching a replay of a recent broadcast from CSN Chicago(?) where a panel (to include Arkush) were discussing some Bears news. Mostly it was about whether the Bears would win this weekend against the Colts. Anyhow a couple comments from Arkush caught my interest. I'm not as familiar with him as some of you are and was curious about what you know of him.

 

Anyhow the first comment he made was that no team should ever 'tank' a game just to do better in the draft. (Something I'd agree with wholeheartedly). He went on to say that "no team in the NFL would ever do that." And that doing so is a "disease". The second comment was a bit more intriguing. He said he has a suspicion that Pace is not really running the operation of the team as they (Fox and Pace) had indicated earlier on. That being that Pace was in charge of getting the 53 man roster assembled and Fox was in charge of the coaching staff and whatever '53' were given. Arkush believes that Fox is "running roughshod" of the team. Leading me to believe that he (Arkush) thinks Fox could be the one making a mess of things. Agree / disagree?

 

Being all this way in Alaska, I'm a bit removed from the day to day of what is the Bears and look forward to insight from those closer in. And by the by; my parents currently live in the Indy area so there's a bit of mini rivalry in place. They've been there since before the '06 Super Bowl. -ugh-

 

 

I think Bernstein on the score says the same thing. One of his contacts at the Bears says Fox is running the show

[AZ54]

I think Bernstein on the score says the same thing. One of his contacts at the Bears says Fox is running the show

 

Pace is running the show although I entirely agree that Fox has control over who plays/doesn't play. That is as it should be IMO. This is just reporters starting a storyline to get Fox on the hot seat. I say we keep rolling with the youngsters and it will pay off. I know I'm one of very few that were impressed by our young players last week on both sides of the ball. There's a foundation of good players building on this roster. Plus we have a couple in storage that could become good players with RRH at the top of my list.

 

Everyone wants to say that these guys should be playing well already if they are good. I'm old enough to remember a lot of good players not doing so much in their first or even second season. I could start with Peyton's rookie season where he rushed for a grand total of 679 yds with a 3.5ypc but it's better to stick with the recent era.

 

Charles Tillman was disliked by a lot of Bears fans for a couple years. He was often the subject of posts here about how slow he was, how he had no quickness, couldn't really cover in man, etc. Some of that lasted into the Lovie era.

 

Urlacher did nothing in the first few games of his rookie season to make anyone think he was much more than a bust. In fact there were lots of debates about wasting the 9th overall pick on a safety converting to LB. After he was moved inside the light went on and he never looked back.

 

That's not to imply we have an Urlacher on our roster but there's a need for perspective on allowing young players room to grow and learn. If we hadn't seen positives among these young players (as we didn't with SMC early on) then I'd be much more concerned. Floyd's lack of pass rush is a concern for me that I believe can only improve if his strength improves. Jacoby Glenn's and Bryce Callahan's ability to cover WRs deep down field is not. Jordan Howard's ability to get positive yards even after contact behind the LOS? Whitehair's blocking up front after not practicing at OC all preseason? There are still positions to address, and we'll need some elite players somewhere on the roster to win a Super Bowl, but I feel we're headed in the right direction.

 

[Chitownhustla]

Pace is running the show although I entirely agree that Fox has control over who plays/doesn't play. That is as it should be IMO. This is just reporters starting a storyline to get Fox on the hot seat. I say we keep rolling with the youngsters and it will pay off. I know I'm one of very few that were impressed by our young players last week on both sides of the ball. There's a foundation of good players building on this roster. Plus we have a couple in storage that could become good players with RRH at the top of my list.

 

Everyone wants to say that these guys should be playing well already if they are good. I'm old enough to remember a lot of good players not doing so much in their first or even second season. I could start with Peyton's rookie season where he rushed for a grand total of 679 yds with a 3.5ypc but it's better to stick with the recent era.

 

Charles Tillman was disliked by a lot of Bears fans for a couple years. He was often the subject of posts here about how slow he was, how he had no quickness, couldn't really cover in man, etc. Some of that lasted into the Lovie era.

 

Urlacher did nothing in the first few games of his rookie season to make anyone think he was much more than a bust. In fact there were lots of debates about wasting the 9th overall pick on a safety converting to LB. After he was moved inside the light went on and he never looked back.

 

That's not to imply we have an Urlacher on our roster but there's a need for perspective on allowing young players room to grow and learn. If we hadn't seen positives among these young players (as we didn't with SMC early on) then I'd be much more concerned. Floyd's lack of pass rush is a concern for me that I believe can only improve if his strength improves. Jacoby Glenn's and Bryce Callahan's ability to cover WRs deep down field is not. Jordan Howard's ability to get positive yards even after contact behind the LOS? Whitehair's blocking up front after not practicing at OC all preseason? There are still positions to address, and we'll need some elite players somewhere on the roster to win a Super Bowl, but I feel we're headed in the right direction.

 

 

How do you know Pace is running the show? There are two guys pretty well connected to the Bears saying Fox is winning in the power grab at Halas Hall. I really dont care who has more power over the other as long as Ted is not mingling in football affairs. I do agree I like the direction the Bears are going. They needed to get younger and improve the overall talent as well. They have gotten younger and it seems the overall talent has gone up, if they could get healthy it would be easier see how much more talented this group is.

 

 

 

 

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Pace is running the show although I entirely agree that Fox has control over who plays/doesn't play. That is as it should be IMO. This is just reporters starting a storyline to get Fox on the hot seat. I say we keep rolling with the youngsters and it will pay off. I know I'm one of very few that were impressed by our young players last week on both sides of the ball. There's a foundation of good players building on this roster. Plus we have a couple in storage that could become good players with RRH at the top of my list.

 

Everyone wants to say that these guys should be playing well already if they are good. I'm old enough to remember a lot of good players not doing so much in their first or even second season. I could start with Peyton's rookie season where he rushed for a grand total of 679 yds with a 3.5ypc but it's better to stick with the recent era.

 

Charles Tillman was disliked by a lot of Bears fans for a couple years. He was often the subject of posts here about how slow he was, how he had no quickness, couldn't really cover in man, etc. Some of that lasted into the Lovie era.

 

Urlacher did nothing in the first few games of his rookie season to make anyone think he was much more than a bust. In fact there were lots of debates about wasting the 9th overall pick on a safety converting to LB. After he was moved inside the light went on and he never looked back.

 

That's not to imply we have an Urlacher on our roster but there's a need for perspective on allowing young players room to grow and learn. If we hadn't seen positives among these young players (as we didn't with SMC early on) then I'd be much more concerned. Floyd's lack of pass rush is a concern for me that I believe can only improve if his strength improves. Jacoby Glenn's and Bryce Callahan's ability to cover WRs deep down field is not. Jordan Howard's ability to get positive yards even after contact behind the LOS? Whitehair's blocking up front after not practicing at OC all preseason? There are still positions to address, and we'll need some elite players somewhere on the roster to win a Super Bowl, but I feel we're headed in the right direction.

 

Yeah my question was more related to whether Arkush is a realiable source when it comes to reporting on Bears football. According to Wikipedia it seems he at least has a pretty good grasp.

 

Unless I'm totally incorrect I seem to remember this was sorta how Seattle rose to prominence. They started getting younger (and less unknowns) into the team and before you know it they had one of the most dominant teams in recent history...however short their reign ma last.

 

I'm not frankly surprised that Fox may have more actual control than does Pace given the compared experience level. Fox has done more with less in the past. Traditionally it seems he's been able to do it quicker in the past but yes I do see improvement, however slight. Something to consider is their next two opponents are Indy and Jacksonville; two very winnable games. If that is the case the Bears are at .500. Not that it means a whole lot given the unfirm base were working with. But, I suspect in the next few weeks we'll see Trevathan return and quite possibly McPhee(?). Those two additions could significantly help an improving D. And as far as I'm concerned the offense is in better shape if Hoyer is running it. Hoyer could be Fox's newest version of Delhomme.

[Stinger226]

Yeah my question was more related to whether Arkush is a realiable source when it comes to reporting on Bears football. According to Wikipedia it seems he at least has a pretty good grasp.

 

Unless I'm totally incorrect I seem to remember this was sorta how Seattle rose to prominence. They started getting younger (and less unknowns) into the team and before you know it they had one of the most dominant teams in recent history...however short their reign ma last.

 

I'm not frankly surprised that Fox may have more actual control than does Pace given the compared experience level. Fox has done more with less in the past. Traditionally it seems he's been able to do it quicker in the past but yes I do see improvement, however slight. Something to consider is their next two opponents are Indy and Jacksonville; two very winnable games. If that is the case the Bears are at .500. Not that it means a whole lot given the unfirm base were working with. But, I suspect in the next few weeks we'll see Trevathan return and quite possibly McPhee(?). Those two additions could significantly help an improving D. And as far as I'm concerned the offense is in better shape if Hoyer is running it. Hoyer could be Fox's newest version of Delhomme.

I dont always agree with Hub but he is a pretty smart guy. He for years was saying that at the end of his career Peanut should have been playing free safety, and I thought that was spot on. He totally bad mouth the Long draft choice and then later admitted his was way wrong. He is worth listening to. If you load the tune in ap on your smart phone or computer you can listen to the score all the time. Some are there I love and Bernstein is a tool, but adds lots of humor with his stuffiness.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

I dont always agree with Hub but he is a pretty smart guy. He for years was saying that at the end of his career Peanut should have been playing free safety, and I thought that was spot on. He totally bad mouth the Long draft choice and then later admitted his was way wrong. He is worth listening to. If you load the tune in ap on your smart phone or computer you can listen to the score all the time. Some are there I love and Bernstein is a tool, but adds lots of humor with his stuffiness.

Whether Hub is right our wrong, he always gives prognostic thoughts it seems so he can tell you he called that. Not sure the Fox is running the house call is completely accurate, but Pace and Fox do work closely together and having an experienced coach to lean on is not bad for a young GM. They are riding rough waters together and we knew this going in. I know I don't expect any huge turnarounds until they draft the QB of the future and then there will be growing pains. Give another draft or two and hopefully we have that QB with a great oline and defense to contend. The killer has been injuries and lack of depth.

[lemonej]

Since he was replaced/fired from the broadcast booth Hub has always been kind of a gossip spreader when it comes to the Bears and if you have ever had a chance to watch PFW and Chicago Football Now, check out the segment " The Way We Hear It", he does a lot of rumor mill stuff.

[bowlingtwig]

If hub speaks I just ignore him.