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What does everyone think is going to happen with Barkley?

 

I didn't watch the second half of the Vikings game but saw he got pulled...that seems like an ominous sign.

 

Also, watching "Lunch With Larry" and he is saying he does not see Barkley coming back and forecast Hoyer and Shaw in the mix....interesting view from a somewhat insider that he would say so blatantly he did not see Barkley in the mix.

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What does everyone think is going to happen with Barkley?

 

I didn't watch the second half of the Vikings game but saw he got pulled...that seems like an ominous sing.

 

Also, watching "Lunch With Larry" and he is saying he does not see Barkley coming back and forecast Hoyer and Shaw in the mix....interesting view from a somewhat insider that he would say so blatantly he did not see Barkley in the mix.

I am starting to think We go with Barkley and Shaw with a rookie. Hoyer doesn't turn the ball over but in the same sense he can't put points on the board at all. Barkley turns the ball over at an alarming rate but he still can move the ball and put points on the board. I'd love to see what Shaw can do. He's the big mystery at this point.

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I would of thought that Barkley would be in the mix too, but with getting benched against the Vikings, sucking the last few games and now Mayer saying so definitively he is out makes me wonder. Not that it would break my heart at this point, it is hard to imagine why he stunk so bad the last few games.

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I think he comes back as part of the mix with Shaw and Hoyer and a rookie. We haven't cut Cutler either so it's possible he reworks his deal and stays in Chicago for another year. Cutler is still our best QB option for the moment.

 

I believe Cutler's contract is such that they can cut him at any time before the season and all they would have to do is pay a $2 million dollar buy out. Restructuring his contract would most likely mean giving him more guaranteed money and I cannot see them doing that. Pace should try to trade him for something, anything, or just release him when convenient. You do not want him taking away snaps from QBs you plan on keeping on the roster.

 

Peace :dabears

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I believe Cutler's contract is such that they can cut Cutler at any time before the season and all they would have to do is pay a $2 million dollar buy out. Restructuring his contract would most likely mean giving him more guaranteed money and I cannot see them doing that. Pace should try to trade him for something, anything, or just release him when convenient. You do not want him taking away snaps from QBs you plan on keeping on the roster. Peace :dabears

 

You are correct. I was thinking they had to decide before the new NFL year (March 9), but they have until Sept 10.

 

This may be able to net us something more than a basket of dirty towels. Only need a Bridgewater like deal to happen before week 1.

 

 

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I believe Cutler's contract is such that they can cut him at any time before the season and all they would have to do is pay a $2 million dollar buy out. Restructuring his contract would most likely mean giving him more guaranteed money and I cannot see them doing that. Pace should try to trade him for something, anything, or just release him when convenient. You do not want him taking away snaps from QBs you plan on keeping on the roster.

 

Peace :dabears

Agreed. Right now I'd bring back Hoyer, Barkley and Shaw and draft someone in the 2nd or 3rd round. Let them fight it out in cam and take three on the roster into the season. Hell, we can't be any worse at QB with those guys, we pretty much know what we got with Hoyer and he can mentor the others. I DO NOT want to see Pace mortgage our future in a trade with the Pats for Jimmy G. Cutler is the example here that shows that doesn't pay off. We have to develop a QB on our own to be a successful team again.

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I honestly don't care if it's Hoyer, Barkley, or Shaw. All are just stop-gap measures until a suitable rookie can get his feet wet without destroying the team.

 

If I were forced to choose, right now I'd say Hoyer is the smart choice. He may not be able to score points, but I expect the Bears defense to be top-5 next year, potentially dominating if they hit on one or two key pieces in FA or the draft.

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If one thing is clear, Barkley is not a starter. He could be a solid backup but even that he hasn't proved. As the league got film on him, he got worse and worse. Just a turnover machine without the arm. Old Greg Gabriel was right when he kept telling people the guy probably isn't even a good backup. I'd still keep him around (at least for training camp) and let him battle it out, but I certainly would expect Hoyer to be the starter on opening day (unless we go after Jimmy G or Tony Romo or Cousins). If it is a draft pick, I presume they won't be starting day 1. Barkley absolutely shouldn't be the opening day starter (not based upon what he showed).

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I honestly don't care if it's Hoyer, Barkley, or Shaw. All are just stop-gap measures until a suitable rookie can get his feet wet without destroying the team.

 

If I were forced to choose, right now I'd say Hoyer is the smart choice. He may not be able to score points, but I expect the Bears defense to be top-5 next year, potentially dominating if they hit on one or two key pieces in FA or the draft.

We have no secondary and still a pretty non-existent pass rush (yes we got plenty of sacks and Floyd is emerging, but he is the only real guy who has shown high upside potential on the defense). Other guys are solid players and we didn't see enough of Goldman (who seems like a potential high impact guy) due to injuries. We have plenty of other solid players but still some major voids and that is really evident in the fact that we can't force any freaking turnovers. I see us a number of playmakers away from being a top 5 defense. It could happen, but it would take a pretty miraculous offseason, imo.

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We have no secondary and still a pretty non-existent pass rush (yes we got plenty of sacks and Floyd is emerging, but he is the only real guy who has shown high upside potential on the defense). Other guys are solid players and we didn't see enough of Goldman (who seems like a potential high impact guy) due to injuries. We have plenty of other solid players but still some major voids and that is really evident in the fact that we can't force any freaking turnovers. I see us a number of playmakers away from being a top 5 defense. It could happen, but it would take a pretty miraculous offseason, imo.

I have to agree completely. I am not sure how anyone can be a top 5 defense when our defenses biggest problem was they simply could never get off the field and absolutely couldn't seem to ever get any turnovers.

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You are correct. I was thinking they had to decide before the new NFL year (March 9), but they have until Sept 10.

 

This may be able to net us something more than a basket of dirty towels. Only need a Bridgewater like deal to happen before week 1.

Well that certainly helps a great deal. Allowing us to get into the draft before knowing and other teams that miss on there guy might get desperate and be willing to make that trade for him. I still wouldn't want to go into 2017 with cutler on the roster for game 1.

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We have no secondary and still a pretty non-existent pass rush (yes we got plenty of sacks and Floyd is emerging, but he is the only real guy who has shown high upside potential on the defense). Other guys are solid players and we didn't see enough of Goldman (who seems like a potential high impact guy) due to injuries. We have plenty of other solid players but still some major voids and that is really evident in the fact that we can't force any freaking turnovers. I see us a number of playmakers away from being a top 5 defense. It could happen, but it would take a pretty miraculous offseason, imo.

 

I'm anticipating a front 3 of Hicks-Goldman-Allen, so I figure that will be a pretty dominating force. And if the OLBs (McPhee, Young, Floyd) stay healthy, I figure they'll be able to cause damage. Add in the missing games from Trevathan and Freeman, and suddenly that may be the best front seven in the NFL. I honestly think the dominating performance can happen with one FA secondary FA addition, and one highly ranked rookie.

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Well that certainly helps a great deal. Allowing us to get into the draft before knowing and other teams that miss on there guy might get desperate and be willing to make that trade for him. I still wouldn't want to go into 2017 with cutler on the roster for game 1.

 

I don't advocate keeping Cutler around just saying that it is an option. Any reworked deal would not include guaranteed money. I really think at this point it is best for both parties to simply move on. Pace has to take this young roster toward the future and Cutler will not be part of that. We're 2-3 years away from competing in the playoffs.

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