AZ54 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Since the combine Solomon Thomas has quietly risen past Allen on many draft boards (Draftek, Bleacherreport, NFLnetwork, and CBS who has had him there for some time. He needs to be squarely in our sights on draft day. Right now he's my preferred pick at #3 if he's still there. I think our Dline becomes one of the best in the NFL and he's versatile enough to handle snaps at OLB, 4-3 DE, or 3-tech. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000079...-2017-nfl-draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Since the combine Solomon Thomas has quietly risen past Allen on many draft boards (Draftek, Bleacherreport, NFLnetwork, and CBS who has had him there for some time. He needs to be squarely in our sights on draft day. Right now he's my preferred pick at #3 if he's still there. I think our Dline becomes one of the best in the NFL and he's versatile enough to handle snaps at OLB, 4-3 DE, or 3-tech. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000079...-2017-nfl-draft Cleveland is still the most inept franchise I've ever seen. I'm still holding out hope that they pass on Garrett and we have a shot. I would not be shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Yeah Thomas has really been growing on me. Still kinda want Adams, but I would have zero problem with Thomas at 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Every year the draft process produces a guy who goes from really good to great, for no other reason than people harping on tape or blowing a gasket about the combine. The simple fact is, Thomas didn't produce as well as Allen, and didn't look as good as Allen. If Garrett is gone - I'm hoping Mongo is right and Cleveland screws the pooch - then the only 3-4DE that's worth the #3 pick is Allen. Otherwise, it should be a S, QB, or trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Every year the draft process produces a guy who goes from really good to great, for no other reason than people harping on tape or blowing a gasket about the combine. The simple fact is, Thomas didn't produce as well as Allen, and didn't look as good as Allen. If Garrett is gone - I'm hoping Mongo is right and Cleveland screws the pooch - then the only 3-4DE that's worth the #3 pick is Allen. Otherwise, it should be a S, QB, or trade. I can see where Thomas may end up being a Justin Smith type but from day 1, Allen will be a good player. His medicals are mute and we have had two meetings with him. If we get 8-10 sacks a year from Allen that makes him valuable enough to solidify the front 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonej Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Every year the draft process produces a guy who goes from really good to great, for no other reason than people harping on tape or blowing a gasket about the combine. The simple fact is, Thomas didn't produce as well as Allen, and didn't look as good as Allen. If Garrett is gone - I'm hoping Mongo is right and Cleveland screws the pooch - then the only 3-4DE that's worth the #3 pick is Allen. Otherwise, it should be a S, QB, or trade. Hell yeah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Every year the draft process produces a guy who goes from really good to great, for no other reason than people harping on tape or blowing a gasket about the combine. The simple fact is, Thomas didn't produce as well as Allen, and didn't look as good as Allen. If Garrett is gone - I'm hoping Mongo is right and Cleveland screws the pooch - then the only 3-4DE that's worth the #3 pick is Allen. Otherwise, it should be a S, QB, or trade. Allen 69 tackles, 33 solo, 10.5 from 15 games Thomas 61 tackles, 40 solo, 8 sacks from 13 games I can't answer as to who is better looking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Allen 69 tackles, 33 solo, 10.5 from 15 games Thomas 61 tackles, 40 solo, 8 sacks from 13 games I can't answer as to who is better looking To be honest, I would be happy with either one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Allen 69 tackles, 33 solo, 10.5 from 15 games Thomas 61 tackles, 40 solo, 8 sacks from 13 games I can't answer as to who is better looking One man missing in these comparisons is Derek Barnett. He should be in the mix as well. 56 tackles, 40 solo, 13.5 sacks.. 1 INT, 5 PD. Career: 198 tackles, 131 solo, 32 sacks, 52 TFL His numbers are just as good. If they are targeting a DE/OLB, might try damb hard to trade down. You have choices of Garrett, Allen, Thomas, and Barnett. Get the ammo to trade back up for a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Burnett is strictly an OLB. Bears could probably use an OLB, but I think another lineman is more of a need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 Allen 69 tackles, 33 solo, 10.5 from 15 games Thomas 61 tackles, 40 solo, 8 sacks from 13 games I can't answer as to who is better looking It's definitely closer than I realized in terms of stats. I admit to a SEC bias given my geography, but I watched a few Stanford games and was never wowed by Thomas. Plus, the SEC competition is just overall better, IMO. And while they may be popularity contests, Allen won a slew of awards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 It's definitely closer than I realized in terms of stats. I admit to a SEC bias given my geography, but I watched a few Stanford games and was never wowed by Thomas. Plus, the SEC competition is just overall better, IMO. And while they may be popularity contests, Allen won a slew of awards. Aren't you usually pretty adamant about Pace avoiding injury risk on early draft picks? Doesn't the 2 or 3 shoulder surgeries Allen has had and arthritis in both shoulders concern you? By the way I think the big riser in this draft is Obi Melifonwu. He's gone from 4th Rd prospect to now after the combine being talked about as a 2nd Rd pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 One man missing in these comparisons is Derek Barnett. He should be in the mix as well. 56 tackles, 40 solo, 13.5 sacks.. 1 INT, 5 PD. Career: 198 tackles, 131 solo, 32 sacks, 52 TFL His numbers are just as good. If they are targeting a DE/OLB, might try damb hard to trade down. You have choices of Garrett, Allen, Thomas, and Barnett. Get the ammo to trade back up for a QB. IMO Barnett isn't nearly as agile as either Thomas or Allen, nor do I think he can handle working inside as a 3-tech. He's a good player but I don't think he'll produce pressure in the NFL as well as he did in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Aren't you usually pretty adamant about Pace avoiding injury risk on early draft picks? Doesn't the 2 or 3 shoulder surgeries Allen has had and arthritis in both shoulders concern you? By the way I think the big riser in this draft is Obi Melifonwu. He's gone from 4th Rd prospect to now after the combine being talked about as a 2nd Rd pick. Yes. I think it has to constantly be in Pace's mind. Which is why I'm fully prepared to be upset during the first round of the draft. Allen is who I want, not who I think Pace will pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Aren't you usually pretty adamant about Pace avoiding injury risk on early draft picks? Doesn't the 2 or 3 shoulder surgeries Allen has had and arthritis in both shoulders concern you? By the way I think the big riser in this draft is Obi Melifonwu. He's gone from 4th Rd prospect to now after the combine being talked about as a 2nd Rd pick. arthritis is an inflammation issue and at a young age is different than when you get older. Im a plumber and when I had my knee surgeries in my 20s, the arthritis that set in didnt really bother me until I got in my 40s. I do not see Allen's issues with his shoulder ever affecting his play during his twenties. It is just a pain tolerance thing, and pro athletes get the best drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killakrzydav Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I don't want this guy whatsoever. Allen, while being doubled nearly every game, put up better numbers against superior competition will in and week out. My wishes are QB: Watson Dl : Garrett(obviously if he's there) or Allen S: Adams only I am starting to think I'd like a trade back if we don't go QB or DL. Pace has done a really good job filling holes and adding quality depth again this year in FA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I don't want this guy whatsoever. Allen, while being doubled nearly every game, put up better numbers against superior competition will in and week out. My wishes are QB: Watson Dl : Garrett(obviously if he's there) or Allen S: Reid only I am starting to think I'd like a trade back if we don't go QB or DL. Pace has done a really good job fooling hopes and sending quality depth again this year in FA I agree, except for the Safety. I'm guessing you were thinking of Adams or Hooker, and associated him with Eric Reid of the Niners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Can teams even afford to double team a new defensive lineman with Goldman and Hicks also in there? With their size and ability to rush the passer this defensive line is gonna be a nightmare for opposing teams if you add another stud like Thomas or Allen. I'll take the more explosive player in Thomas. IMO Thomas has the higher ceiling whereas Allen has the higher floor. I think on a line with 2 monsters like Hicks and Goldman Thomas will reach that higher ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Can teams even afford to double team a new defensive lineman with Goldman and Hicks also in there? With their size and ability to rush the passer this defensive line is gonna be a nightmare for opposing teams if you add another stud like Thomas or Allen. I'll take the more explosive player in Thomas. IMO Thomas has the higher ceiling whereas Allen has the higher floor. I think on a line with 2 monsters like Hicks and Goldman Thomas will reach that higher ceiling. I think because of their body styles, Thomas probably has more sacks but not as good against the run, where as Allen is more all around. Is 8 sacks and a stud against the run, better, or 12 sacks and less run defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thomas actually had the best rating against the run in the nation. I'm now 100% locked in on Solomon Thomas as my pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killakrzydav Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Yes, I was referring to LSU's safety. I'm not really high on OSU's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killakrzydav Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Saying that Thomas is the best run defender in the nation is a joke. Against the three teams he played last year that had a running based offensive attack they gave up 45 for 226 Oregon 39 for 169 Rice 41 for 214 Washington In this games where he's having forty chances a game I'd expect some disruption... Some TFLs... Something Lastly, if he was so "explosive" he'd have more qb hurries playing against ten teams that want to throw the ball fifty times a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Saying that Thomas is the best run defender in the nation is a joke. Against the three teams he played last year that had a running based offensive attack they gave up 45 for 226 Oregon 39 for 169 Rice 41 for 214 Washington In this games where he's having forty chances a game I'd expect some disruption... Some TFLs... Something Lastly, if he was so "explosive" he'd have more qb hurries playing against ten teams that want to throw the ball fifty times a game. I'm just going by what I read. I'm sure teams can run the ball the other direction as well so those games really don't tell me anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonej Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I'm just going by what I read. I'm sure teams can run the ball the other direction as well so those games really don't tell me anything. You are respected by me for your research, so I ask find the Stanford front 7 player/s that have transitioned well to the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 You are respected by me for your research, so I ask find the Stanford front 7 player/s that have transitioned well to the NFL. How many were as highly thought of as Thomas? I mean you can say that about a lot of guys. Verdict is still out on A'Shawn Robinson and Jarron Reed, but outside of Marcel Darius 6 years ago Bama hasn't produced a good lineman either. When's the last time Clemson, Notre Dame, or North Carolina developed an NFL QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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