Stinger226 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 The more I gain information on this draft the more I see there being a run on QBs early. With that said, if SF does not take a QB at 2, I totally see Cleveland moving up to 3 to grab Trubisky So here is the scenario: Cleveland gives us the 12th pick, #33-#67 and a fifth rounder-175 for our third spot. At 12 these players should be in play Ryan Ramczyk/OT O.J. Howard/TE Jabrill Peppers/SS Cam Robinson/OT Deshon Kizer/QB Ruben Foster/ILB Marlon Humphrey/CB or possibly one of the top 10 players drop. Of which at this time could be Allen/DE So who do we take at that spot? I would say it would be between Howard-Kizer Ramczyk( or Allen if he drops) Howard is an impact player Ramczyk would be our LT for 10 years Kizer is the QB prospect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I'd trade down pure and simple if we have the opportunity. We need warm bodies. As long as we can nail a QB in R1 or 2... The more I gain information on this draft the more I see there being a run on QBs early. With that said, if SF does not take a QB at 2, I totally see Cleveland moving up to 3 to grab Trubisky So here is the scenario: Cleveland gives us the 12th pick, #33-#67 and a fifth rounder-175 for our third spot. At 12 these players should be in play Ryan Ramczyk/OT O.J. Howard/TE Jabrill Peppers/SS Cam Robinson/OT Deshon Kizer/QB Ruben Foster/ILB Marlon Humphrey/CB or possibly one of the top 10 players drop. Of which at this time could be Allen/DE So who do we take at that spot? I would say it would be between Howard-Kizer Ramczyk( or Allen if he drops) Howard is an impact player Ramczyk would be our LT for 10 years Kizer is the QB prospect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 The more I gain information on this draft the more I see there being a run on QBs early. With that said, if SF does not take a QB at 2, I totally see Cleveland moving up to 3 to grab Trubisky So here is the scenario: Cleveland gives us the 12th pick, #33-#67 and a fifth rounder-175 for our third spot. At 12 these players should be in play Ryan Ramczyk/OT O.J. Howard/TE Jabrill Peppers/SS Cam Robinson/OT Deshon Kizer/QB Ruben Foster/ILB Marlon Humphrey/CB or possibly one of the top 10 players drop. Of which at this time could be Allen/DE So who do we take at that spot? I would say it would be between Howard-Kizer Ramczyk( or Allen if he drops) Howard is an impact player Ramczyk would be our LT for 10 years Kizer is the QB prospect I see Pace taking the first QB to be honest. If he wants a DB, he will trade down some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I see Pace taking the first QB to be honest. If he wants a DB, he will trade down some. I believe the Bears will draft an immediate impact player in Round 1 and that will not be QB. I would absolutely trade down if possible. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawhizz Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I would and I would take a QB (especially since the premise of your questions is a run on QBs), unless Jonathan Allen's medical concerns drop him down, in which case I can see an argument for him. Otherwise, you take whoever you like most between Kizer and Mahomes, Then you have plenty of 2/3/4 quality picks to address your other needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 The more I gain information on this draft the more I see there being a run on QBs early. With that said, if SF does not take a QB at 2, I totally see Cleveland moving up to 3 to grab Trubisky So here is the scenario: Cleveland gives us the 12th pick, #33-#67 and a fifth rounder-175 for our third spot. If we did that, I would look to move up into the back end of the 1st with either CLE's or our 2nd round pick and a 3rd rounder. Then I would package a 5th rounder with one of our 4th's to move back into the 3rd. That would give us 2x 1st, 1x 2nd, 2x 3rd. The other option (if we have the first pick in the 2nd round which seems like it is always traded for), is to trade down from that pick and pick up a mid-2nd and another 3rd. We would end up with 1x 1st, 2x 2nd, 3x 3rd (6 picks in first 3 rounds). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killakrzydav Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Yup. Watson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I believe the Bears will draft an immediate impact player in Round 1 and that will not be QB. I would absolutely trade down if possible. Peace It won't be long until we find out, 28 days and counting. I have a hunch they go QB if they have first choice, meaning Garrett and probably Thomas are gone. QBs are rarely immediate impact players and at some point they have to start taking risks and go for the long run.. Trading down would be great too, that would mean another team wants the QB we can take and are willing to overpay. I would support which ever direction they go, but for some reason I think he has a QB targeted and will pull the trigger if things fall right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Easy, not Howard. TE is not as big a need as multiple other positions, and this is a crazy deep TE draft. It wouldn't be smart to go TE in the 1st round, regardless of the position the Bears are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Easy, not Howard. TE is not as big a need as multiple other positions, and this is a crazy deep TE draft. It wouldn't be smart to go TE in the 1st round, regardless of the position the Bears are in. O.J. Howard will be an impact player, on a team void of a #1 until White proves himself or not, he will be a star. All making it probably he could be considered. If someone told you he would be the next Gronk, who you think that would be a good pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 I don't see an early QB run but I think there could be a few QBs taken between 10-20. That depends on any combination of trade scenarios. If Bears trade back to mid-1st then they might then go QB, I don't see us taking a QB #3 overall. Cleveland is already sitting there at #12. Houston could have a strong preference for one QB and trade up. Arizona is in there. Washington has questions surrounding Cousins long term. New Orleans sitting at #11? Teams will definitely view Cleveland as going QB at #12. If they really want one of the QBs then they may feel its best to play defense and trade up into the top 10 to get their guy. I'm not sure they'd want to go all the way up to #3 overall. What could make things interesting is that yesterday Charley Casserly said that Fournette is the 1A talent in this draft right behind Garrett. Casserly is very well connected around the league and he's a very good talent evaluator. He thinks Fournette is likely to go to Jax at #4 and teams may want to trade up ahead of them to take him. There is no way Cleveland is not taking Garrett #1. That means teams can either trade up with SF or Chi. If he's correct #3 might not be a bad spot to be in. Who might move up for Fournette? Carolina from #8, and that would be a deadly pairing with Cam's ability to run. Titans from #5; perfect compliment to an improving young QB and they have extra picks. Jets at #6 overall who seem destined for QB purgatory and might want to establish a solid running game. Chargers at #7 not sure. I"m not sure if there's at team after #10 that would want to make that big of a move for a RB. None are a big drop back for the Bears which is very attractive IMO. At #8 taking Trubisky looks a lot better but we might also have Hooker still available, Allen who I think will fall a bit, or reach a bit for Ramczyk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 I don't see an early QB run but I think there could be a few QBs taken between 10-20. That depends on any combination of trade scenarios. If Bears trade back to mid-1st then they might then go QB, I don't see us taking a QB #3 overall. Cleveland is already sitting there at #12. Houston could have a strong preference for one QB and trade up. Arizona is in there. Washington has questions surrounding Cousins long term. New Orleans sitting at #11? Teams will definitely view Cleveland as going QB at #12. If they really want one of the QBs then they may feel its best to play defense and trade up into the top 10 to get their guy. I'm not sure they'd want to go all the way up to #3 overall. What could make things interesting is that yesterday Charley Casserly said that Fournette is the 1A talent in this draft right behind Garrett. Casserly is very well connected around the league and he's a very good talent evaluator. He thinks Fournette is likely to go to Jax at #4 and teams may want to trade up ahead of them to take him. There is no way Cleveland is not taking Garrett #1. That means teams can either trade up with SF or Chi. If he's correct #3 might not be a bad spot to be in. Who might move up for Fournette? Carolina from #8, and that would be a deadly pairing with Cam's ability to run. Titans from #5; perfect compliment to an improving young QB and they have extra picks. Jets at #6 overall who seem destined for QB purgatory and might want to establish a solid running game. Chargers at #7 not sure. I"m not sure if there's at team after #10 that would want to make that big of a move for a RB. None are a big drop back for the Bears which is very attractive IMO. At #8 taking Trubisky looks a lot better but we might also have Hooker still available, Allen who I think will fall a bit, or reach a bit for Ramczyk. I totally think Jets grab a QB, they didnt add anybody WAF. There will grab a QB., Cleveland will need to get in front of them, Tenn wont trade down, they already have 2 in the first round. Anybody thinking Fournett valuable, will need to get in front of Jags, they are liking Fournette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Unless we have a gold star rating on one of the QBs, I would love to see us trade down. When your team is openly saying in the newspaper that they are rebuilding, and that it's gonna take more than just this year - theyre saying this out loud so you KNOW it's bad, then we can use all the picks we can get. An extra 2nd or 3rd is what this team really needs, unless a Hall Of Fame QB is sitting there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 I don't see an early QB run but I think there could be a few QBs taken between 10-20. That depends on any combination of trade scenarios. If Bears trade back to mid-1st then they might then go QB, I don't see us taking a QB #3 overall. Cleveland is already sitting there at #12. Houston could have a strong preference for one QB and trade up. Arizona is in there. Washington has questions surrounding Cousins long term. New Orleans sitting at #11? Teams will definitely view Cleveland as going QB at #12. If they really want one of the QBs then they may feel its best to play defense and trade up into the top 10 to get their guy. I'm not sure they'd want to go all the way up to #3 overall. What could make things interesting is that yesterday Charley Casserly said that Fournette is the 1A talent in this draft right behind Garrett. Casserly is very well connected around the league and he's a very good talent evaluator. He thinks Fournette is likely to go to Jax at #4 and teams may want to trade up ahead of them to take him. There is no way Cleveland is not taking Garrett #1. That means teams can either trade up with SF or Chi. If he's correct #3 might not be a bad spot to be in. Who might move up for Fournette? Carolina from #8, and that would be a deadly pairing with Cam's ability to run. Titans from #5; perfect compliment to an improving young QB and they have extra picks. Jets at #6 overall who seem destined for QB purgatory and might want to establish a solid running game. Chargers at #7 not sure. I"m not sure if there's at team after #10 that would want to make that big of a move for a RB. None are a big drop back for the Bears which is very attractive IMO. At #8 taking Trubisky looks a lot better but we might also have Hooker still available, Allen who I think will fall a bit, or reach a bit for Ramczyk. Trading with Carolina would almost be perfect if we want to get the QB out of the way. I doubt NYJ take QB if Adams/Hooker are there. We would have to worry about a team trading up with the Chargers to leap frog us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted April 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 Trading with Carolina would almost be perfect if we want to get the QB out of the way. I doubt NYJ take QB if Adams/Hooker are there. We would have to worry about a team trading up with the Chargers to leap frog us. I think the Jets grab a QB, the draft will tell the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50england50 Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 I think Pace is going best player available unless he can trade down. I can't see he would get a trade this year that makes it worthwhile. There are no QB's highly rated and potentially none that start day 1 so why would a team trade up when next years draft class for QB's is considered better and there may be a day 1 starter. The only draft partner could be a team like Cleveland who has too many picks this year because I would imagine to be reasonably competitive there are only so many rookies a team will have on there roster active year by year. I still think Myles Garrett, Solomon Thomas or Jonathan Allen will be the pick because another factor with taking a safety at 3 will be the draft contract. I don't know if Pace will take this into account but at 3 a safety will be 1 of the highest paid safeties in the league. I hope the owners are going to be patient and have this built right and I think Pace is doing this. This year is important for his first draft and the rookie free agents he signed in 2015. So this is a big year for White, Goldman, Grasu, Langford and Amos. 4 out of these 5 need to be starters and Landford needs to be a dominant 2nd back to Howard. If Meredith and Callaghan (at Nickel or slot corner) start then drafting 6 starters in year 1 of a 5 year rebuild means we should be competitive in hopefully year 4 if the free agents we have signed to complement the draft work out. Then in year 6 to 8 we could have a roster constructed mainly through the draft and rookie free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted April 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 I think Pace is going best player available unless he can trade down. I can't see he would get a trade this year that makes it worthwhile. There are no QB's highly rated and potentially none that start day 1 so why would a team trade up when next years draft class for QB's is considered better and there may be a day 1 starter. The only draft partner could be a team like Cleveland who has too many picks this year because I would imagine to be reasonably competitive there are only so many rookies a team will have on there roster active year by year. I still think Myles Garrett, Solomon Thomas or Jonathan Allen will be the pick because another factor with taking a safety at 3 will be the draft contract. I don't know if Pace will take this into account but at 3 a safety will be 1 of the highest paid safeties in the league. I hope the owners are going to be patient and have this built right and I think Pace is doing this. This year is important for his first draft and the rookie free agents he signed in 2015. So this is a big year for White, Goldman, Grasu, Langford and Amos. 4 out of these 5 need to be starters and Landford needs to be a dominant 2nd back to Howard. If Meredith and Callaghan (at Nickel or slot corner) start then drafting 6 starters in year 1 of a 5 year rebuild means we should be competitive in hopefully year 4 if the free agents we have signed to complement the draft work out. Then in year 6 to 8 we could have a roster constructed mainly through the draft and rookie free agents. He clearly is building through the draft and I have no problem with that, the only problem is it takes longer. His first year he still had everybody in place from the last regime in the draft room. Last year it was his guys and they had a very good draft. Whitehair, Howard, Floyd, Kwiatkoski, have all produced. Still developing from that draft are Bush, Hall, Jones-Quartey, Bullard, and Bravemen-Buannecker. That draft could end up being the best draft for the last 20 years. From his first year, he has White, Grasu, Goldman, Amos and Langford still could all be good players. IF that class can stay healthy , we will end up viewing that year a success also. This year will be critical in our development with the chance to get 3 starters picking early. We will draft a QB prospect, I personally do not think it will be early but it depends on how they view this class. If he goes BPA, that probably will not happen until the 3rd or 4th round. I would say if one of the top 4 drop to the second round, we could grab one there. I think we get a stud D player with our first pick, and that pick needs to start and contribute day one. We have a chance to grab 5 players in the first 4 rounds that could contribute from day one, and am excited to see the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50england50 Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 I was listening to ESPN Chicago I think the Waddle and Silvy show and they were talking to a college scout and they asked who should the Bears take at 3. He felt Garrett went 1 and the 49ers would take a QB leaving the Bears taking the next BPA and that was Allen who he stated was very similar and as good as Suh when he came out. Alabama doctors stated his shoulders never required treatment during the season, he didn't miss any snaps and he will be 100% fit at the draft. If this is the case I would take Allen with the 3rd then draft safety or corner in the 2nd BPA on draft board and then add QB, WR, OT and TE throughout the rest of the draft taking BPA or trading down if the trade has good value. I can see the sense in trading down in the 1st and 2nd because of the holes in our roster but we could have difference makers with these picks and it would be nice to have a couple of perennial all pros on our roster. It would be good to draft Allen and Buddha Baker with picks 1 and 2 and if they play lights out as well as our defense being reasonably injury free we could make a huge step forward to being competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted April 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 I was listening to ESPN Chicago I think the Waddle and Silvy show and they were talking to a college scout and they asked who should the Bears take at 3. He felt Garrett went 1 and the 49ers would take a QB leaving the Bears taking the next BPA and that was Allen who he stated was very similar and as good as Suh when he came out. Alabama doctors stated his shoulders never required treatment during the season, he didn't miss any snaps and he will be 100% fit at the draft. If this is the case I would take Allen with the 3rd then draft safety or corner in the 2nd BPA on draft board and then add QB, WR, OT and TE throughout the rest of the draft taking BPA or trading down if the trade has good value. I can see the sense in trading down in the 1st and 2nd because of the holes in our roster but we could have difference makers with these picks and it would be nice to have a couple of perennial all pros on our roster. It would be good to draft Allen and Buddha Baker with picks 1 and 2 and if they play lights out as well as our defense being reasonably injury free we could make a huge step forward to being competitive. I agree that at BPA your scenario would work just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted April 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 I agree that at BPA your scenario would work just fine. I have seen where Carolina may want to move ahead of the Jags to get Fournette, which may be good for us. They have two second rounders and two 6th rounders. So would you trade down 6 spots and get 8, they would have to throw in #40 pick-#98 and #147 to work out on the trade value chart. players that should be there at 8 will be O.J. Howard, Lattimore, Hooker,Ruben Foster players that are valued around # 40 are Cris Wromley/5T-Budda Baker/SS-TreD White/CB and Mahomes players that are valued around #98 are Rasul Douglas/CB-Demarcus Walker/5T-Brad Kaaya/QB and Taywan Taylor/WR players that are valued around #147 are Michael Roberts/TE-Peterman/QB-Corn Elder/CB-Josh Reynolds/WR and Ryan Glasglow/5T so would you make that trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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