This

[jason]

This is how I feel.

http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/02/b...s-5-weeks-late/

 

 

[madlithuanian]

Agreed...

 

Realistically, you could make the more conservative argument that it should have happened before the PIT game. ATL, Glennon was fair to ok. Then, TB awful.

 

This is how I feel.

http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/02/b...s-5-weeks-late/

 

[Lucky Luciano]

This is how I feel.

http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/02/b...s-5-weeks-late/

i'm sorry but that is not even realistic.

 

they picked up glennon as a stop gap qb or maybe a dark horse who with more time could be a 'good' qb and had targeted a qb in the draft. in my opinion it was a smart move even if the cost was salary wise high. it gave us in theory time to groom a young qb to compete in the nfl when we filled out our offense in the draft which included offensive lineman.

 

it also gave us a possible 'good' qb as trade bait for future picks. there is no possible way you would not have started glennon for at least the time involved he started for us. it would have been stupid to not even give him a shot at starting.

 

did it turn out? NO it did not. i don't think anyone could have perceived glennon being this bad. the decisions were sound but the results turned out not as expected. so it goes.

 

[BearFan PHX]

i'm sorry but that is not even realistic.

 

they picked up glennon as a stop gap qb or maybe a dark horse who with more time could be a 'good' qb and had targeted a qb in the draft. in my opinion it was a smart move even if the cost was salary wise high. it gave us in theory time to groom a young qb to compete in the nfl when we filled out our offense in the draft which included offensive lineman.

 

it also gave us a possible 'good' qb as trade bait for future picks. there is no possible way you would not have started glennon for at least the time involved he started for us. it would have been stupid to not even give him a shot at starting.

 

did it turn out? NO it did not. i don't think anyone could have perceived glennon being this bad. the decisions were sound but the results turned out not as expected. so it goes.

 

this is how I see it too.

 

people think that a GM should have a 100% success rate. It's just not realistic. World championship poker players win year after year by winning more than they lose, but they lose PLENTY of hands.

 

I see this kind of thinking in the corporate world. It goes something like this:

 

The best investment is to kidnap a stock broker and his family, tie them up in a warehouse in NJ, and then shoot one of the kids to make sure everyone knows we are serious. Then you put the gun to the brokers head and DEMAND the price of Google stock 2 months from now.

 

That's what suffices for "you failed fire him!" logic. Pace is doing well. He won't win every battle. I am confident he didnt promise anyone that Trubisky WOULD be a hall of fame QB. What Pace did was simply to evaluate the risks and outcomes and try to make a winning play.

 

If Pace for example thought Trubisky has a 70% chance of becoming a real franchise QB on the level of Drew Brees, then he pulls the trigger. It doesnt mean he KNOWS he is right, it means it's the right move to make.

 

ANything beyond that, while common in sports debates, relies on superstition and reactive thinking.

[Lucky Luciano]

this is how I see it too.

 

people think that a GM should have a 100% success rate. It's just not realistic. World championship poker players win year after year by winning more than they lose, but they lose PLENTY of hands.

 

I see this kind of thinking in the corporate world. It goes something like this:

 

The best investment is to kidnap a stock broker and his family, tie them up in a warehouse in NJ, and then shoot one of the kids to make sure everyone knows we are serious. Then you put the gun to the brokers head and DEMAND the price of Google stock 2 months from now.

 

That's what suffices for "you failed fire him!" logic. Pace is doing well. He won't win every battle. I am confident he didnt promise anyone that Trubisky WOULD be a hall of fame QB. What Pace did was simply to evaluate the risks and outcomes and try to make a winning play.

 

If Pace for example thought Trubisky has a 70% chance of becoming a real franchise QB on the level of Drew Brees, then he pulls the trigger. It doesnt mean he KNOWS he is right, it means it's the right move to make.

 

ANything beyond that, while common in sports debates, relies on superstition and reactive thinking.

 

agreed. in this case, hind sight is 20/20.

 

[jason]

i'm sorry but that is not even realistic.

 

they picked up glennon as a stop gap qb or maybe a dark horse who with more time could be a 'good' qb and had targeted a qb in the draft. in my opinion it was a smart move even if the cost was salary wise high. it gave us in theory time to groom a young qb to compete in the nfl when we filled out our offense in the draft which included offensive lineman.

 

it also gave us a possible 'good' qb as trade bait for future picks. there is no possible way you would not have started glennon for at least the time involved he started for us. it would have been stupid to not even give him a shot at starting.

 

did it turn out? NO it did not. i don't think anyone could have perceived glennon being this bad. the decisions were sound but the results turned out not as expected. so it goes.

 

We disagree. It's completely realistic to start the #2 overall pick in the entire NFL draft. In fact, it happens far more often than it doesn't. Furthermore, I and others here thought he looked more composed than Glennon. Long story short, he looked like the vet and Glennon looked like a rattled newbie at times.

 

You're only looking at the positives.

 

Stop gap QB = potential hindrance for rookie QB development since he won't see the field

Stop gap QB at high $ = potential wasted money that could have been spent elsewhere on a team with many flaws

Possible good QB trade bait = "Possible" not probable

 

The simple fact is, they signed Glennon when they shouldn't have, and were essentially pigeon-holed into starting him because of a preconceived notion of which QB would be more NFL ready, and an arbitrary belief that a rookie QB would automatically be less game-ready than a veteran with far less skill.

 

Also, it's not 20/20 hindsight since many here thought the Glennon signing was poor, and the Trubisky trade up was poor, and the combination of the two was stupid. That was real-time feedback.

[Lucky Luciano]

We disagree. It's completely realistic to start the #2 overall pick in the entire NFL draft. In fact, it happens far more often than it doesn't. Furthermore, I and others here thought he looked more composed than Glennon. Long story short, he looked like the vet and Glennon looked like a rattled newbie at times.

 

You're only looking at the positives.

 

Stop gap QB = potential hindrance for rookie QB development since he won't see the field

Stop gap QB at high $ = potential wasted money that could have been spent elsewhere on a team with many flaws

Possible good QB trade bait = "Possible" not probable

 

The simple fact is, they signed Glennon when they shouldn't have, and were essentially pigeon-holed into starting him because of a preconceived notion of which QB would be more NFL ready, and an arbitrary belief that a rookie QB would automatically be less game-ready than a veteran with far less skill.

 

Also, it's not 20/20 hindsight since many here thought the Glennon signing was poor, and the Trubisky trade up was poor, and the combination of the two was stupid. That was real-time feedback.

 

how is a stop gap player a hindrance to any rookie and especially a qb? it limits his learning the system by trial of fire? i don't believe that at all. in complex positions like qb, LT wr and cb these are skills that take time to adjust to in the nfl because the the vast gap in player quality and speed between college or semi pro and the nfl. limited action, watching the game from the sidelines and viewing game film has to be a plus in the mental aspects of this sport.

 

you also assume that the player the bears coveted in the draft, qb, was actually going to be there when the bears picked. if they targeted one specific qb and he was gone then what? what if you had to draft a player who really needed a year or even two to become acclimated to the nfl? or what if that qb was destined to be an average at BEST qb in their opinion? that is one MAIN reason they chose glennon. they thought, wrongly as it turns out, that IF that player they wanted wasn't there they may have gone at a different position in the draft in round 1 or have chosen a qb who wasn't capable of their vision of the future or one who took multiple years to show his talent.

[Connorbear]

how is a stop gap player a hindrance to any rookie and especially a qb? it limits his learning the system by trial of fire? i don't believe that at all. in complex positions like qb, LT wr and cb these are skills that take time to adjust to in the nfl because the the vast gap in player quality and speed between college or semi pro and the nfl. limited action, watching the game from the sidelines and viewing game film has to be a plus in the mental aspects of this sport.

 

you also assume that the player the bears coveted in the draft, qb, was actually going to be there when the bears picked. if they targeted one specific qb and he was gone then what? what if you had to draft a player who really needed a year or even two to become acclimated to the nfl? or what if that qb was destined to be an average at BEST qb in their opinion? that is one MAIN reason they chose glennon. they thought, wrongly as it turns out, that IF that player they wanted wasn't there they may have gone at a different position in the draft in round 1 or have chosen a qb who wasn't capable of their vision of the future or one who took multiple years to show his talent.

 

Agreed 100%.

 

Peace

[Alaskan Grizzly]

how is a stop gap player a hindrance to any rookie and especially a qb? it limits his learning the system by trial of fire? i don't believe that at all. in complex positions like qb, LT wr and cb these are skills that take time to adjust to in the nfl because the the vast gap in player quality and speed between college or semi pro and the nfl. limited action, watching the game from the sidelines and viewing game film has to be a plus in the mental aspects of this sport.

 

Except that in this case you have a pocket passer (Glennon) playing in what appears to be a zone-style offense. Without knowing what type offense he ran in TB I can only go off of what I have seen with his time in Chicago. We know Loggains (and Gase before) prefer the mobile QB zone offense because they talked about it when Cutler was with the Bears. They never really depoloyed it too much (or Cutler didn't run it right) but nevertheless, its become painfully obvious that Trubisky and Glennon right now are different style QB's. Could Trubisky some day become a pocket passer? Sure. But right now he's not. The fact that Pace and company didn't identify that sooner concerns me. Anyhow, from the looks of things it would seem they have a QB that can actually run the style of offense they want to run. After the Atlanta game it was pretty obvious to most that Glennon simply wasn't comfortable playing his part. Is that Loggains fault for not catering to his style of play? Probably, but again, at this point its too late. Time to move on.

 

you also assume that the player the bears coveted in the draft, qb, was actually going to be there when the bears picked. if they targeted one specific qb and he was gone then what? what if you had to draft a player who really needed a year or even two to become acclimated to the nfl? or what if that qb was destined to be an average at BEST qb in their opinion? that is one MAIN reason they chose glennon. they thought, wrongly as it turns out, that IF that player they wanted wasn't there they may have gone at a different position in the draft in round 1 or have chosen a qb who wasn't capable of their vision of the future or one who took multiple years to show his talent.

 

FWIW Deshaun Watson was available well after our original 3rd pick.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

This is how I feel.

http://bearswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/02/b...s-5-weeks-late/

 

Not sure I think they're five weeks late, but probably could've pulled the trigger sooner. In the Atlanta game Glennon did pretty well (all things considered) and nearly won the game. Had it not been for drops by Howard and Bellamy at the very end of the game, we would have had a different thought of him going into week two. I think against the Bucs they were wanting to see how well he would do then gauge whether they should consider moving forward. However when he turned the ball over twice in that game it should've started bells going. Maybe in week three they were worried about putting Trubisky against the Steelers? Who knows (when was it they actually declared him #2?). But by week four (last week) they really should've known things weren't going to go well. I mean of his 15 completions in the Pittsburgh game only one was to a WR.

 

[eback]

I think we were hoping for a Alex Smith in Glennon which is working out very well for KC.

 

Alex rose to the pressure and Glennon sunk. Or rather Stunk!

 

It was a good idea but wrong guy wrong time wrong team.

 

Let's hope Mitch does well

[BearFan PHX]

how is a stop gap player a hindrance to any rookie and especially a qb? it limits his learning the system by trial of fire? i don't believe that at all. in complex positions like qb, LT wr and cb these are skills that take time to adjust to in the nfl because the the vast gap in player quality and speed between college or semi pro and the nfl. limited action, watching the game from the sidelines and viewing game film has to be a plus in the mental aspects of this sport.

 

you also assume that the player the bears coveted in the draft, qb, was actually going to be there when the bears picked. if they targeted one specific qb and he was gone then what? what if you had to draft a player who really needed a year or even two to become acclimated to the nfl? or what if that qb was destined to be an average at BEST qb in their opinion? that is one MAIN reason they chose glennon. they thought, wrongly as it turns out, that IF that player they wanted wasn't there they may have gone at a different position in the draft in round 1 or have chosen a qb who wasn't capable of their vision of the future or one who took multiple years to show his talent.

 

yup

 

[jason]

how is a stop gap player a hindrance to any rookie and especially a qb? it limits his learning the system by trial of fire? i don't believe that at all. in complex positions like qb, LT wr and cb these are skills that take time to adjust to in the nfl because the the vast gap in player quality and speed between college or semi pro and the nfl. limited action, watching the game from the sidelines and viewing game film has to be a plus in the mental aspects of this sport.

 

you also assume that the player the bears coveted in the draft, qb, was actually going to be there when the bears picked. if they targeted one specific qb and he was gone then what? what if you had to draft a player who really needed a year or even two to become acclimated to the nfl? or what if that qb was destined to be an average at BEST qb in their opinion? that is one MAIN reason they chose glennon. they thought, wrongly as it turns out, that IF that player they wanted wasn't there they may have gone at a different position in the draft in round 1 or have chosen a qb who wasn't capable of their vision of the future or one who took multiple years to show his talent.

 

The stop-gap QB is a hindrance because those are games the rookie should be starting. At #2 overall, that's a player that needs to be NFL-ready week 1. If you're talking about someone late in the first round, then maybe there is a point. But the #2 overall needs to be an impact guy immediately.

 

There is no assumption. Trubisky was going to be there at #3. This has been discussed before, and none of the teams wanting to trade up for a QB could have leap-frogged the Bears to #2 without going full Ditka and trading everything. None of them. Once Cleveland didn't pick Trubisky, it was a done deal.

[BearFan PHX]

At #2 overall, that's a player that needs to be NFL-ready week 1. If you're talking about someone late in the first round, then maybe there is a point. But the #2 overall needs to be an impact guy immediately.

 

There is no assumption. Trubisky was going to be there at #3. This has been discussed before, and none of the teams wanting to trade up for a QB could have leap-frogged the Bears to #2 without going full Ditka and trading everything. None of them. Once Cleveland didn't pick Trubisky, it was a done deal.

 

You REALLY dont get it.

 

Trubisky wasnt thought to be ready, but looked to be a future franchise player. What is that worth?

 

Also we were getting trade up offers from Cleveland, so we knew what they were offering SF as well.

 

Pace decided to grab him, even though he thought he'd need a season to develop.

 

What is so hard to understand about that?

 

Being picked #2 doesnt change your experience level, and you seem to think that if he wasnt NFL starter ready then he wasnt worth #2.

 

So you just dont get it.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

You REALLY dont get it.

 

Trubisky wasnt thought to be ready, but looked to be a future franchise player. What is that worth?

 

Also we were getting trade up offers from Cleveland, so we knew what they were offering SF as well.

 

Pace decided to grab him, even though he thought he'd need a season to develop.

 

What is so hard to understand about that?

 

Being picked #2 doesnt change your experience level, and you seem to think that if he wasnt NFL starter ready then he wasnt worth #2.

 

So you just dont get it.

 

Gotta side with Jason on this one. It's pretty common practice your first round players (especially skill players and especially if they're picked in the top 5 - maybe even top 10) are expected to start almost immediately. Look at our last few 1st rounders; Floyd and White and tell me neither was expected to sit on the bench and ferment. I get that in theory a potential franchise QB might be better off sitting on the bench but really are we all so sure Trubisky is franchise QB material? What if he goes out and stinks if up worse than Glennon and we end up picking in the top 5 next year? Would you think we might need to consider looking at another your QB (something Pace has said he'd do if necessary) from a class or strong QBs?

 

Starting him now is what's right.

[jason]

You REALLY dont get it.

 

Trubisky wasnt thought to be ready, but looked to be a future franchise player. What is that worth?

 

Also we were getting trade up offers from Cleveland, so we knew what they were offering SF as well.

 

Pace decided to grab him, even though he thought he'd need a season to develop.

 

What is so hard to understand about that?

 

Being picked #2 doesnt change your experience level, and you seem to think that if he wasnt NFL starter ready then he wasnt worth #2.

 

So you just dont get it.

 

Oh, I get it. I don't think you get it.

 

It's not hard to understand what Pace was doing, but in probably every single draft in NFL history, the #2 pick should be one of the guys who is absolutely ready to go day 1. If he is not ready to go on day 1, he is not worth the #2 pick overall. The #2 pick should be someone who makes an immediate impact and drastically improves your team. Period. Granted, people can be wrong on these picks, but they should absolutely be playing. Frankly, it's ignorant to argue otherwise, and it's just not sound drafting strategy to pick a guy at #2 because you think he probably will be really good in a year, but isn't right now. The list of amazing players at #2 is staggering. It's not a sure bet, because nothing is, but the #2 pick is extremely coveted.

 

Furthermore, if the #2 guy overall has been thoroughly scouted and determined lacking enough that he needs a season to develop, then he's not worth the #2 pick. You trade DOWN to get that guy, especially if someone is allegedly trying to trade up for him.

 

Speaking of the alleged trade, I just don't see it. The Cleveland trading up thing is BS and always was.

CHI - 1.3 = 2200

 

CLE - 1.12 = 1200

CLE - 2.33 = 580

CLE - 2.52 = 380

CLE - 3.65 = 265

 

There is no way in hell Cleveland was going to forfeit their second 1st rounder, two 2nd rounders, AND something else for the #3 overall. No way. Sashi Brown is an extremely smart man, and a relative outsider to football. He could see right away that his team needed a lot more than one player, and they started stockpiling draft picks. To give up such a bounty for one pick would have been contradictory to all their draft pick accumulation. And wouldn't have helped much because the Browns still have several deficiencies, and apparently Trubisky wasn't good enough coming out of college to start on day 1. But if Cleveland WAS trading up, the Bears should have jumped all over that deal, and not doing so was stupid.

 

Last but not least, given the general uncertainty of first round QBs, it made even less sense to pick a guy the team had enough doubts about to think he wasn't ready to even play in the NFL.

[Lucky Luciano]

Oh, I get it. I don't think you get it.

 

It's not hard to understand what Pace was doing, but in probably every single draft in NFL history, the #2 pick should be one of the guys who is absolutely ready to go day 1. If he is not ready to go on day 1, he is not worth the #2 pick overall. The #2 pick should be someone who makes an immediate impact and drastically improves your team. Period. Granted, people can be wrong on these picks, but they should absolutely be playing. Frankly, it's ignorant to argue otherwise, and it's just not sound drafting strategy to pick a guy at #2 because you think he probably will be really good in a year, but isn't right now. The list of amazing players at #2 is staggering. It's not a sure bet, because nothing is, but the #2 pick is extremely coveted.

 

hmmmmmm...... just HOF quarterbacks:

 

namath drafted #1 - played in 13 games started 9 games - 14 game season

 

troy aikman drafted #1 - played in 11 games, started 11 games - 15 game season

 

Bobby Layne drafted #3 (bears) - played in 11 games, started 1 game 12 game season

 

John Elway drafted #1 - played in 11 games, started 10 games - 16 game season

 

Terry Bradshaw drafted #1 - played in 13 games, started 8 games - 14 game season

 

Bob Griese drafted #4 - played in 12 games, started 10 - 14 game season

 

Len Dawson drafted #5 - played in 3 games, started 1 - 12 game season

 

Sammy Baugh drafted #6 - played in 11 games, started 5 games - 11 game season

 

Steve Young drafted #1 - played in 5 games, started 5 games - 16 game season

 

Sid Luckman drafted #2 - played in 11 games, started 7 games - 11 game season

 

Otto Graham drafted #4 - played in 14 games, started 9 games - 14 game season

[DABEARSDABOMB]

yup

Agreed

[DABEARSDABOMB]

The stop-gap QB is a hindrance because those are games the rookie should be starting. At #2 overall, that's a player that needs to be NFL-ready week 1. If you're talking about someone late in the first round, then maybe there is a point. But the #2 overall needs to be an impact guy immediately.

 

There is no assumption. Trubisky was going to be there at #3. This has been discussed before, and none of the teams wanting to trade up for a QB could have leap-frogged the Bears to #2 without going full Ditka and trading everything. None of them. Once Cleveland didn't pick Trubisky, it was a done deal.

If we took Aaron Rodgers at #1 overall and it took him two years before he became the player he was, I would never look back and call that an awful pick. We were going to be bad and to actually become a superbowl team we needed to invest in a QB. Whether he starts week 1 or sits the entire season, the only thing that matters to his long-term value proposition (as to whether he is a good or bad pick) is whether he actually becomes a great QB. If he does, the pick is amazing and no one gives a rip whether he started week 1 or week 1 the following year.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Oh, I get it. I don't think you get it.

 

It's not hard to understand what Pace was doing, but in probably every single draft in NFL history, the #2 pick should be one of the guys who is absolutely ready to go day 1. If he is not ready to go on day 1, he is not worth the #2 pick overall. The #2 pick should be someone who makes an immediate impact and drastically improves your team. Period. Granted, people can be wrong on these picks, but they should absolutely be playing. Frankly, it's ignorant to argue otherwise, and it's just not sound drafting strategy to pick a guy at #2 because you think he probably will be really good in a year, but isn't right now. The list of amazing players at #2 is staggering. It's not a sure bet, because nothing is, but the #2 pick is extremely coveted.

 

Furthermore, if the #2 guy overall has been thoroughly scouted and determined lacking enough that he needs a season to develop, then he's not worth the #2 pick. You trade DOWN to get that guy, especially if someone is allegedly trying to trade up for him.

 

Speaking of the alleged trade, I just don't see it. The Cleveland trading up thing is BS and always was.

CHI - 1.3 = 2200

 

CLE - 1.12 = 1200

CLE - 2.33 = 580

CLE - 2.52 = 380

CLE - 3.65 = 265

 

There is no way in hell Cleveland was going to forfeit their second 1st rounder, two 2nd rounders, AND something else for the #3 overall. No way. Sashi Brown is an extremely smart man, and a relative outsider to football. He could see right away that his team needed a lot more than one player, and they started stockpiling draft picks. To give up such a bounty for one pick would have been contradictory to all their draft pick accumulation. And wouldn't have helped much because the Browns still have several deficiencies, and apparently Trubisky wasn't good enough coming out of college to start on day 1. But if Cleveland WAS trading up, the Bears should have jumped all over that deal, and not doing so was stupid.

 

Last but not least, given the general uncertainty of first round QBs, it made even less sense to pick a guy the team had enough doubts about to think he wasn't ready to even play in the NFL.

Jared Goff was the #1 pick in the NFL last year and he sat for a long time. He wasn't ready to start and if you flash forward to this year, I think there are a lot of teams who wouldn't mind having Goff.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Jared Goff was the #1 pick in the NFL last year and he sat for a long time. He wasn't ready to start and if you flash forward to this year, I think there are a lot of teams who wouldn't mind having Goff.

 

Goff started week 9 (?) after the original starter, Keenum, committed numerous turnovers in a 5 game span (where have we heard that before?) Goff was not spectacular coming out of the gate, in fact he barely threw anything over 20 yards...but got that much valued and much needed NFL experience. Difference between he and Trubisky? (Other than one year of separation between them). Goff has that 'half season' of experience, Todd Gurley and two new WR's in Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins and a new HC.

 

Will Chicago use this model to develop Trubisky? Time will tell.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Goff started week 9 (?) after the original starter, Keenum, committed numerous turnovers in a 5 game span (where have we heard that before?) Goff was not spectacular coming out of the gate, in fact he barely threw anything over 20 yards...but got that much valued and much needed NFL experience. Difference between he and Trubisky? (Other than one year of separation between them). Goff has that 'half season' of experience, Todd Gurley and two new WR's in Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins and a new HC.

 

Will Chicago use this model to develop Trubisky? Time will tell.

What do you mean time will tell? Trubisky is our starting QB on Monday. He's going to get in the action sooner then Goff ever did. You and Jason are arguing that there is some huge negative between him starting now (Week 5) vs. Week 1. It is 4 freaking weeks...I really can't see some huge miss because we waited 4 weeks before he gets his feet in. I would have said the same thing if he waited 10 weeks too or even the whole year (If Glennon was good and Trubisky sat and learned for a full year, so be it). Now I can see a QB going out too early and them not being able to recover. Look at Deshone Kizer...he is getting crushed and there is a possibility that he just wasn't ready and instead of learning from those mistakes, you lose confidence and takes steps backwards (because you just weren't prepared to succeed).

 

I liken it to promoting someone too soon to be CEO of a company. If they aren't ready, they could collapse and fail miserably and nowhere through that exercise were they able to learn / get better off. If a person had put in the time, learned and was properly prepared...even if it was a stretch, they could actually go and learn from it and eventually succeed and excel at the job.

[lemonej]

My take on all of this was the way Glennon played in the preseason continued in 3 of the 4 regular season games and when allegedly the players went to the coaching staff and asked for this change, the headline might not be to far off. Listening to the Score and AM 1000 all season there was rumblings that the players all along preferred Trubisky over Glennon and Wheaton's comments post game about not having a catch seemed to echo those sentiments.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

My take on all of this was the way Glennon played in the preseason continued in 3 of the 4 regular season games and when allegedly the players went to the coaching staff and asked for this change, the headline might not be to far off. Listening to the Score and AM 1000 all season there was rumblings that the players all along preferred Trubisky over Glennon and Wheaton's comments post game about not having a catch seemed to echo those sentiments.

 

And oddly enough Victor Cruz predicted this would happen...almost a day before it did. That might have been a 'clue' as well.

 

And my answer to the question in this article is 'yes'.

 

https://beargoggleson.com/2017/10/04/chicag...ck-victor-cruz/

[Alaskan Grizzly]

What do you mean time will tell? Trubisky is our starting QB on Monday. He's going to get in the action sooner then Goff ever did. You and Jason are arguing that there is some huge negative between him starting now (Week 5) vs. Week 1. It is 4 freaking weeks...I really can't see some huge miss because we waited 4 weeks before he gets his feet in. I would have said the same thing if he waited 10 weeks too or even the whole year (If Glennon was good and Trubisky sat and learned for a full year, so be it). Now I can see a QB going out too early and them not being able to recover. Look at Deshone Kizer...he is getting crushed and there is a possibility that he just wasn't ready and instead of learning from those mistakes, you lose confidence and takes steps backwards (because you just weren't prepared to succeed).

 

The point Jason and I agree on is that Trubisky was/is the 2nd overall pick from this year's draft and should be ready to go...now. If he wasn't ready to start on day one when would he be ready? How would anyone know he was ready until he started and actually played? He doesn't have a whole lot of game film, never mind in the NFL, but even in college to fall back on to instill confidence in anyone. Sure Pace and Fox got to see him work out individually under the cover of darkness and 'liked' what they saw but the same could be said several months earlier about Glennon and look where that got us.

 

Goff got time to wait because LA's #1 (Case Keenum) started off hot. Then after teams started studying film and whatever other factors figured in he started to suck. Goff was forced into duty based on that fall from grace. Not all that different than the situation in Chicago. Only real difference, at this point, is that Glennon sucked sooner. Goff came out and certainly didn't look like a #1 overall pick...last year. This year, different story. Do you think Trubisky will come out and 'save the franchise' in his first start? How about his second or third or even before this season ends? My guess is probably not. What he will do is give everyone (himself included) a chance to see whether he can make the change and be the difference maker our team needs. It won't happen overnight, it may not even happen this year. But we need to know now rather than later.

 

Yes DeShone Kizer may be getting 'crushed' but maybe HE wasn't ready to make the change now. Will he ever? Only time will tell. Another former first rounder, Jay Cutler, was never able to get his act together....and he had several chances to prove himself. Is Trubisky destined for that type of career? We would hope not but won't know until he plays.