Connorbear Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Is 26 of 27 on field goals since leaving the Bears. Please tell me why we replaced him with Barth? Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChileBear Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Is 26 of 27 on field goals since leaving the Bears. Please tell me why we replaced him with Barth? Peace Bcause Robbi was DONE and is. He can't do it when needed. Good decision to release him. That position is tough to fill. We will, but crap, how many teams stuggle to fill that spot? Get real. Robbi is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted October 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Bcause Robbi was DONE and is. He can't do it when needed. Good decision to release him. That position is tough to fill. We will, but crap, how many teams stuggle to fill that spot? Get real. Robbi is done. And Barth is the guy to replace him with? If you are going to replace him, replace him with a better player. Barth is not a better player. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChileBear Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 And Barth is the guy to replace him with? If you are going to replace him, replace him with a better player. Barth is not a better player. Peace NO, Barth is not the guy, obviously. How hard is it to get a solid kicker? We know its tough. Where is Robbie now? We need a kicker and what else? Much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted October 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 NO, Barth is not the guy, obviously. How hard is it to get a solid kicker? We know its tough. Where is Robbie now? We need a kicker and what else? Much more. With San Fran. 16 of 17 for the year. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChileBear Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 With San Fran. 16 of 17 for the year. Peace And San Fran has what record?????>? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Is 26 of 27 on field goals since leaving the Bears. Please tell me why we replaced him with Barth? Peace Excellent question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted October 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 And San Fran has what record?????>? That has nothing to do with it. You need to be able to count on your kicker and you cannot count on Barth. He is not a better kicker than Gould. That was my point. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChileBear Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 That has nothing to do with it. You need to be able to count on your kicker and you cannot count on Barth. He is not a better kicker than Gould. That was my point. Peace And my point is that Robbie was as done here as Cutler. I want a great kicker, you do, all Bear fans do. It is going to take time. What team do you know picks up someone right away that is a pro-bowler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Kicker is one of the hardest positions to fill. Most teams deal with same problem we do. It sucks. Unfortunately there just aren't very many very good ones that come in and a great right away. And we didn't toss Gould so we could replace him with Barth. We cut Gould because of money. Really sucks that his replacement has been horrible. Hopefully we can find a good one in the draft next yr and better yet get some real WRs on this team for trubisky to work with so the kicker won't matter. I'm thinking we are just a couple good WRs away from being a really good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Kicker is one of the hardest positions to fill. Most teams deal with same problem we do. It sucks. Unfortunately there just aren't very many very good ones that come in and a great right away. And we didn't toss Gould so we could replace him with Barth. We cut Gould because of money. Really sucks that his replacement has been horrible. Hopefully we can find a good one in the draft next yr and better yet get some real WRs on this team for trubisky to work with so the kicker won't matter. I'm thinking we are just a couple good WRs away from being a really good team. A couple of WRs and legitimate offensive guru to coach Trubisky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 A couple of WRs and legitimate offensive guru to coach Trubisky. Good point. Forgot to to include coaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 And Barth is the guy to replace him with? If you are going to replace him, replace him with a better player. Barth is not a better player. Peace What is there in the way the Bears have handled Connor Barth that makes you believe the Bears feel he is the long term solution at kicker? At the time of Gould's release he was routinely missing extra point kicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan2000 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 What is there in the way the Bears have handled Connor Barth that makes you believe the Bears feel he is the long term solution at kicker? At the time of Gould's release he was routinely missing extra point kicks. This. While admittedly, seeing Gould be consistent this year in SF it's easy to ask "why'd we release him?" But at the time we released him he had had back to back seasons where he was struggling more and more to be consistent. Perhaps he got his mojo back, but his last couple years here he wasn't right. We signed a retread in Barth as a stop gap not a future piece. I'm sure it will be something looked at in the offseason. Dependable kickers are not easy to find/come by. There are some good young ones coming into the league, like Jake Elliot, Butker, Tavecchio. Barth has been been bad and his misses have been costly as points have been hard to come by. I highly doubt the bears look at Barth as more than a fill in till we find someone better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonej Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 The bye week should be an endless line of guys in trying out. At this point someone who can make a 48 yard indoors should be the focus. last season 18 of 23 and so far this year 7 of 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I'm not going to criticize the front office on Barth. It's not like kickers just grow in trees and are a dime a dozen. If Barth is still here come 2018 then everyone in the front office deserves to be fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I hope we can pick up Santos from the Chiefs. That would be a huge upgrade. We know my feelings when we got rid of Gould. I thought moving from Gould to Barth was just an awful move. I would have been able to accept moving on from Gould (because he was looking like he was on the back-end of his career), but if you do it, take a chance on someone you think has some real upside...not a guy like Barth who is just bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I'm not going to criticize the front office on Barth. It's not like kickers just grow in trees and are a dime a dozen. If Barth is still here come 2018 then everyone in the front office deserves to be fired Would you consider him one of the bottom 3 kickers in the league? i would say without hesitation he is and he should be replaced. We are not scoring points and we cannot afford to lose any opportunity because our kicker sucks. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Giorgio Tavecchio is 10 for 12 after replacing Janikowski on the Raiders earlier this season. Harrison Butker is 13 for 14 after replacing Santos on the Chiefs earlier this season. Replacements were out there. There is no reason Barf should still be on this team. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 $$$$$ Is 26 of 27 on field goals since leaving the Bears. Please tell me why we replaced him with Barth? Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Agreed. Honestly, why is Andy Phillips not kicking for us? Giorgio Tavecchio is 10 for 12 after replacing Janikowski on the Raiders earlier this season. Harrison Butker is 13 for 14 after replacing Santos on the Chiefs earlier this season. Replacements were out there. There is no reason Barf should still be on this team. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 Hopefully we upgrade during the bye, Barth is one of the worst Kickers in the league and we can't afford to give up pts and field position with his misses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted October 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 From the Athletic (Dan Durkin): Durkin’s Den When you have a defense playing as well as the Bears' and an offense that is struggling to score points, they can’t continue rostering an unreliable kicker like Connor Barth. Barth shanked a 48-yard attempt against the Saints that could’ve made it a one-possession game heading into the half with the Bears set to receive the ball in the second half. The miss not only took points off the board, but it changed the way the team had to play down the stretch. When Tarik Cohen leapt over the line for the first rushing touchdown of his career, the score was 17-12, forcing the Bears to go for two-points, which they didn’t convert. Three possessions later, the Saints kicked a field goal of their own to make it 20-12. The Bears were once again in a two-point conversion situation just to tie the game and force overtime, rather than win it outright with a touchdown and an extra-point conversion – something Barth has done well, converting all but one since arriving in Chicago. Barth’s field goal percentage has been on the decline for four straight seasons. It currently sits at 63.6 percent (7-for-11), the lowest of his career and the third-worst in the league. From 40-49 yards, he’s converting just 40 percent of his kicks, tied with Aldrick Rosas (Giants) for the worst percentage in the league. He’s only converted three kicks of 40-plus yards (out of seven attempts), which is tied with Nick Folk for the lowest percentage in the league. Last season, Barth finished the season as the league’s sixth-worst field goal kicker, with a success rate of 78.3 percent (18-for-23) and his four successful kicks from 40-plus yards were the second-fewest in the league. He gets no lift on his kicks, his accuracy is wayward and his leg strength leaves a lot to be desired. Using Pro Football Focus (PFF) kickoff data, Barth’s average kickoff distance this season is 67.6 yards, which ranks 21st in the league out of 34 players who have at least 10 kickoffs. It should be noted, that number is an improvement from last year’s average of 64, which ranked 31st out of 34 players. This season, only 15 of his 28 kickoffs have been touchbacks and the average starting field position for opponents is the 26.5-yard line, which is the fourth-worst in the league. Thus, he’s consistently giving offenses a shorter field to work with. Add it all up and I’m struggling to understand what the appeal is with Barth. Last September, general manager Ryan Pace made the decision to part ways with veteran kicker Robbie Gould, whose performance wasn’t commensurate with his paycheck. But Barth was hardly an upgrade. Since being released by the Bears, Gould has missed just two kicks over the past two seasons, going a combined 27-for-29 for the Giants and currently the 49ers. But this isn’t a referendum on the decision to part ways with Gould. It’s a pattern with Pace of removing players and not replacing them with comparable talent. When you look around the league, the top kickers statistically could all be in Bears uniforms. Houston’s Ka’imi Fairbairn was an undrafted rookie last season out of UCLA. He’s a perfect 11-for-11 this season with a long of 50. Minnesota’s Kai Forbath was signed in-season last year and is 21-for-22 this season with nine conversions from 40-plus yards. Kansas City’s Harrison Butker was signed from the Panthers’ practice squad this year. He’s 13-for-14 with six conversions from 40-plus yards. The options were there for Pace to improve the position. Yet his only moves to “challenge” Barth were signing undrafted rookie Andy Phillips, then the curious move of claiming Roberto Aguayo, Tampa Bay’s failed second-round pick from 2016. Not only was the move curious from a performance standpoint, the Bears assumed $428,000 of guaranteed money for a player whom they ended up cutting. Back on Oct. 4, the Bears brought in Aguayo for a tryout along with Josh Lambo, who has since signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars. With a bye week at their disposal, Pace should find Barth’s replacement. Perhaps Cairo Santos, whom the Chiefs waived on Sept. 30 due to a groin injury, is now healthy enough to kick again. He recently posted a video on his Twitter account indicating that he’s feeling better. It’s clear from what’s happening around the league that kicker is one of the few positions from which street free agents can make a difference. The Bears have no margin for error. Barth has already missed four field goals this year and is giving up field position on kickoffs. He’s a liability on a team lacking weapons. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 From the Athletic (Dan Durkin): Durkin’s Den When you have a defense playing as well as the Bears' and an offense that is struggling to score points, they can’t continue rostering an unreliable kicker like Connor Barth. Barth shanked a 48-yard attempt against the Saints that could’ve made it a one-possession game heading into the half with the Bears set to receive the ball in the second half. The miss not only took points off the board, but it changed the way the team had to play down the stretch. When Tarik Cohen leapt over the line for the first rushing touchdown of his career, the score was 17-12, forcing the Bears to go for two-points, which they didn’t convert. Three possessions later, the Saints kicked a field goal of their own to make it 20-12. The Bears were once again in a two-point conversion situation just to tie the game and force overtime, rather than win it outright with a touchdown and an extra-point conversion – something Barth has done well, converting all but one since arriving in Chicago. Barth’s field goal percentage has been on the decline for four straight seasons. It currently sits at 63.6 percent (7-for-11), the lowest of his career and the third-worst in the league. From 40-49 yards, he’s converting just 40 percent of his kicks, tied with Aldrick Rosas (Giants) for the worst percentage in the league. He’s only converted three kicks of 40-plus yards (out of seven attempts), which is tied with Nick Folk for the lowest percentage in the league. Last season, Barth finished the season as the league’s sixth-worst field goal kicker, with a success rate of 78.3 percent (18-for-23) and his four successful kicks from 40-plus yards were the second-fewest in the league. He gets no lift on his kicks, his accuracy is wayward and his leg strength leaves a lot to be desired. Using Pro Football Focus (PFF) kickoff data, Barth’s average kickoff distance this season is 67.6 yards, which ranks 21st in the league out of 34 players who have at least 10 kickoffs. It should be noted, that number is an improvement from last year’s average of 64, which ranked 31st out of 34 players. This season, only 15 of his 28 kickoffs have been touchbacks and the average starting field position for opponents is the 26.5-yard line, which is the fourth-worst in the league. Thus, he’s consistently giving offenses a shorter field to work with. Add it all up and I’m struggling to understand what the appeal is with Barth. Last September, general manager Ryan Pace made the decision to part ways with veteran kicker Robbie Gould, whose performance wasn’t commensurate with his paycheck. But Barth was hardly an upgrade. Since being released by the Bears, Gould has missed just two kicks over the past two seasons, going a combined 27-for-29 for the Giants and currently the 49ers. But this isn’t a referendum on the decision to part ways with Gould. It’s a pattern with Pace of removing players and not replacing them with comparable talent. When you look around the league, the top kickers statistically could all be in Bears uniforms. Houston’s Ka’imi Fairbairn was an undrafted rookie last season out of UCLA. He’s a perfect 11-for-11 this season with a long of 50. Minnesota’s Kai Forbath was signed in-season last year and is 21-for-22 this season with nine conversions from 40-plus yards. Kansas City’s Harrison Butker was signed from the Panthers’ practice squad this year. He’s 13-for-14 with six conversions from 40-plus yards. The options were there for Pace to improve the position. Yet his only moves to “challenge” Barth were signing undrafted rookie Andy Phillips, then the curious move of claiming Roberto Aguayo, Tampa Bay’s failed second-round pick from 2016. Not only was the move curious from a performance standpoint, the Bears assumed $428,000 of guaranteed money for a player whom they ended up cutting. Back on Oct. 4, the Bears brought in Aguayo for a tryout along with Josh Lambo, who has since signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars. With a bye week at their disposal, Pace should find Barth’s replacement. Perhaps Cairo Santos, whom the Chiefs waived on Sept. 30 due to a groin injury, is now healthy enough to kick again. He recently posted a video on his Twitter account indicating that he’s feeling better. It’s clear from what’s happening around the league that kicker is one of the few positions from which street free agents can make a difference. The Bears have no margin for error. Barth has already missed four field goals this year and is giving up field position on kickoffs. He’s a liability on a team lacking weapons. Peace I'd love to see Santos brought in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan2000 Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 We literally have nothing to lose by trying out kickers over the bye. What is Santos' health status? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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