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[Chitownhustla]

You don't hire a heart specialist to perform brain surgery. You hire a brain surgeon. However, either of those 2 doctors can become the lead doctor in the hospital...

 

 

I couldn't have said it better.

[Chitownhustla]

He’s interviewed for a handful of HC positions, to include the Bears. Why not OC? He’s been in the league since 2001 and coaching since 1986. If he doesn’t work out as OC and someone like Fangio is HC, you simply send him packing wirh minimal disruption. As you may have seen Connor point out, before HC of the Bears, Mike Ditka was a ST coordinator for Dallas. As was John Harbaugh the ST coordinator for the Eagles before being hired by the Ravens.

 

[Chitownhustla]

He’s interviewed for a handful of HC positions, to include the Bears. Why not OC? He’s been in the league since 2001 and coaching since 1986. If he doesn’t work out as OC and someone like Fangio is HC, you simply send him packing wirh minimal disruption. As you may have seen Connor point out, before HC of the Bears, Mike Ditka was a ST coordinator for Dallas. As was John Harbaugh the ST coordinator for the Eagles before being hired by the Ravens.

 

 

1. Interviewing for HC positions has no bearing on if he could be a OC.

2. ST is a completely different animal, would you switch a DC to be a OC

3. Simply sending him packing with minimal disruption???? Are you shitting me???? What, you want to go down the OC trail like the Cutler Era???

4. Connor posting about ST coaches going on to win SB, Im all for Toub as a HC not an OC.

 

 

Toub has ZERO offensive coaching experience on his resume, suggesting the Bears hire him as the HEAD of the Offense is some real goofy shit. Mike Tice had years of OLINE coaching experience, the Bears gave him the OC position, how did that turn out???? Just because a guy is a good coach in one aspect doesn't mean he can be a good coach in another area.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alaskan Grizzly]

1. Interviewing for HC positions has no bearing on if he could be a OC.

2. ST is a completely different animal, would you switch a DC to be a OC

3. Simply sending him packing with minimal disruption???? Are you shitting me???? What, you want to go down the OC trail like the Cutler Era???

4. Connor posting about ST coaches going on to win SB, Im all for Toub as a HC not an OC.

 

 

Toub has ZERO offensive coaching experience on his resume, suggesting the Bears hire him as the HEAD of the Offense is some real goofy shit. Mike Tice had years of OLINE coaching experience, the Bears gave him the OC position, how did that turn out???? Just because a guy is a good coach in one aspect doesn't mean he can be a good coach in another area.

 

Your analogies, like your credibility, suck. Mike Tice was OC of one of the worst QBs in Bears history. A QB I might remind you, that you thought HOF worthy. He also had Mike Martz, who won a SB, as his OC and how well did that work out?

 

Again the question bears repeating; what makes you think he suddenly would be a good HC especially because he’s already interviewed for a HC job a handful of other times and not gotten any of them? Why not try and see if he’s any good at OC or even wants to?

 

Having him coach under Fangio (assuming Fangio would be HC) would cause minimal disruption if he didn’t work out. Yes I know you probably don’t get that but it wouldn’t mean having to replace the whole coaching staff if he sucked worse as HC.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

You don't hire a heart specialist to perform brain surgery. You hire a brain surgeon. However, either of those 2 doctors can become the lead doctor in the hospital...

 

Mad; what ‘specialty’ does Toub possess? You’re assuming he’s a heart surgeon and not a brain surgeon? In this illustration of operating rooms he currently would relate best to being an Anethesist. Do we really know where his football intelligence lies; offense or defense? History shows he has experience as a strength and special teams coach. He had one stint as a DL coach in Missouri but it appeared to be brief and he was not hired for that side of the ball since.

 

 

[Chitownhustla]

Your analogies, like your credibility, suck. Mike Tice was OC of one of the worst QBs in Bears history. A QB I might remind you, that you thought HOF worthy. He also had Mike Martz, who won a SB, as his OC and how well did that work out?

 

Again the question bears repeating; what makes you think he suddenly would be a good HC especially because he’s already interviewed for a HC job a handful of other times and not gotten any of them? Why not try and see if he’s any good at OC or even wants to?

 

Having him coach under Fangio (assuming Fangio would be HC) would cause minimal disruption if he didn’t work out. Yes I know you probably don’t get that but it wouldn’t mean having to replace the whole coaching staff if he sucked worse as HC.

 

Crediblity..... coming from a guy that wants to hire a ST Coordinator as our OC to mentor our new QB....

 

 

Never said Cutler was HOF worthy....only that you could win with him in the right situation.

 

Running Martz system with Pace as your LT and Devin Hester as your Number 1 WR = shit show not greatest show on turf but your dumbass thinks that was ALL Cutlers fault.

 

 

The Bears need to do anything they can to turn Mitch into a FRANCHISE QB, hiring a ST coach as the OC would be the dumbest thing Ive heard.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Crediblity..... coming from a guy that wants to hire a ST Coordinator as our OC to mentor our new QB....

 

Never said Cutler was HOF worthy....only that you could win with him in the right situation.

 

What type of situation? You mean like an NFC Championship type situation? How’d that go again?

 

Running Martz system with Pace as your LT and Devin Hester as your Number 1 WR = shit show not greatest show on turf but your dumbass thinks that was ALL Cutlers fault.

 

Uhm...you do know Pace was voted into the HOF last year right? And again...Martz won a SB. Remind me again what was it Cutler accomplished? I mean besides the Franchise record in turnovers. (By the way, three INTs today against TB).

 

The Bears need to do anything they can to turn Mitch into a FRANCHISE QB, hiring a ST coach as the OC would be the dumbest thing Ive heard.

 

Yeah my ideas are pretty dumb. /s

[Chitownhustla]

What type of situation? You mean like an NFC Championship type situation? How’d that go again?

 

 

 

Uhm...you do know Pace was voted into the HOF last year right? And again...Martz won a SB. Remind me again what was it Cutler accomplished? I mean besides the Franchise record in turnovers. (By the way, three INTs today against TB).

 

 

 

Yeah my ideas are pretty dumb. /s

 

Cutler got hurt in the NFC Championship, so you are going to blame Cutler for that loss?????......hey smart guy, you just proved my point, with the right situation you can win with Cutler.....They made it to the NFC Championship....

 

 

Pace signed with the Bears at the age of 56, if you watched his play that season he was washed up......Pace on Rams was a HOF caliber player.......again your argument is shit...... Cutler owns the INT Record and i think every other passing record too, but you think he was the worst Bears QB ever....again another dumb comment.......... Martz system worked with........Warner, Pace, Faulk, Holt, Bruce.......didnt work that well anywhere else...

 

 

 

We agree, your idea's are mostly dumb and every once in awhile you come up with a good one......On this idea of Toub being an OC you should probably just admit it was dumb and move on.....

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Cutler got hurt in the NFC Championship, so you are going to blame Cutler for that loss?????......hey smart guy, you just proved my point, with the right situation you can win with Cutler.....They made it to the NFC Championship....

 

 

Pace signed with the Bears at the age of 56, if you watched his play that season he was washed up......Pace on Rams was a HOF caliber player.......again your argument is shit...... Cutler owns the INT Record and i think every other passing record too, but you think he was the worst Bears QB ever....again another dumb comment.......... Martz system worked with........Warner, Pace, Faulk, Holt, Bruce.......didnt work that well anywhere else...

 

 

 

We agree, your idea's are mostly dumb and every once in awhile you come up with a good one......On this idea of Toub being an OC you should probably just admit it was dumb and move on.....

 

One thing you’ve always been good at is making excuses. That is pretty obvious. What exactly did Cutler do in that Championship game? Besides sit in the sideline? I know your reading comprehension lacks so perhaps your understanding of football does too.

 

I’ll take your advice and move on. I’m done here.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Cutler got hurt in the NFC Championship, so you are going to blame Cutler for that loss?????......hey smart guy, you just proved my point, with the right situation you can win with Cutler.....They made it to the NFC Championship....

 

 

Pace signed with the Bears at the age of 56, if you watched his play that season he was washed up......Pace on Rams was a HOF caliber player.......again your argument is shit...... Cutler owns the INT Record and i think every other passing record too, but you think he was the worst Bears QB ever....again another dumb comment.......... Martz system worked with........Warner, Pace, Faulk, Holt, Bruce.......didnt work that well anywhere else...

 

 

 

We agree, your idea's are mostly dumb and every once in awhile you come up with a good one......On this idea of Toub being an OC you should probably just admit it was dumb and move on.....

 

DP

[jason]

I'm sort of in the middle on this argument.

 

The Bears have hired more than a few "smart" guys who supposedly knew their stuff on offense.

 

Shoop was supposedly an offensive mind. It turned out he was more of a brain-damaged mind.

Crowton was an offensive super-genius, but was only good at a single thing. When the D figured it out, his novelty wore off.

Trestman was a highly regarded offensive guy for years and year, but like Crowton he was only good for one year, and couldn't lead a flock of sheep.

 

So why not go unconventional? Could it be much worse than the shit show Chicago has seen over the last two decades? At the very least we know Toub is a proven commodity on the NFL level. He is considered one of the top couple ST minds, and has shown it's not just Hester. He's been successful for nearly 15 years. To be quite honest, if he were hired when he interviewed post-Lovie, the Bears would probably be in a better position right now than they were as a result of Trestman.

[Connorbear]

I'm sort of in the middle on this argument.

 

The Bears have hired more than a few "smart" guys who supposedly knew their stuff on offense.

 

Shoop was supposedly an offensive mind. It turned out he was more of a brain-damaged mind.

Crowton was an offensive super-genius, but was only good at a single thing. When the D figured it out, his novelty wore off.

Trestman was a highly regarded offensive guy for years and year, but like Crowton he was only good for one year, and couldn't lead a flock of sheep.

 

So why not go unconventional? Could it be much worse than the shit show Chicago has seen over the last two decades? At the very least we know Toub is a proven commodity on the NFL level. He is considered one of the top couple ST minds, and has shown it's not just Hester. He's been successful for nearly 15 years. To be quite honest, if he were hired when he interviewed post-Lovie, the Bears would probably be in a better position right now than they were as a result of Trestman.

 

Agreed. I actually wanted Toub back when Lovie was canned. I think he would be a perfect choice.

 

Peace

 

[Connorbear]

Your analogies, like your credibility, suck. Mike Tice was OC of one of the worst QBs in Bears history. A QB I might remind you, that you thought HOF worthy. He also had Mike Martz, who won a SB, as his OC and how well did that work out?

 

Again the question bears repeating; what makes you think he suddenly would be a good HC especially because he’s already interviewed for a HC job a handful of other times and not gotten any of them? Why not try and see if he’s any good at OC or even wants to?

 

Having him coach under Fangio (assuming Fangio would be HC) would cause minimal disruption if he didn’t work out. Yes I know you probably don’t get that but it wouldn’t mean having to replace the whole coaching staff if he sucked worse as HC.

 

I wanted him as head coach back when Lovie was fired. He didn't suddenly become a good candidate for me.

 

Peace

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Agreed. I actually wanted Toub back when Lovie was canned. I think he would be a perfect choice.

 

Peace

We probably wouldn't have had the fiasco with thinking Rod Marinelli was going to stay to keep the D intact also. They thought he was going to stay with Trestman but the Bears shunned him by not taking Arians.

[madlithuanian]

Really?

 

Toub is a ST coach. ie. Not an offensive coach. I get it, you like Toub. I do too. As HC. Honestly thinking he could be an OC is literally Madden PS4 talk...it is not reality. Not remotely.

 

 

 

 

Mad; what ‘specialty’ does Toub possess? You’re assuming he’s a heart surgeon and not a brain surgeon? In this illustration of operating rooms he currently would relate best to being an Anethesist. Do we really know where his football intelligence lies; offense or defense? History shows he has experience as a strength and special teams coach. He had one stint as a DL coach in Missouri but it appeared to be brief and he was not hired for that side of the ball since.

 

[madlithuanian]

Right there w/ you guys. I think as HC...

 

Agreed. I actually wanted Toub back when Lovie was canned. I think he would be a perfect choice.

 

Peace

 

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Really?

 

Toub is a ST coach. ie. Not an offensive coach. I get it, you like Toub. I do too. As HC. Honestly thinking he could be an OC is literally Madden PS4 talk...it is not reality. Not remotely.

 

It’s like “PS4 talk”? How so? Please elaborate. What makes you so sure he’d succeed as an HC moreso than an OC?

 

Having someone like Fangio stay on as HC is less disruptive to at least half the team. And with this teams youth that’s important. We know Fangio has the ability to lead as HC; not as convinced about Toub. There is a remote chance he could come in and lay an egg. Having someone like Toub come in as OC only disrupts the other half of the team if he doesn’t work out. If he does better than expected he could be promotoed to assistant HC or eventually HC if Fangio chooses to move on.

[jason]

Really?

 

Toub is a ST coach. ie. Not an offensive coach. I get it, you like Toub. I do too. As HC. Honestly thinking he could be an OC is literally Madden PS4 talk...it is not reality. Not remotely.

 

I side with Alaska on this. Would Toub be the perfect candidate as OC? No. Would he be much worse than the retards running Chicago offenses for the past two decades? Unlikely. And those guys were supposed to be offensive gurus. Hell, I literally think anyone on this board could be better than Shoop was.

[Chitownhustla]

I side with Alaska on this. Would Toub be the perfect candidate as OC? No. Would he be much worse than the retards running Chicago offenses for the past two decades? Unlikely. And those guys were supposed to be offensive gurus. Hell, I literally think anyone on this board could be better than Shoop was.

 

Im shocked you agree with Grixzzly on this. Either way Ill show you guys some info that makes this thought "PS4 talk".

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_curre...ve_coordinators

 

Take a look at the list of current OC's......see if you can find one that had zero offensive coaching experience before becoming an OC. IF you dont want to take the time Ill tell you, not one. There is only one or two on the list that actually had any Defensive coaching experience at all. ALL had years of Offensive coaching experience before becoming a OC.

 

The Bears will not risk the development of Tru with hiring an OC with NO offensive coaching experience.

 

 

[madlithuanian]

Fantasy. Pure fun with no attachment to what really happens. But in fact, last time I played Madden, you could only make coordinators HC's. You couldn't change their coordinator slot from ST to O or D or in any combination.

 

The biggest Q of success is the ability to actually hold the position. Toub will never be an OC, therefore, he would have more success as a HC. Even, with that said, ST commands a group of people, organizes efforts and looks at both sides of the ball to encompass his club. Other ST coaches, like Ditka and Harbaugh have made the transition successfully.

 

This argument isn't whether Fangio could be a HC, he can. Fangio just would not be an OC. Neither will Toub.

 

Your speculation of hiring Toub as an OC is in the same realm of me thinking of having a fling with a Victoria Secret model. Pure unadulterated fantasy with no correlation to the real world.

 

It’s like “PS4 talk”? How so? Please elaborate. What makes you so sure he’d succeed as an HC moreso than an OC?

 

Having someone like Fangio stay on as HC is less disruptive to at least half the team. And with this teams youth that’s important. We know Fangio has the ability to lead as HC; not as convinced about Toub. There is a remote chance he could come in and lay an egg. Having someone like Toub come in as OC only disrupts the other half of the team if he doesn’t work out. If he does better than expected he could be promotoed to assistant HC or eventually HC if Fangio chooses to move on.

 

[madlithuanian]

Whatever you and Alsaka are smoking, I'd trademark it, because you'll make billions!

 

Saying that the piles of rubbish we had over the years were worse than Toub. OK. I'll buy. But damn. If the only OC candidate we can find to teach Tru is Toub, it is seriously f'ed up. It's funny to say the junk we've had is awful, etc...but no way on God's green earth is Toub being hired by any NFL team to be an OC...

 

 

 

 

 

I side with Alaska on this. Would Toub be the perfect candidate as OC? No. Would he be much worse than the retards running Chicago offenses for the past two decades? Unlikely. And those guys were supposed to be offensive gurus. Hell, I literally think anyone on this board could be better than Shoop was.

 

[madlithuanian]

Thank you for your logic Chitownhustla!

 

Im shocked you agree with Grixzzly on this. Either way Ill show you guys some info that makes this thought "PS4 talk".

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_curre...ve_coordinators

 

Take a look at the list of current OC's......see if you can find one that had zero offensive coaching experience before becoming an OC. IF you dont want to take the time Ill tell you, not one. There is only one or two on the list that actually had any Defensive coaching experience at all. ALL had years of Offensive coaching experience before becoming a OC.

 

The Bears will not risk the development of Tru with hiring an OC with NO offensive coaching experience.

 

[jason]

Im shocked you agree with Grizzly on this. Either way Ill show you guys some info that makes this thought "PS4 talk".

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_curre...ve_coordinators

 

Take a look at the list of current OC's......see if you can find one that had zero offensive coaching experience before becoming an OC. IF you dont want to take the time Ill tell you, not one. There is only one or two on the list that actually had any Defensive coaching experience at all. ALL had years of Offensive coaching experience before becoming a OC.

 

The Bears will not risk the development of Tru with hiring an OC with NO offensive coaching experience.

 

It's an interesting thought, and a pretty compelling list, but there is one problem. Only a handful of those guys are considered to be top-notch at their job. Much like Moneyball had to be force-fed in order for old-timers to accept it, thinking outside the box is something that would be tough to swallow for guys who have been around for a long time. But times have changed over the past decade or so, and younger, more innovative minds have looked at the game in different ways. And compounded with the relative lack of success in Chicago on the offensive side of the ball, I could see the McCaskey family being persuaded by someone with a unique set of eyes and approach.

 

Toub is not an inexperienced coach, and regardless of the ST excellence and lack of offensive exposure, there is no way he is completely ignorant of any portion of football. Hell, he played OL in college.

 

But you're right on one thing: I couldn't see any franchise risking the development of a young blue-chipper on a guy who has never coached offense. The only way he'd be hired as OC would be with a QB coach whose experience could hamstring Toub as an OC.

[jason]

Whatever you and Alsaka are smoking, I'd trademark it, because you'll make billions!

 

Saying that the piles of rubbish we had over the years were worse than Toub. OK. I'll buy. But damn. If the only OC candidate we can find to teach Tru is Toub, it is seriously f'ed up. It's funny to say the junk we've had is awful, etc...but no way on God's green earth is Toub being hired by any NFL team to be an OC...

 

I merely suggest that if you attempt three-pointers for two decades and continuously shoot bricks with a regulation basketball, it wouldn't be worse to shoot with a football.

[madlithuanian]

Maybe get a player that can shoot 3's?

 

Even better. Why don't we hire a HC with solid OC/QB development experience that's not so outside the box (ie. Trestman)? That way, no matter who we get as OC when the powers that be decide that he get a HC gig himself, we don't lose the overall focus on Tru? As much as I'd like Toub. I think the logical move to to bring in an offensive mind that can steer our QB throughout the run w/o having to worry if everything will change as the next OC leaves for a better gig later. Who that is, I don't know. Pace gets paid the big bucks. He will get his chance. I hope he chooses wisely. If he botches it, he's gone too...

 

 

 

I merely suggest that if you attempt three-pointers for two decades and continuously shoot bricks with a regulation basketball, it wouldn't be worse to shoot with a football.