Meanwhile at Halas Hall

[Connorbear]

Per Adam Hoge on Twitter:

 

"Things are tense today at Halas Hall. A loud argument between players just erupted in the hallway adjacent to the media room. Hard to tell exactly who was involved. #Bears"

 

IMO - Fox is losing this team.

 

Peace

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Per Adam Hoge on Twitter:

 

"Things are tense today at Halas Hall. A loud argument between players just erupted in the hallway adjacent to the media room. Hard to tell exactly who was involved. #Bears"

 

IMO - Fox is losing this team.

 

Peace

 

Could it be leaders like Hicks want Fox back next year and others may not?

 

 

“Akiem Hicks said today on @mullyhanley that he wants John Fox to be back with the Bears. "As a group and as a team, we’re 1,000 percent behind him."

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/11/27/aki...h-job-security/

[Connorbear]

Could it be leaders like Hicks want Fox back next year and others may not?

 

 

“Akiem Hicks said today on @mullyhanley that he wants John Fox to be back with the Bears. "As a group and as a team, we’re 1,000 percent behind him."

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/11/27/aki...h-job-security/

 

Yeah, this could be an issue.

 

Peace

 

[madlithuanian]

Maybe the players shouldn't make so many dumb mistakes and appear better prepared over the last 3 years if they wanted to keep him around...

 

I suspect, players will always stick up for a "player's" coach, as Fox is rumored to be.

 

The only coach I care about is a winning one...

 

Yeah, this could be an issue.

 

Peace

 

[jason]

Maybe the players shouldn't make so many dumb mistakes and appear better prepared over the last 3 years if they wanted to keep him around...

 

I suspect, players will always stick up for a "player's" coach, as Fox is rumored to be.

 

The only coach I care about is a winning one...

 

Bingo. Same for Lovie.

 

It's understandable guys want to keep "their coach" around, but if that coach doesn't produce to expectations, then management has a decision to make. Players will say, "Oh, it's not the coach; it's us!" So, as management, I'd say, "If you wanted to keep him around longer, you should have produced."

[ChileBear]

Bingo. Same for Lovie.

 

It's understandable guys want to keep "their coach" around, but if that coach doesn't produce to expectations, then management has a decision to make. Players will say, "Oh, it's not the coach; it's us!" So, as management, I'd say, "If you wanted to keep him around longer, you should have produced."

Jason, you beat me to the obvious. Lovie was/is a "players coach" meaning? He coddles them, treats them like his buds. Forget that, we need a coach that is not one of the guys or one that thinks he is. Ditka was always criticized for demanding performance and being aggressive about it. Ya think there's a reason Papa Bear brought him in? This team needs a kick your butt guy to turn this mess around. Not a offense approach or a d approach. someone, oh God please, other than Fox: "I don't give a...." Well, as a LIFE LONG--59 friggn years fan, I do give a flying frick what happens to MY team, and you, Mr. Fox, can go to hell.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Jason, you beat me to the obvious. Lovie was/is a "players coach" meaning? He coddles them, treats them like his buds. Forget that, we need a coach that is not one of the guys or one that thinks he is. Ditka was always criticized for demanding performance and being aggressive about it. Ya think there's a reason Papa Bear brought him in? This team needs a kick your butt guy to turn this mess around. Not a offense approach or a d approach. someone, oh God please, other than Fox: "I don't give a...." Well, as a LIFE LONG--59 friggn years fan, I do give a flying frick what happens to MY team, and you, Mr. Fox, can go to hell.

 

Wow... talk about over the top! Lol. I should remind you guys that mentioning Lovie could get you admitted to a psych evaluation. How dare you!!! (Sorry Mad, had to).

 

So here’s a perspective to think about. I was recently perusing some articles about Fox’s current situation and found an article that in part read; ‘Players shocked to find Fox let go’. As it turned out it was an article about his leaving Denver a few years back.

 

That being said what has happened to Denver since he left? So far they are a combined 24-19 to include a current 3-8 record this year and a 12-4 record the year after Fox left: the same year they won the Super Bowl. An argument could be made that having Fox leave was key to propel them to a win in the Super Bowl rather than just appear in it.

 

At any rate I’m still of the opinion we should still continue to question the ability of Pace. Sure you expect the players to play well and maybe Fox is to blame for not motivating them enough. But you have a performer and potential pro bowler in Hicks calling for him to stay. I don’t think he’s in any way shape or form “coddled”. But there are some players like 2017 draft picks Shaheen, Cohen and Morgan who all came from D2 schools that may take a bit longer to get used to the speed of the NFL. Heck even Trubisky is showing some growing pains with the NFL after having limited exposure in a D1 enviornment. Fox is not the one harvesting these players.

 

I realize that Fox will ultimately answer to this current situation and almost wonder if he’s more a fall guy. We won’t really know until after Pace makes his choice from the alleged list. Nor will we know until after a year or two of possible continued mediocrity or worse.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Wow... talk about over the top! Lol. I should remind you guys that mentioning Lovie could get you admitted to a psych evaluation. How dare you!!! (Sorry Mad, had to).

 

So here’s a perspective to think about. I was recently perusing some articles about Fox’s current situation and found an article that in part read; ‘Players shocked to find Fox let go’. As it turned out it was an article about his leaving Denver a few years back.

 

That being said what has happened to Denver since he left? So far they are a combined 24-19 to include a current 3-8 record this year and a 12-4 record the year after Fox left: the same year they won the Super Bowl. An argument could be made that having Fox leave was key to propel them to a win in the Super Bowl rather than just appear in it.

 

At any rate I’m still of the opinion we should still continue to question the ability of Pace. Sure you expect the players to play well and maybe Fox is to blame for not motivating them enough. But you have a performer and potential pro bowler in Hicks calling for him to stay. I don’t think he’s in any way shape or form “coddled”. But there are some players like 2017 draft picks Shaheen, Cohen and Morgan who all came from D2 schools that may take a bit longer to get used to the speed of the NFL. Heck even Trubisky is showing some growing pains with the NFL after having limited exposure in a D1 enviornment. Fox is not the one harvesting these players.

 

I realize that Fox will ultimately answer to this current situation and almost wonder if he’s more a fall guy. We won’t really know until after Pace makes his choice from the alleged list. Nor will we know until after a year or two of possible continued mediocrity or worse.

Interesting question Grizzly. There are actually a lot of reports coming out recently (from Denver) about how Elway is just an awful GM to work for and that Fox wanted to preserve Manning's arm and run more, etc. Elway wanted to do the opposite and then finally Kubiak was able to get Elway (due to their friendship) somewhere there and that was the year they won the superbowl. Media has been giving Fox a lot of recent kudos in the Denver area as more stuff has been coming out on Elway. I still say Fox is a very proven head coach in this league. IF he has talent, he'll produce wins. Is he the best coach in the league, no, but he's proven enough over his tenure that you can't just imply that a new coach will immediately turn things around.

 

On the offensive side, it probably would. I still go back to continuity and how good it is for teams / systems. I also look at our recent draft picks and in many cases I can point out guys who have been "developed" and improved. I really can't see how anyone can say, geeze, Fox has not gotten enough out of this roster. You can debate penalties and some bad games, but man, he's proven to be a pretty solid head coach. Now I do understand that we have a young QB who we have invested in and we want to make sure we surround him with the right offensive minds, but I also look and say that the coaches said he wasn't ready and they have tried to bring him along slowly and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. We haven't jerked him and benched him and done some of the things other organizations have done. I'd actually say the biggest failure on Trubisky was Pace not providing adequate receivers for him to throw the football. Inman is our best receiver (by far) and he was not even playing on the Chargers and while I like him, the reality is he's a solid 3/4 receiver (and for the Bears is the best guy we have). That is just unacceptable by Pace (and I said this before the injuries in terms of the pathetic WR corps we had).

 

I'm not knocking or advocating firing Pace but I am saying that no coach could have excelled with the roster that has been handed. This was a massive clean-up job and you don't want to hit the full reset button by bringing in a bunch of new people cause you'll never have the necessary continuity to get better and you quickly turn into the Browns (and to be frank...we have been headed that direction with how quickly we've been ousting people and hitting "reset" over the past few years). Pace has to stay and If we kept Fox, I'd be fine (albeit, I kind of expect Fangio / Loggains to be out). Reality is all are going to be gone.

[ChileBear]

Interesting question Grizzly. There are actually a lot of reports coming out recently (from Denver) about how Elway is just an awful GM to work for and that Fox wanted to preserve Manning's arm and run more, etc. Elway wanted to do the opposite and then finally Kubiak was able to get Elway (due to their friendship) somewhere there and that was the year they won the superbowl. Media has been giving Fox a lot of recent kudos in the Denver area as more stuff has been coming out on Elway. I still say Fox is a very proven head coach in this league. IF he has talent, he'll produce wins. Is he the best coach in the league, no, but he's proven enough over his tenure that you can't just imply that a new coach will immediately turn things around.

 

On the offensive side, it probably would. I still go back to continuity and how good it is for teams / systems. I also look at our recent draft picks and in many cases I can point out guys who have been "developed" and improved. I really can't see how anyone can say, geeze, Fox has not gotten enough out of this roster. You can debate penalties and some bad games, but man, he's proven to be a pretty solid head coach. Now I do understand that we have a young QB who we have invested in and we want to make sure we surround him with the right offensive minds, but I also look and say that the coaches said he wasn't ready and they have tried to bring him along slowly and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. We haven't jerked him and benched him and done some of the things other organizations have done. I'd actually say the biggest failure on Trubisky was Pace not providing adequate receivers for him to throw the football. Inman is our best receiver (by far) and he was not even playing on the Chargers and while I like him, the reality is he's a solid 3/4 receiver (and for the Bears is the best guy we have). That is just unacceptable by Pace (and I said this before the injuries in terms of the pathetic WR corps we had).

 

I'm not knocking or advocating firing Pace but I am saying that no coach could have excelled with the roster that has been handed. This was a massive clean-up job and you don't want to hit the full reset button by bringing in a bunch of new people cause you'll never have the necessary continuity to get better and you quickly turn into the Browns (and to be frank...we have been headed that direction with how quickly we've been ousting people and hitting "reset" over the past few years). Pace has to stay and If we kept Fox, I'd be fine (albeit, I kind of expect Fangio / Loggains to be out). Reality is all are going to be gone.

Alright then: " I still say Fox is a very proven head coach in this league. IF he has talent, he'll produce wins. Is he the best coach in the league, no, but he's proven enough over his tenure that you can't just imply that a new coach will immediately turn things around."

 

Let's keep mediocrity around. Like Lovie, "he'll produce wins." Hey, we have 3 now, and the season's not done. I'm sure looking forward to those solid wins to come this season. (Yes, that IS SARCASM). Fox can't even tirn around a dumb challenge call, let alone this team. I'm one fan, and I don't care who jins me, that thinks Fox stinks as a coach right now and needs to go for my team to get out of this pit.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Alright then: " I still say Fox is a very proven head coach in this league. IF he has talent, he'll produce wins. Is he the best coach in the league, no, but he's proven enough over his tenure that you can't just imply that a new coach will immediately turn things around."

 

Let's keep mediocrity around. Like Lovie, "he'll produce wins." Hey, we have 3 now, and the season's not done. I'm sure looking forward to those solid wins to come this season. (Yes, that IS SARCASM). Fox can't even tirn around a dumb challenge call, let alone this team. I'm one fan, and I don't care who jins me, that thinks Fox stinks as a coach right now and needs to go for my team to get out of this pit.

Fox doesn't stink though. He's been to superbowls with two different teams. He has proven that he can win and be above average and even get to the big game. I'm not saying you can't fire a coach, but geeze, how many coaches have the Bears went through since Lovie left. Far too many. I'm not saying we need to keep Fox, but this Fox is a total bum line is just pure crap. And the challenges, come on man, yes that challenge sucked, but Fox isn't the guy watching the replays in the booth. Look around the league, tons of teams have regular trouble with challenges...the review team has a split second and sometimes limited camera info to make a call. It isn't like they have minutes to dissect a play.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Fox doesn't stink though. He's been to superbowls with two different teams. He has proven that he can win and be above average and even get to the big game. I'm not saying you can't fire a coach, but geeze, how many coaches have the Bears went through since Lovie left. Far too many. I'm not saying we need to keep Fox, but this Fox is a total bum line is just pure crap. And the challenges, come on man, yes that challenge sucked, but Fox isn't the guy watching the replays in the booth. Look around the league, tons of teams have regular trouble with challenges...the review team has a split second and sometimes limited camera info to make a call. It isn't like they have minutes to dissect a play.

 

Again (BOLDED) that in and of itself is a feat. No matter how you slice it. In his prime Marv Levy was considered a football legend because he went to four consecutive Super Bowls despite not being able to win any of them. The fact being, at least his teams got the chance to be there. Would they fire a coach these days because of a record like that? Probably.

 

It probably also deserves repeating that not only did Fox take two separate teams to Super Bowls but also used players like Jake Delhomme to go to one and Tim Tebow to get close with another. Yes; Peyton put them over the top but through it all the constant was the same; Fox...until it wasn't.

 

 

[BearFan PHX]

I just see that Fox makes terrible choices in time management, and replay challenges. It seems like he isnt smart enough to really do a great job. I think he gets people, and we were lucky to have him as we began to build this culture, but I also think we can find a better coach now at this point.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

I found this article that leans towards some of my concerns about the current situation and especially Pace. One difference for me is that I’m not convinced Fox is a horrible coach.

 

https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/11/2...e-poor-judgment

 

 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Per Adam Hoge on Twitter:

 

"Things are tense today at Halas Hall. A loud argument between players just erupted in the hallway adjacent to the media room. Hard to tell exactly who was involved. #Bears"

 

IMO - Fox is losing this team.

 

Peace

Adam Hoge‏Verified account @AdamHoge 36m36 minutes ago Tre McBride and Josh Bellamy were the two primary players involved in Monday’s argument, per multiple sources. Obviously one player is still on the roster and the other is not. McBride was waived Tuesday. As for Bellamy, he was not in the locker room today for comment.

 

 

[AZ54]

Adam Hoge‏Verified account @AdamHoge 36m36 minutes ago Tre McBride and Josh Bellamy were the two primary players involved in Monday’s argument, per multiple sources. Obviously one player is still on the roster and the other is not. McBride was waived Tuesday. As for Bellamy, he was not in the locker room today for comment.

 

 

Not the first time someone "loses it" just before they get fired, and that's not just with football teams. There is usually more behind the scenes than what we know.

[madlithuanian]

Ha!

 

Wow... talk about over the top! Lol. I should remind you guys that mentioning Lovie could get you admitted to a psych evaluation. How dare you!!! (Sorry Mad, had to).

 

So here’s a perspective to think about. I was recently perusing some articles about Fox’s current situation and found an article that in part read; ‘Players shocked to find Fox let go’. As it turned out it was an article about his leaving Denver a few years back.

 

That being said what has happened to Denver since he left? So far they are a combined 24-19 to include a current 3-8 record this year and a 12-4 record the year after Fox left: the same year they won the Super Bowl. An argument could be made that having Fox leave was key to propel them to a win in the Super Bowl rather than just appear in it.

 

At any rate I’m still of the opinion we should still continue to question the ability of Pace. Sure you expect the players to play well and maybe Fox is to blame for not motivating them enough. But you have a performer and potential pro bowler in Hicks calling for him to stay. I don’t think he’s in any way shape or form “coddled”. But there are some players like 2017 draft picks Shaheen, Cohen and Morgan who all came from D2 schools that may take a bit longer to get used to the speed of the NFL. Heck even Trubisky is showing some growing pains with the NFL after having limited exposure in a D1 enviornment. Fox is not the one harvesting these players.

 

I realize that Fox will ultimately answer to this current situation and almost wonder if he’s more a fall guy. We won’t really know until after Pace makes his choice from the alleged list. Nor will we know until after a year or two of possible continued mediocrity or worse.

 

[AZ54]

Interesting question Grizzly. There are actually a lot of reports coming out recently (from Denver) about how Elway is just an awful GM to work for and that Fox wanted to preserve Manning's arm and run more, etc. Elway wanted to do the opposite and then finally Kubiak was able to get Elway (due to their friendship) somewhere there and that was the year they won the superbowl. Media has been giving Fox a lot of recent kudos in the Denver area as more stuff has been coming out on Elway. I still say Fox is a very proven head coach in this league. IF he has talent, he'll produce wins. Is he the best coach in the league, no, but he's proven enough over his tenure that you can't just imply that a new coach will immediately turn things around.

 

On the offensive side, it probably would. I still go back to continuity and how good it is for teams / systems. I also look at our recent draft picks and in many cases I can point out guys who have been "developed" and improved. I really can't see how anyone can say, geeze, Fox has not gotten enough out of this roster. You can debate penalties and some bad games, but man, he's proven to be a pretty solid head coach. Now I do understand that we have a young QB who we have invested in and we want to make sure we surround him with the right offensive minds, but I also look and say that the coaches said he wasn't ready and they have tried to bring him along slowly and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. We haven't jerked him and benched him and done some of the things other organizations have done. I'd actually say the biggest failure on Trubisky was Pace not providing adequate receivers for him to throw the football. Inman is our best receiver (by far) and he was not even playing on the Chargers and while I like him, the reality is he's a solid 3/4 receiver (and for the Bears is the best guy we have). That is just unacceptable by Pace (and I said this before the injuries in terms of the pathetic WR corps we had).

 

I'm not knocking or advocating firing Pace but I am saying that no coach could have excelled with the roster that has been handed. This was a massive clean-up job and you don't want to hit the full reset button by bringing in a bunch of new people cause you'll never have the necessary continuity to get better and you quickly turn into the Browns (and to be frank...we have been headed that direction with how quickly we've been ousting people and hitting "reset" over the past few years). Pace has to stay and If we kept Fox, I'd be fine (albeit, I kind of expect Fangio / Loggains to be out). Reality is all are going to be gone.

 

I've been quietly on the sidelines while all the Firefox hype ran rampant. I don't think he's a bad coach at all. Is he a great coach? Maybe not but he IMO does know how to hire good coaches to work for him. He will setup game plans for what he wants and they will be held to account to follow it. That can be good or bad but I've seen enough BS on message boards to know many fans are just clueless. For any HC to get two teams to a Superbowl is pretty damn good. The fact Fox got fired in Denver and then they won a Superbowl with Von Miller and Derek Wolfe both back in the lineup (they were injured the previous year) doesn't make me think any less of Fox. Facts are that Elway has failed his team without Fox. Why did Wade Philips leave after winning a Superbowl? IMO we were lucky to get Fox here to help change the culture.

 

We saw for a couple weeks the "put Tru in and let him fail" so he can learn. Now the team is failing and Trubisky's struggles are all Fox's fault. Reality is Fox was right. Trubisky, despite raw talent that is much better than Glennon's, was far from ready to start in the NFL.

 

Pace deserves some of the fault for the slow rebuild because he's been careful not to overspend in FA. In that I mean he's not making the big long term deals. We over spend all the time on one year type of deals (i.e. Wheaton) but Pace wants the short term risk/reward. The plus side of being more aggressive in FA is that we might get more wins early but in the end the high price deals could keep us from getting the final pieces to win a Superbowl when the roster is ready. Pace has stuck to his plan for a rebuild through the draft. That's painfully slow because you need players in their 3rd or 4th year before they are good enough to win consistently. Yet here we are.

 

At this point I'm still not a FireFox fan but I realize that another offensive performance like last week will put the final nail in the coffin. Pace can't afford to let Trubisky's raw talent get scuttled early. None of us can. If Trubisky is not showing improvement this week then we need new offensive coaches and, with that, we need a new HC. The Bears' future rests on Trubisky's shoulders and that's where the coaching focus has to be. If Trubisky fails, Pace and everyone else is going down too. Pace knew that the day he was hired, even if he didn't know the QBs name at the time.

[madlithuanian]

Sorry, it's the old that was then this is now. No one's hiring Dan Reeves either. Game has passed them by. Fox's poor record over 3 seasons speaks to itself.

 

 

 

Again (BOLDED) that in and of itself is a feat. No matter how you slice it. In his prime Marv Levy was considered a football legend because he went to four consecutive Super Bowls despite not being able to win any of them. The fact being, at least his teams got the chance to be there. Would they fire a coach these days because of a record like that? Probably.

 

It probably also deserves repeating that not only did Fox take two separate teams to Super Bowls but also used players like Jake Delhomme to go to one and Tim Tebow to get close with another. Yes; Peyton put them over the top but through it all the constant was the same; Fox...until it wasn't.

 

[madlithuanian]

It wasn't Cutler's fault either. He had no WR's...etc etc etc. There is just a time when it is time to move on. 3 seasons with his record here is enough. We aren't releasing a SB winning coach. We are letting Dan Reeves go. Thanks. Close, but no cigar. But, he was never close with us. He was close years ago in CAR and years ago with an epic D and a legendary potentially best ever QB in DEN. It's simply time for the next.

 

 

 

I've been quietly on the sidelines while all the Firefox hype ran rampant. I don't think he's a bad coach at all. Is he a great coach? Maybe not but he IMO does know how to hire good coaches to work for him. He will setup game plans for what he wants and they will be held to account to follow it. That can be good or bad but I've seen enough BS on message boards to know many fans are just clueless. For any HC to get two teams to a Superbowl is pretty damn good. The fact Fox got fired in Denver and then they won a Superbowl with Von Miller and Derek Wolfe both back in the lineup (they were injured the previous year) doesn't make me think any less of Fox. Facts are that Elway has failed his team without Fox. Why did Wade Philips leave after winning a Superbowl? IMO we were lucky to get Fox here to help change the culture.

 

We saw for a couple weeks the "put Tru in and let him fail" so he can learn. Now the team is failing and Trubisky's struggles are all Fox's fault. Reality is Fox was right. Trubisky, despite raw talent that is much better than Glennon's, was far from ready to start in the NFL.

 

Pace deserves some of the fault for the slow rebuild because he's been careful not to overspend in FA. In that I mean he's not making the big long term deals. We over spend all the time on one year type of deals (i.e. Wheaton) but Pace wants the short term risk/reward. The plus side of being more aggressive in FA is that we might get more wins early but in the end the high price deals could keep us from getting the final pieces to win a Superbowl when the roster is ready. Pace has stuck to his plan for a rebuild through the draft. That's painfully slow because you need players in their 3rd or 4th year before they are good enough to win consistently. Yet here we are.

 

At this point I'm still not a FireFox fan but I realize that another offensive performance like last week will put the final nail in the coffin. Pace can't afford to let Trubisky's raw talent get scuttled early. None of us can. If Trubisky is not showing improvement this week then we need new offensive coaches and, with that, we need a new HC. The Bears' future rests on Trubisky's shoulders and that's where the coaching focus has to be. If Trubisky fails, Pace and everyone else is going down too. Pace knew that the day he was hired, even if he didn't know the QBs name at the time.

 

[Connorbear]

The only question Pace really needs to answer is if this offensive coaching staff can successfully develop Trubisky. He is the future of this franchise (good or bad). If he feels they are not, then Fox needs to go because we've already seen what happens with the revolving door at offensive coordinator under Lovie.

 

Peace

[bowlingtwig]

The only question Pace really needs if this offensive coaching staff can successfully develop Trubisky. He is the future of this franchise (good or bad). If he feels they are not, then Fox needs to go because we've already seen what happens with the revolving door at offensive coordinator under Lovie.

 

Peace

Exactly. Everything is centered around trubisky. My biggest problem with fox is often we get thumped. I saw a list on Twitter of comparing every HC we've had some Lovie was let go and it was centered around how often they lose by 20 or more pts. With fox that number is around 20% if the time. The highest by a large margin over every one else. Trestman was really high as well but around 13% while everyone else was less than 10. So fox's teams here are getting thumped in a greater % of the time and the fact the he has never won a game here that he was supposed to win is very glaring. In 3 yrs here what's his greatest win. 2015 against GB? And if I'm not mistaken that was the game Rodgers got hurt early in the game. This yr against the Steelers? Not much of a resume. His resume is what got him the job here but I'm not keeping someone around based on what they did prior to here. In this business it's all about what have you done for me lately. So I ask everyone what has fox done for us since he's arrived to justify us keeping him around even longer? I'm sick of hearing about what he did in Carolina or Denver. He's been here 3 years. Which is long enough to evaluate him

[Connorbear]

Exactly. Everything is centered around trubisky. My biggest problem with fox is often we get thumped. I saw a list on Twitter of comparing every HC we've had some Lovie was let go and it was centered around how often they lose by 20 or more pts. With fox that number is around 20% if the time. The highest by a large margin over every one else. Trestman was really high as well but around 13% while everyone else was less than 10. So fox's teams here are getting thumped in a greater % of the time and the fact the he has never won a game here that he was supposed to win is very glaring. In 3 yrs here what's his greatest win. 2015 against GB? And if I'm not mistaken that was the game Rodgers got hurt early in the game. This yr against the Steelers? Not much of a resume. His resume is what got him the job here but I'm not keeping someone around based on what they did prior to here. In this business it's all about what have you done for me lately. So I ask everyone what has fox done for us since he's arrived to justify us keeping him around even longer? I'm sick of hearing about what he did in Carolina or Denver. He's been here 3 years. Which is long enough to evaluate him

 

Exactly. Fox was a good coach in the league at one time but that has nothing to do with now. All that matters to the Bears is how is coaching for the Bears.

 

Peace

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Meanwhile at Halas Hall......

 

The Bears have brought back two familiar faces on the Defense. Lamar Houston OLB and Chris Prosinski S. With injuries limiting Roy Robertson-Harris OLB, Adrian Amos and DeAndre Houston-Carson they need reinforcements.

 

Also noted was Quentin Demps S has returned to practice. His designation to return clock is now started.

 

 

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I've been quietly on the sidelines while all the Firefox hype ran rampant. I don't think he's a bad coach at all. Is he a great coach? Maybe not but he IMO does know how to hire good coaches to work for him. He will setup game plans for what he wants and they will be held to account to follow it. That can be good or bad but I've seen enough BS on message boards to know many fans are just clueless. For any HC to get two teams to a Superbowl is pretty damn good. The fact Fox got fired in Denver and then they won a Superbowl with Von Miller and Derek Wolfe both back in the lineup (they were injured the previous year) doesn't make me think any less of Fox. Facts are that Elway has failed his team without Fox. Why did Wade Philips leave after winning a Superbowl? IMO we were lucky to get Fox here to help change the culture.

 

We saw for a couple weeks the "put Tru in and let him fail" so he can learn. Now the team is failing and Trubisky's struggles are all Fox's fault. Reality is Fox was right. Trubisky, despite raw talent that is much better than Glennon's, was far from ready to start in the NFL.

 

Pace deserves some of the fault for the slow rebuild because he's been careful not to overspend in FA. In that I mean he's not making the big long term deals. We over spend all the time on one year type of deals (i.e. Wheaton) but Pace wants the short term risk/reward. The plus side of being more aggressive in FA is that we might get more wins early but in the end the high price deals could keep us from getting the final pieces to win a Superbowl when the roster is ready. Pace has stuck to his plan for a rebuild through the draft. That's painfully slow because you need players in their 3rd or 4th year before they are good enough to win consistently. Yet here we are.

 

At this point I'm still not a FireFox fan but I realize that another offensive performance like last week will put the final nail in the coffin. Pace can't afford to let Trubisky's raw talent get scuttled early. None of us can. If Trubisky is not showing improvement this week then we need new offensive coaches and, with that, we need a new HC. The Bears' future rests on Trubisky's shoulders and that's where the coaching focus has to be. If Trubisky fails, Pace and everyone else is going down too. Pace knew that the day he was hired, even if he didn't know the QBs name at the time.

Fantastic post; Spot on.

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The only question Pace really needs to answer is if this offensive coaching staff can successfully develop Trubisky. He is the future of this franchise (good or bad). If he feels they are not, then Fox needs to go because we've already seen what happens with the revolving door at offensive coordinator under Lovie.

 

Peace

 

Being a loyal Lovie fan even I realized the mistakes he's made in the past with O coordinators (or was it Cutler screwing it up?)...anyhow... But to compare the 'revolving door' philosophy of OC's with Lovie and Fox is not fair, not to Fox anyhow. Since he's been with the team, who have his OC's been? Gase and Loggains. Gase is off doing his thing in Miami and Loggains...well he's in Chitown doing his thing, whatever that is. If you look at Loggain's past all he's been is a quarterback's coach for Tennessee, Cleveland and Chicago before getting where he is now. And no he wasn't in Tennesse when Mairota was there. He was promoted to their OC after Chris Palmer was fired in 2012.

 

Personally I think, if Fox stays, he should be given another shot with a different OC. Potentially losing both Fox and Fangio would equate a rebuild to me.