Stinger226 Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 I think we should resign K. Fuller . It is an area of need and if we go out and sign a high level vet, it will cost us an average of 13 mil based on last years signing. So is Fuller worth, 10 to 11 mil a year at 5 years with 30 mil guaranteed ? I think we have to , you figure we draft one high and at least need a young stable vet going forward. The Marcus Cooper signing was thought to be a ascending player, but fell of the edge. Prince played well but was not outstanding, so I think we keep one and Fuller is 3 years younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 You're probably right. The Bears have cheap contracts on Deiondre Hall and Crevon Leblanc, so they'll stay as quality depth. Prince is on a one year contract that won't be renewed. That leaves Cooper and/or Fuller, and the comparison in terms of production is laughable. Fuller blows him out of the water. I just hope the Bears don't have to pay him as much as you're predicting. BTW - I think a player to watch is Dontae Johnson of the Niners. He took a major step forward this year, had some struggles, but looks to have some nice potential. He fits the mold in terms of what Pace seems to covet. He's the type of "on the cusp of breaking through"-player that Pace really likes to target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 I think we should resign K. Fuller . It is an area of need and if we go out and sign a high level vet, it will cost us an average of 13 mil based on last years signing. So is Fuller worth, 10 to 11 mil a year at 5 years with 30 mil guaranteed ? I think we have to , you figure we draft one high and at least need a young stable vet going forward. The Marcus Cooper signing was thought to be a ascending player, but fell of the edge. Prince played well but was not outstanding, so I think we keep one and Fuller is 3 years younger. They need to get him signed long term. If they don't see eye to eye, then look for the Bears to use a franchise tag on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 He definitely has to be resigned. I'd hope for 3 or 4 yrs with big guarantees in the form of performance based. # of picks and # of PDs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 This one may be challenging. We opted out of his 5th year option, which now looks like a bad move. No one was questioning it when it happened, and you can't blame Pace for doing it as it at the time. Fuller under-performed for most of his first few years and has only came on this year. I would say you need to lock him up if he is willing to stay here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 This one may be challenging. We opted out of his 5th year option, which now looks like a bad move. No one was questioning it when it happened, and you can't blame Pace for doing it as it at the time. Fuller under-performed for most of his first few years and has only came on this year. I would say you need to lock him up if he is willing to stay here. I’m concerned due to the fact that his contract year he seems to have suddenly figured it out. Once signed what’s to say he doesn’t regress and start the pout-athon he seemed to be following for most of his career? Is there some sort of incentive laden deal they can tie in to make sure he keeps producing as he should? With the potential loss of Fangio and a new scheme I could see Fuller easily following the path of least resistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 I'm concerned due to the fact that his contract year he seems to have suddenly figured it out. Once signed what's to say he doesn't regress and start the pout-athon he seemed to be following for most of his career? Is there some sort of incentive laden deal they can tie in to make sure he keeps producing as he should? With the potential loss of Fangio and a new scheme I could see Fuller easily following the path of least resistance. It is a tough call. The Bears didn't trust or wanted to see more from Alshon Jeffrey before committing a long term deal and lost him for nothing. The Bears are now in a similar situation with Fuller. They will either sign him long term or apply the franchise tag. Once the franchise tag is applied, they ought to shop him hard because I would hate to lose two good players for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 If we don't overpay Fuller someone else will. Average good CBs get $10mil/yr. Elite CBs are getting $15mil/yr. Any FA we sign will be overpaid, I'd rather stick with the devil we know and reward one of our own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted December 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 If we don't overpay Fuller someone else will. Average good CBs get $10mil/yr. Elite CBs are getting $15mil/yr. Any FA we sign will be overpaid, I'd rather stick with the devil we know and reward one of our own. He show a little his rookie year and regressed the next two and last year played well. You take a chance on any player going forward but I think he is worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 It is a tough call. The Bears didn't trust or wanted to see more from Alshon Jeffrey before committing a long term deal and lost him for nothing. The Bears are now in a similar situation with Fuller. They will either sign him long term or apply the franchise tag. Once the franchise tag is applied, they ought to shop him hard because I would hate to lose two good players for nothing. I'm not saying you're suggesting they franchise Fuller, but if the Bears were to actually franchise him, everyone involved in the decision should be fired the next day. He is nowhere near a player that should be franchised. That would put him near the top salary at his position in the NFL, and he's not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 I'm not saying you're suggesting they franchise Fuller, but if the Bears were to actually franchise him, everyone involved in the decision should be fired the next day. He is nowhere near a player that should be franchised. That would put him near the top salary at his position in the NFL, and he's not worth it. This could be a time to use the transition tag. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_tag http://nfltraderumors.co/projected-2017-fr...ise-tag-totals/ However, that opens up the risk of him getting some kind of poison pill deal that we may not like. The transition tag requires at least a 1yr deal worth $12mil with zero guarantees of compensation if the player leaves (i.e. we don't match the long term deal he receives), and the Franchise tag requires $14mil but guarantees us two 1st rd picks if Fuller leaves. For ~$2mil more Pace can guarantee that Fuller or his 1st Rd replacement will be here this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 This could be a time to use the transition tag. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_tag http://nfltraderumors.co/projected-2017-fr...ise-tag-totals/ However, that opens up the risk of him getting some kind of poison pill deal that we may not like. The transition tag requires at least a 1yr deal worth $12mil with zero guarantees of compensation if the player leaves (i.e. we don't match the long term deal he receives), and the Franchise tag requires $14mil but guarantees us two 1st rd picks if Fuller leaves. For ~$2mil more Pace can guarantee that Fuller or his 1st Rd replacement will be here this season. If I were making the shots, we wouldn't use either tag. He's not really worth the $12 Transition Tag, and he's definitely not worth the $14M Franchise Tag. But if a team were thinking about it, you're right about the minimum $2M add-on that makes the pick fairly untouchable. And we all know there isn't a team in the league that's trading away two 1st round picks for Kyle Fuller. The best option is to offer him fair value and hope he stays with the team. Key term: Fair Value. That is in the eye of the beholder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingtwig Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 If I were making the shots, we wouldn't use either tag. He's not really worth the $12 Transition Tag, and he's definitely not worth the $14M Franchise Tag. But if a team were thinking about it, you're right about the minimum $2M add-on that makes the pick fairly untouchable. And we all know there isn't a team in the league that's trading away two 1st round picks for Kyle Fuller. The best option is to offer him fair value and hope he stays with the team. Key term: Fair Value. That is in the eye of the beholder. I think I'd offer around 4 yr $40M with $16Mish gtd. And offer another $5-$10M in performance based bonuses such as pro bowl, interceptions and PDs. Along with the typical active roster bonuses. I think if you front load the gtd portion then you are protecting ourselves if he drastically falls off the cliff and he feels like he gets paid with a big incentive to keep it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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