Leonard Floyd's twin

[AZ54]

I'm still searching for OLB prospects thinking we'll be keeping this 3-4 defense under someone, possibly Fangio. Take a look at Lorenzo Carter against Notre Dame and tell me who you see. He doesn't have the sacks stats to go with a top 10 pick but neither did Floyd when we took him. It's hard to assess draft stock right now players like Carter, low production, in sacks not tackles, but high potential. He might be a good candidate if we trade back a few spots.

 

[Stinger226]

I'm still searching for OLB prospects thinking we'll be keeping this 3-4 defense under someone, possibly Fangio. Take a look at Lorenzo Carter against Notre Dame and tell me who you see. He doesn't have the sacks stats to go with a top 10 pick but neither did Floyd when we took him. It's hard to assess draft stock right now players like Carter, low production, in sacks not tackles, but high potential. He might be a good candidate if we trade back a few spots.

 

I think he projects to the second round right now that would be a good option at that point of the draft.

 

I also like

 

Celin Ferrel, hw will be top 15, so he will have to be drafted in the first round.

[AZ54]

I think he projects to the second round right now that would be a good option at that point of the draft.

 

I also like

 

Celin Ferrel, hw will be top 15, so he will have to be drafted in the first round.

 

It's all about scheme and what they want. Ferrell is not going to cover anyone on a route. He's a bigger McPhee style player, but not as quick or mobile as Chubb IMO. When you watch an entire game it is clear Chubb never eases up. I'm not that high on Ferrell as an early 1st Rd pick for our defense but he can do what McPhee has done for us when healthy. OTOH Carter has highlights where he's covering TEs and RBs downfield, and chasing down players like Kamara. Plus he can still get pressure on the QB as seen on the Notre Dame game film. He will have to follow the same path as Floyd and need a couple years to really come into his own as a pass rusher. I like him far more than the smaller OLB like Landry who I think will end up more of a 3rd down specialist.

 

Right now nobody knows about Carter. We'll see if that holds up after the combine. I'd love to see him fall to us in Rd 2 but I already saw him being taken around #20 in one mock. That's not how I came across his name. I just searched for OLB who were 6'4 or taller and watched some highlights to see if any could move well.

 

If we trade back a bit then pick an OT Williams, grab Carter in Rd 2, and then a WR or CB with the 2nd/3rd Rd pick we received from the trade (Eq St. Brown). That would be an good draft.

 

If you prefer your OLB bigger and manhandling Olinemen then check out Marcus Davenport.

 

 

I came across his name from Albert Breer who says several NFL execs say he'll be drafted top 15. He moves very well, not as agile as the smaller Carter but better than Ferrell IMO, perhaps better than Chubb.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/27/2018-nfl-...ds-derwin-james

 

"You might have never heard of the guy I had to keep moving up. I mentioned UTSA edge rusher Marcus Davenport—a 6' 7" freak of a receiver-turned-pass rusher—a few weeks back. I didn’t have him in my early November mock. I put him at the end of the first round in the initial list I put together this time around, and then multiple execs told me he’s not getting out of the Top 15. I wound up putting him at 14, behind only Chubb among rushers, and Davenport clearly has a chance to rise higher."

[ASHKUM BEAR]

It's all about scheme and what they want. Ferrell is not going to cover anyone on a route. He's a bigger McPhee style player, but not as quick or mobile as Chubb IMO. When you watch an entire game it is clear Chubb never eases up. I'm not that high on Ferrell as an early 1st Rd pick for our defense but he can do what McPhee has done for us when healthy. OTOH Carter has highlights where he's covering TEs and RBs downfield, and chasing down players like Kamara. Plus he can still get pressure on the QB as seen on the Notre Dame game film. He will have to follow the same path as Floyd and need a couple years to really come into his own as a pass rusher. I like him far more than the smaller OLB like Landry who I think will end up more of a 3rd down specialist.

 

Right now nobody knows about Carter. We'll see if that holds up after the combine. I'd love to see him fall to us in Rd 2 but I already saw him being taken around #20 in one mock. That's not how I came across his name. I just searched for OLB who were 6'4 or taller and watched some highlights to see if any could move well.

 

If we trade back a bit then pick an OT Williams, grab Carter in Rd 2, and then a WR or CB with the 2nd/3rd Rd pick we received from the trade (Eq St. Brown). That would be an good draft.

 

If you prefer your OLB bigger and manhandling Olinemen then check out Marcus Davenport.

 

 

I came across his name from Albert Breer who says several NFL execs say he'll be drafted top 15. He moves very well, not as agile as the smaller Carter but better than Ferrell IMO, perhaps better than Chubb.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/27/2018-nfl-...ds-derwin-james

 

"You might have never heard of the guy I had to keep moving up. I mentioned UTSA edge rusher Marcus Davenport—a 6' 7" freak of a receiver-turned-pass rusher—a few weeks back. I didn’t have him in my early November mock. I put him at the end of the first round in the initial list I put together this time around, and then multiple execs told me he’s not getting out of the Top 15. I wound up putting him at 14, behind only Chubb among rushers, and Davenport clearly has a chance to rise higher."

Good find AZ. Unless we can draft Chubb, I would prefer to move down and draft an OT in the first. I still like Arden Key, but liked the idea of getting a Carter or Armstrong Jr in the 2nd. Davenport seems intriguing with that length and it would be another great option in the 2nd if he lasts. Our D is stout even with the injuries we endured. It would be great to see it healthy with 2 OLBs that can cover or get after the QB fast. Teams would have trouble knowing where the rush is coming from outside while still trying to contain Hicks and Goldman.

[bowlingtwig]

Good find AZ. Unless we can draft Chubb, I would prefer to move down and draft an OT in the first. I still like Arden Key, but liked the idea of getting a Carter or Armstrong Jr in the 2nd. Davenport seems intriguing with that length and it would be another great option in the 2nd if he lasts. Our D is stout even with the injuries we endured. It would be great to see it healthy with 2 OLBs that can cover or get after the QB fast. Teams would have trouble knowing where the rush is coming from outside while still trying to contain Hicks and Goldman.

It really is a shame Freeman couldn't stay on the field. Him and trevethan would be quite the building block at LB. Definitely agree with getting 1 of the LBs early along with WR

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

It really is a shame Freeman couldn't stay on the field. Him and trevethan would be quite the building block at LB. Definitely agree with getting 1 of the LBs early along with WR

I think Freeman is a gone, wish he could stay off the PEDs. As much as I like him, I think we are ok at ILB with Trevathon and Kwitkowski. I hope they re-sign Christian Cheese Jones as he filled in great too. I wouldn't mind seeing them spend a 5th or 6th on another, the guy I like is Azeem Victor from Washington. They say he compares to LeVonte David or Deon Jones.

[bowlingtwig]

I think Freeman is a gone, wish he could stay off the PEDs. As much as I like him, I think we are ok at ILB with Trevathon and Kwitkowski. I hope they re-sign Christian Cheese Jones as he filled in great too. I wouldn't mind seeing them spend a 5th or 6th on another, the guy I like is Azeem Victor from Washington. They say he compares to LeVonte David or Deon Jones.

Freeman is Definitely gone. I'd like to see spending a 3rd on a LB

[Stinger226]

Freeman is Definitely gone. I'd like to see spending a 3rd on a LB

We dont have a third round pick, two fourths thou

 

[bowlingtwig]

We dont have a third round pick, two fourths thou

My bad. Then 1 of the 4ths

[jason]

I'm still searching for OLB prospects thinking we'll be keeping this 3-4 defense under someone, possibly Fangio. Take a look at Lorenzo Carter against Notre Dame and tell me who you see. He doesn't have the sacks stats to go with a top 10 pick but neither did Floyd when we took him. It's hard to assess draft stock right now players like Carter, low production, in sacks not tackles, but high potential. He might be a good candidate if we trade back a few spots.

 

 

I absolutely do not like Carter. I think he's going to be a massive bust. I just don't see the explosion out of the gates teams need from a 3-4 OLB. His rush skills are very limited as well.

[jason]

It's all about scheme and what they want. Ferrell is not going to cover anyone on a route. He's a bigger McPhee style player, but not as quick or mobile as Chubb IMO. When you watch an entire game it is clear Chubb never eases up. I'm not that high on Ferrell as an early 1st Rd pick for our defense but he can do what McPhee has done for us when healthy. OTOH Carter has highlights where he's covering TEs and RBs downfield, and chasing down players like Kamara. Plus he can still get pressure on the QB as seen on the Notre Dame game film. He will have to follow the same path as Floyd and need a couple years to really come into his own as a pass rusher. I like him far more than the smaller OLB like Landry who I think will end up more of a 3rd down specialist.

 

Right now nobody knows about Carter. We'll see if that holds up after the combine. I'd love to see him fall to us in Rd 2 but I already saw him being taken around #20 in one mock. That's not how I came across his name. I just searched for OLB who were 6'4 or taller and watched some highlights to see if any could move well.

 

If we trade back a bit then pick an OT Williams, grab Carter in Rd 2, and then a WR or CB with the 2nd/3rd Rd pick we received from the trade (Eq St. Brown). That would be an good draft.

 

If you prefer your OLB bigger and manhandling Olinemen then check out Marcus Davenport.

 

 

I came across his name from Albert Breer who says several NFL execs say he'll be drafted top 15. He moves very well, not as agile as the smaller Carter but better than Ferrell IMO, perhaps better than Chubb.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/27/2018-nfl-...ds-derwin-james

 

"You might have never heard of the guy I had to keep moving up. I mentioned UTSA edge rusher Marcus Davenport—a 6' 7" freak of a receiver-turned-pass rusher—a few weeks back. I didn’t have him in my early November mock. I put him at the end of the first round in the initial list I put together this time around, and then multiple execs told me he’s not getting out of the Top 15. I wound up putting him at 14, behind only Chubb among rushers, and Davenport clearly has a chance to rise higher."

 

I've watched a Davenport highlight or two, and I don't see any way he's a 3-4 OLB in the NFL. He'll end up as a 4-3 DE if I had to guess (also mentioned here). He's a freak alright, but he's not the right person for 3-4OLB. Hell, he'd be better for the Bears if he gained 20-30 lbs of muscle and played 3-4 DE, since all he does is bull rush and set the edge.

[jason]

Good find AZ. Unless we can draft Chubb, I would prefer to move down and draft an OT in the first. I still like Arden Key, but liked the idea of getting a Carter or Armstrong Jr in the 2nd. Davenport seems intriguing with that length and it would be another great option in the 2nd if he lasts. Our D is stout even with the injuries we endured. It would be great to see it healthy with 2 OLBs that can cover or get after the QB fast. Teams would have trouble knowing where the rush is coming from outside while still trying to contain Hicks and Goldman.

 

Yep. Arden Key is just about the only guy I want the Bears drafting in the first round if they go for an OLB. Otherwise I want OL.

[AZ54]

I absolutely do not like Carter. I think he's going to be a massive bust. I just don't see the explosion out of the gates teams need from a 3-4 OLB. His rush skills are very limited as well.

 

After watching film on him I like Davenport a lot. It's a tough choice between him and Connor Williams, who I know you don't like at least not early. I think McGlinchey will fall as we get closer to the draft and since we're more worried about fixing RT than LT he might be there for us in the 2nd Rd.

 

Brian O'Neill is another OT worth watching. He has the athleticism to handle the left side but needs work on his technique. What little I've seen of him he's always grabbing outside the shoulder pads and will get a ton of holding calls in the NFL. He might need a season on the bench.

 

Rankin (I like), Kolton Miller, Jamarco Jones, Orlando Brown, and Tyrell Crosby. IMO there is good depth at OT this draft with around 7-9 prospects getting good press so far. We should be able to grab one in Rd 2.

[jason]

After watching film on him I like Davenport a lot. It's a tough choice between him and Connor Williams, who I know you don't like at least not early. I think McGlinchey will fall as we get closer to the draft and since we're more worried about fixing RT than LT he might be there for us in the 2nd Rd.

 

Brian O'Neill is another OT worth watching. He has the athleticism to handle the left side but needs work on his technique. What little I've seen of him he's always grabbing outside the shoulder pads and will get a ton of holding calls in the NFL. He might need a season on the bench.

 

Rankin (I like), Kolton Miller, Jamarco Jones, Orlando Brown, and Tyrell Crosby. IMO there is good depth at OT this draft with around 7-9 prospects getting good press so far. We should be able to grab one in Rd 2.

 

I don't really dislike Williams, but I just think he's been pumped up a bit too much. Maybe McGlinchey has been too? Honestly, I don't see how the Bears can intelligently stay at #7 unless they love Calvin Ridley or Arden Key.

 

In the top 7, there is Barkley (RB), Chubb (DE), Fitzpatrick (S), Rosen (QB), Jackson (QB), as well as Key and Ridley. The QBs and RB are absolute not going to get drafted, and I don't think Chubb fits as a 3-4 DE. That leaves Fitzpatrick, who is awesome, but would be a horrible pick considering the Bears' young duo. Someone will want to move into that spot to reach on Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen. And if Sam Darnold comes out, that makes the #7 pick worth its weight in gold, because one of the perceived blue-chippers falls.

[Stinger226]

I don't really dislike Williams, but I just think he's been pumped up a bit too much. Maybe McGlinchey has been too? Honestly, I don't see how the Bears can intelligently stay at #7 unless they love Calvin Ridley or Arden Key.

 

In the top 7, there is Barkley (RB), Chubb (DE), Fitzpatrick (S), Rosen (QB), Jackson (QB), as well as Key and Ridley. The QBs and RB are absolute not going to get drafted, and I don't think Chubb fits as a 3-4 DE. That leaves Fitzpatrick, who is awesome, but would be a horrible pick considering the Bears' young duo. Someone will want to move into that spot to reach on Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen. And if Sam Darnold comes out, that makes the #7 pick worth its weight in gold, because one of the perceived blue-chippers falls.

Ripley isnt rated that high on the overall board, most I have seen is late first round but I seen one draft where 3 OTs were drafted in the first 6 picks. Key will probably the second guy off the board after Chubb as far as pass rushers,. If there is a run on QB then Key should be there.

[Stinger226]

I don't really dislike Williams, but I just think he's been pumped up a bit too much. Maybe McGlinchey has been too? Honestly, I don't see how the Bears can intelligently stay at #7 unless they love Calvin Ridley or Arden Key.

 

In the top 7, there is Barkley (RB), Chubb (DE), Fitzpatrick (S), Rosen (QB), Jackson (QB), as well as Key and Ridley. The QBs and RB are absolute not going to get drafted, and I don't think Chubb fits as a 3-4 DE. That leaves Fitzpatrick, who is awesome, but would be a horrible pick considering the Bears' young duo. Someone will want to move into that spot to reach on Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen. And if Sam Darnold comes out, that makes the #7 pick worth its weight in gold, because one of the perceived blue-chippers falls.

For me, AZ mentioned that Murphy was a free agent this year, I would make a run on him, a couple of WRs and draft Quentin Nelson (rated a top 5 player) in the first and

 

Chukwuma Okorafor/OT in the second and then in the fourth grab a WR and CB.

 

Keep Nelson and let Sitton go, and use his money to tie up 2 WRs and Trent Murphy at OLB.

 

So LT (the very average Leno) LG Q. Nelson (a beast) OC Whitehair, RG Long (groom Morgan to replace him in a couple of years)RT Chukwuma Okorafor (a huge man)

 

Then the Oline will be fix with some young guys and help both the protection and the running game.

[AZ54]

It seems Carter has moved up draft boards quite a bit ahead of the combine. I'm just linking one example but after seeing nobody talk about him in January his name now pops up quite a bit.

 

http://draftanalyst.com/pre-combine-lineba...ds-taking-shape

 

"Josey Jewell of Iowa, Georgia’s Lorenzo Carter and Darius Leonard of South Carolina State all grade as second-round values.

 

I stand firm on my belief that Carter will end up in Round 1. Leonard comes off a tremendous showing at the Senior Bowl, although there is some concern that he may be unable to handle complex defensive schemes and must play in a simplified system, which will have an adverse effect on his stock."

[jason]

It seems Carter has moved up draft boards quite a bit ahead of the combine. I'm just linking one example but after seeing nobody talk about him in January his name now pops up quite a bit.

 

http://draftanalyst.com/pre-combine-lineba...ds-taking-shape

 

"Josey Jewell of Iowa, Georgia’s Lorenzo Carter and Darius Leonard of South Carolina State all grade as second-round values.

 

I stand firm on my belief that Carter will end up in Round 1. Leonard comes off a tremendous showing at the Senior Bowl, although there is some concern that he may be unable to handle complex defensive schemes and must play in a simplified system, which will have an adverse effect on his stock."

 

Lorenzo Carter as a second rounder would be more pallatable. I still don’t think he’s got the burst required, but maybe his athleticism can make up for it. If he does produce crazy numbers at the combine, then i question his output in games.

[AZ54]

Lorenzo Carter as a second rounder would be more pallatable. I still don’t think he’s got the burst required, but maybe his athleticism can make up for it. If he does produce crazy numbers at the combine, then i question his output in games.

 

Just keep in mind Mel Tucker was his coach.

[jason]

Just keep in mind Mel Tucker was his coach.

 

:D :D

In that case, I change my opinion. He looks like a 3rd rounder with crazy promise to me, but now that I know Mel Tucker held him back, I'm fine with him in the late first.

[Stinger226]

:D :D

In that case, I change my opinion. He looks like a 3rd rounder with crazy promise to me, but now that I know Mel Tucker held him back, I'm fine with him in the late first.

Another player I like is Leighton Vander Erst / he played in the middle a lot but has the measurables to play any LB spot. Probably a second round guy.

[AZ54]

:D :D

In that case, I change my opinion. He looks like a 3rd rounder with crazy promise to me, but now that I know Mel Tucker held him back, I'm fine with him in the late first.

 

All we know is that Mel doesn't know how to utilize any talent. They used Leonard Floyd in a similar way when he was there. The combine will go a long way to determine if Carter will be there for us in Rd 2 which is very likely. Rd 3 we don't have...yet.

 

As edge rushers go, I think Kemoko Turay is a better prospect than Carter because he has shown better first step quickness. He has durability concerns that make grading him a challenge.