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[ASHKUM BEAR]

As the season closes, the Bears will be looking at these names and others to add to the 2018 roster. I targeted what should be the the focal point of OLB, OT, and WR at the 7,8, or 9 slot. They may surprise us with a CB, S, G or another position, feel free to throw more names. Is there a player that we cannot pass if a trade down offer arises? The Bears need to hit a homerun once again with 3 to 4 additions. Do they trade down for quantity or take the quality.

[Stinger226]

As the season closes, the Bears will be looking at these names and others to add to the 2018 roster. I targeted what should be the the focal point of OLB, OT, and WR at the 7,8, or 9 slot. They may surprise us with a CB, S, G or another position, feel free to throw more names. Is there a player that we cannot pass if a trade down offer arises? The Bears need to hit a homerun once again with 3 to 4 additions. Do they trade down for quantity or take the quality.

There are only a few top end pass rushers in this draft and will have to draft them at the top of the round. I want a OT but there are possibly 6 and some will slip in the second round, so grab our OT then. WRs are to risky to take that high (White) so grab in the later rounds or with a trade down.

[adam]

I guess we would have to rank order the top 10-15 prospects in order of who we would want and whatever guy is the top available when we pick is our guy.

 

With how the OLine played and the injuries, it is hard for me to see Pace not upgrading with McGlinchey or Williams.

 

However, with how bad our WR Corps is, I could see him going WR, but if he does, I would not be surprised if it was Courtland Sutton, out of SMU. That seems more of his MO, his entire 2016 draft was like that (Trubisky 13 starts, Shaheen, Cohen-small school, Jackson-injury).

 

There seems like we will have multiple options at #8 to fill a huge need area. The same can be said for our 2nd rounder at #39.

[jason]

What do the Bears need worse? OT.

What should the Bears do if they stay at their spot? Arden Key, because the OTs aren’t worth that high of a pick.

[AZ54]

What do the Bears need worse? OT.

What should the Bears do if they stay at their spot? Arden Key, because the OTs aren’t worth that high of a pick.

 

Arden Key isn't worth that high of a pick either. Given the list I chose Connor Williams.

 

Really should have Bradley Chubb on this list. He'd be my pick although Marcus Davenport has me intrigued right now.

 

I agree with the thoughts that we should draft a pass rusher early, especially now that we're in the 8th spot, and pick up a good OT prospect in Rd 2. WR has to be handled in FA and later in the draft.

 

One thing we are seeing with Trubisky: If he is given time in the pocket he is accurate enough to hit WRs even in tight coverage on intermediate routes down field.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Arden Key isn't worth that high of a pick either. Given the list I chose Connor Williams.

 

Really should have Bradley Chubb on this list. He'd be my pick although Marcus Davenport has me intrigued right now.

 

I agree with the thoughts that we should draft a pass rusher early, especially now that we're in the 8th spot, and pick up a good OT prospect in Rd 2. WR has to be handled in FA and later in the draft.

 

One thing we are seeing with Trubisky: If he is given time in the pocket he is accurate enough to hit WRs even in tight coverage on intermediate routes down field.

I figured Chubb will be long gone by 8, but if he is there he will be a for sure. Pass rush is a must with the guys we have and there current contracts. OT will be a close 2nd, the run game was non existent today and protecting the one guy who defines your career is huge. WRs need to be found in FA and later in the draft.

[Mongo3451]

Chubb

[Stinger226]

Chubb

In several draft sites I have looked at so far, Chubb and Key are the only 2 early round pass rushers rated in the top 10.

[jason]

Arden Key isn't worth that high of a pick either. Given the list I chose Connor Williams.

 

Really should have Bradley Chubb on this list. He'd be my pick although Marcus Davenport has me intrigued right now.

 

I agree with the thoughts that we should draft a pass rusher early, especially now that we're in the 8th spot, and pick up a good OT prospect in Rd 2. WR has to be handled in FA and later in the draft.

 

One thing we are seeing with Trubisky: If he is given time in the pocket he is accurate enough to hit WRs even in tight coverage on intermediate routes down field.

 

 

Do you want to keep Fangio? If so, where does Chubb fit in the 3-4? He’s not a 3-4 DE or a 3-4 OLB.

[bowlingtwig]

Personally for me Cortland Sutton is my guy

[AZ54]

Do you want to keep Fangio? If so, where does Chubb fit in the 3-4? He’s not a 3-4 DE or a 3-4 OLB.

 

Yes, I'm ok keeping Fangio. Chubb steps into the exact same spot Pernell McPhee held. He is a McPhee style player with his power but has more speed and agility. As you know we don't always line up in a 3-4 front depending on the situation. I actually like the scheme flexibility we'd have with Chubb. If we were to do those 3-man rushes on 3rd and very long that Fangio likes to do then lineup Chubb, RRH, and Bullard and let everyone else drop into coverage. It's not just his ability that I like, he has a very high energy level on the field and hustles after the ball at all times. In the highlights below (at 7:40 mark) he forces a fumble on a tackle 15 yards downfield. He played LB before they moved him to DE and he has enough athleticism to drop into coverage at times.

 

[Stinger226]

Yes, I'm ok keeping Fangio. Chubb steps into the exact same spot Pernell McPhee held. He is a McPhee style player with his power but has more speed and agility. As you know we don't always line up in a 3-4 front depending on the situation. I actually like the scheme flexibility we'd have with Chubb. If we were to do those 3-man rushes on 3rd and very long that Fangio likes to do then lineup Chubb, RRH, and Bullard and let everyone else drop into coverage. It's not just his ability that I like, he has a very high energy level on the field and hustles after the ball at all times. In the highlights below (at 7:40 mark) he forces a fumble on a tackle 15 yards downfield. He played LB before they moved him to DE and he has enough athleticism to drop into coverage at times.

 

As much has we like many players, the teams will be going by their slotting of the value of the players available.

I have been paying attention to many sites and with that, these observations.

 

Arden Key OLB ( he is the second rated pass rusher on most sites after Chubb. Chubb wont be there but will be the only pass rusher rated in the top 10)

 

Harold Landry OLB ( he is ranked all over the first round but would be safe to say he will be in the 10-20 value range of all players)

 

Conner Williams LT (he is all over the board by draft sites, as high as the top 10 to early third round, so I will rate him a late first or early 2nd rounder at this time)

 

Orlando Brown OT (he is usually consider as the 3rd best OT after McGlinchey and Williams but is shown first and second rounds, I will value him late first round or early second)

 

Mike McGlinchey OT ( he is generally considered the best tackle, some top 10 to late first round, so will give him a 10 to 15 rating)

 

Calvin Ridley WR ( he has been mostly taken late first or early second, and some other WRs rated higher, so will rate him a 20 to 30 valued player)

 

So by everything I have seen up to this point, I would say at 8 if we keep the pick, Arden Key has the most value and second would be McGlinchey as the second highest rated)

 

If we trade back, Landry and Fellin comes into play in the middle of the draft, or one of the OTs.

 

I would take Key in the first and still be able to grab a good OT in the early 2nd. Maybe Brown or more likely Okarfor or Miller. Maybe a trade down in the second to get a third and still be able to get a good OT. Then with the third grab a WR with a deep class of WRs.

[AZ54]

As much has we like many players, the teams will be going by their slotting of the value of the players available.

I have been paying attention to many sites and with that, these observations.

 

Arden Key OLB ( he is the second rated pass rusher on most sites after Chubb. Chubb wont be there but will be the only pass rusher rated in the top 10)

 

Harold Landry OLB ( he is ranked all over the first round but would be safe to say he will be in the 10-20 value range of all players)

 

Conner Williams LT (he is all over the board by draft sites, as high as the top 10 to early third round, so I will rate him a late first or early 2nd rounder at this time)

 

Orlando Brown OT (he is usually consider as the 3rd best OT after McGlinchey and Williams but is shown first and second rounds, I will value him late first round or early second)

 

Mike McGlinchey OT ( he is generally considered the best tackle, some top 10 to late first round, so will give him a 10 to 15 rating)

 

Calvin Ridley WR ( he has been mostly taken late first or early second, and some other WRs rated higher, so will rate him a 20 to 30 valued player)

 

So by everything I have seen up to this point, I would say at 8 if we keep the pick, Arden Key has the most value and second would be McGlinchey as the second highest rated)

 

If we trade back, Landry and Fellin comes into play in the middle of the draft, or one of the OTs.

 

I would take Key in the first and still be able to grab a good OT in the early 2nd. Maybe Brown or more likely Okarfor or Miller. Maybe a trade down in the second to get a third and still be able to get a good OT. Then with the third grab a WR with a deep class of WRs.

 

Last year at this time Jabril Peppers was a consensus top 5 pick. He ended up going #25 overall. I'll wait for things to settle because they will change a lot and I still think Key's value falls toward mid-to-late 1st Rd with Davenport taking his place as top 15 prospect. He still has the physical skills so can't rule out someone taking him based on potential.

 

Davenport displays a physical side to his game that you never see from Key. That's also a part of what is missing from Landry who is not good at all in run defense, even in college he gets washed out of a lot of plays. It's hard to see Landry as much more than a 3rd down specialist as an OLB in our scheme.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/20...-nfl-potential/

 

Calvin Ridley will certainly go in the 1st Rd because there is a lack of WR talent in this draft and he's the best option IMO, although some teams may prefer the SMU receiver.

 

Connor Williams will move up a lot if he's healthy, and that appears to be the case right now. Orlando Brown is hard for me to place because his size makes him more effective than perhaps his skills do. He doesn't move that well, but I've read several reports of scouts saying he moves well enough to get the job done with his long arms.

[Stinger226]

Last year at this time Jabril Peppers was a consensus top 5 pick. He ended up going #25 overall. I'll wait for things to settle because they will change a lot and I still think Key's value falls toward mid-to-late 1st Rd with Davenport taking his place as top 15 prospect. He still has the physical skills so can't rule out someone taking him based on potential.

 

Davenport displays a physical side to his game that you never see from Key. That's also a part of what is missing from Landry who is not good at all in run defense, even in college he gets washed out of a lot of plays. It's hard to see Landry as much more than a 3rd down specialist as an OLB in our scheme.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/20...-nfl-potential/

 

Calvin Ridley will certainly go in the 1st Rd because there is a lack of WR talent in this draft and he's the best option IMO, although some teams may prefer the SMU receiver.

 

Connor Williams will move up a lot if he's healthy, and that appears to be the case right now. Orlando Brown is hard for me to place because his size makes him more effective than perhaps his skills do. He doesn't move that well, but I've read several reports of scouts saying he moves well enough to get the job done with his long arms.

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I agree things will look different the few weeks before the draft, the combine will do a lot to lift and push down players. I just have yet to read a lot of bad things about Key.

 

ght, weight: 6-foot-6, 238 pounds (school measurements)

 

2016 statistics: 56 tackles (14.5 for loss, including 12 sacks), 3 forced fumbles, 3 passes defensed.

 

Game tape watched: Wisconsin (Sept. 3, 2016), Alabama (Nov. 5, 2016), Louisville (Dec. 31, 2016).

 

 

What I liked: Key has the ideal build for an edge rusher. He's 6-foot-6 and has exceptionally long arms. He uses his length to keep opponents off of his chest and has an array of moves to create pressures/sacks. Key flashes an explosive get off and can bend the loop at the top of his rush. His effort is solid -- he plays snap to whistle. Watch the bowl game against Louisville to gain a full appreciation for his pass-rush talent. He wins in a variety of ways.

 

As a run defender, he uses his length to stack and hold the point of attack. He has the speed/effort to make plays from the backside. His production has been outstanding.

 

 

2017 SEASON: WEEK 17

▹ Playoffs first-look: Scariest team left

▹ Falcons get second chase at SB run

Where he needs to improve: There are some instances where Key struggles to find the ball and he will be influenced by play fakes. I'd also like to see him get off of blocks and be more active as a front-side run defender. At times he's content to sit and hold the point instead of freeing himself to make the play. He stepped away from the program during the spring and that will be something scouts look into during the evaluation process.

 

Biggest takeaway: Key isn't a perfect player, but he has all of the tools to dominate as a pass rusher. Teams account for him with extra blockers, but he still finds a way to generate pressure. While a former NFL DE recently said Key is even better than 2017 No. 1 overall pick Myles Garrett, I'm not ready to make that declaration. Key is a more instinctive pass rusher, but he's not as explosive as Garrett. Key has some similarities to Pro Football Hall of Famer Jason Taylor. They have a similar frame/length and they both have great instincts as pass rushers.

 

I can't wait to see him play ... BYU in the opener on Sept. 2. LSU has opponents with a higher profile, but this will be the first opportunity to see Key's new build in game action. He wrote in a tweet this spring that he had bulked up to 255 pounds (listed at 238 by LSU) and I'm anxious to see if he maintains his burst/explosiveness.

 

Follow Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter @MoveTheSticks.

[jason]

Yes, I'm ok keeping Fangio. Chubb steps into the exact same spot Pernell McPhee held. He is a McPhee style player with his power but has more speed and agility. As you know we don't always line up in a 3-4 front depending on the situation. I actually like the scheme flexibility we'd have with Chubb. If we were to do those 3-man rushes on 3rd and very long that Fangio likes to do then lineup Chubb, RRH, and Bullard and let everyone else drop into coverage. It's not just his ability that I like, he has a very high energy level on the field and hustles after the ball at all times. In the highlights below (at 7:40 mark) he forces a fumble on a tackle 15 yards downfield. He played LB before they moved him to DE and he has enough athleticism to drop into coverage at times.

 

 

I've watched enough of Chubb to believe he's not quick enough to be a 3-4 OLB who can be relied upon to drop into coverage, and his pass rush skills are more suited to a hand in the dirt than standing on the edge. The scheme flexibility would be nice, but it's mainly to utilize his skills when using the traditional 4-3. The near consensus is that he fits best as a 4-3 DE, and is somewhat of a tweener for 3-4 defenses. I agree with that line of thought. He doesn't have the suddenness or speed, or ability to bend the edge, that guys like Floyd and Key have.

 

Having said all that, if he added 25lbs or so of muscle/bulk, I could see him as an Akiem Hicks counterpart. Or if he lost a little bit of weight, it could be interesting to see if he gained any more burst.

 

I agree things will look different the few weeks before the draft, the combine will do a lot to lift and push down players. I just have yet to read a lot of bad things about Key.

 

ght, weight: 6-foot-6, 238 pounds (school measurements)

 

2016 statistics: 56 tackles (14.5 for loss, including 12 sacks), 3 forced fumbles, 3 passes defensed.

 

Game tape watched: Wisconsin (Sept. 3, 2016), Alabama (Nov. 5, 2016), Louisville (Dec. 31, 2016).

 

 

What I liked: Key has the ideal build for an edge rusher. He's 6-foot-6 and has exceptionally long arms. He uses his length to keep opponents off of his chest and has an array of moves to create pressures/sacks. Key flashes an explosive get off and can bend the loop at the top of his rush. His effort is solid -- he plays snap to whistle. Watch the bowl game against Louisville to gain a full appreciation for his pass-rush talent. He wins in a variety of ways.

 

As a run defender, he uses his length to stack and hold the point of attack. He has the speed/effort to make plays from the backside. His production has been outstanding.

 

 

2017 SEASON: WEEK 17

▹ Playoffs first-look: Scariest team left

▹ Falcons get second chase at SB run

Where he needs to improve: There are some instances where Key struggles to find the ball and he will be influenced by play fakes. I'd also like to see him get off of blocks and be more active as a front-side run defender. At times he's content to sit and hold the point instead of freeing himself to make the play. He stepped away from the program during the spring and that will be something scouts look into during the evaluation process.

 

Biggest takeaway: Key isn't a perfect player, but he has all of the tools to dominate as a pass rusher. Teams account for him with extra blockers, but he still finds a way to generate pressure. While a former NFL DE recently said Key is even better than 2017 No. 1 overall pick Myles Garrett, I'm not ready to make that declaration. Key is a more instinctive pass rusher, but he's not as explosive as Garrett. Key has some similarities to Pro Football Hall of Famer Jason Taylor. They have a similar frame/length and they both have great instincts as pass rushers.

 

I can't wait to see him play ... BYU in the opener on Sept. 2. LSU has opponents with a higher profile, but this will be the first opportunity to see Key's new build in game action. He wrote in a tweet this spring that he had bulked up to 255 pounds (listed at 238 by LSU) and I'm anxious to see if he maintains his burst/explosiveness.

 

Follow Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter @MoveTheSticks.

 

What I see is potential in Key. He's the same type of player Floyd was coming out. If Pace was enamored with Floyd, he should be enamored with Key.

 

Floyd: 6'6", 240lbs, 4.5 sacks, 17 sacks career

Key: 6'6", 240lbs, 4.0 sacks, 20 sacks career

 

They have the same type of explosion, and one would hope could be used to terrorize an opponent's QB.

[AZ54]

I've watched enough of Chubb to believe he's not quick enough to be a 3-4 OLB who can be relied upon to drop into coverage, and his pass rush skills are more suited to a hand in the dirt than standing on the edge. The scheme flexibility would be nice, but it's mainly to utilize his skills when using the traditional 4-3. The near consensus is that he fits best as a 4-3 DE, and is somewhat of a tweener for 3-4 defenses. I agree with that line of thought. He doesn't have the suddenness or speed, or ability to bend the edge, that guys like Floyd and Key have.

 

Having said all that, if he added 25lbs or so of muscle/bulk, I could see him as an Akiem Hicks counterpart. Or if he lost a little bit of weight, it could be interesting to see if he gained any more burst.

 

 

 

What I see is potential in Key. He's the same type of player Floyd was coming out. If Pace was enamored with Floyd, he should be enamored with Key.

 

Floyd: 6'6", 240lbs, 4.5 sacks, 17 sacks career

Key: 6'6", 240lbs, 4.0 sacks, 20 sacks career

 

They have the same type of explosion, and one would hope could be used to terrorize an opponent's QB.

 

No player intrigues me more than Key. He seems like a perfect fit for us. I believe he was primarily used up on the LOS most of his career whereas Floyd was moved all over the place from MLB/WLB/OLB/DE. Every time I watch his games he just doesn't beat anyone straight up. His sacks seem to be more coverage or when the QB is flushed his direction.

 

The player who impressed me last night was the OLB from Oklahoma: Okoronkwo He moved well around the field and even in coverage.

 

I should add that I watched Key's games from earlier in the season. Reportedly he was playing better in the last part of the season and Draftbreakdown should have those games broken down soon especially the bowl game.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

If Pace was enamored with Floyd, he should be enamored with Key. Floyd: 6'6", 240lbs, 4.5 sacks, 17 sacks career Key: 6'6", 240lbs, 4.0 sacks, 20 sacks career They have the same type of explosion, and one would hope could be used to terrorize an opponent's QB.

 

That would be an interesting dual. I wonder if Key will put up similar numbers at the combine as Floyd. All I can say is we need a "Key" to success and maybe he can be just that.

 

 

 

 

 

[AZ54]

Key played much better in this game against Alabama, which I had not yet seen. He shows a little bit of everything you'd like to see in an OLB.