Club Drub

[BearFan PHX]

I was thinking about this.

Can you imagine Bill Belichick having a dance party in the locker room after regular season wins?

How do you expect he would deal with players underperforming?

Can you even imagine him calling only 7 run plays in a game?

I was wondering about Nagy giving his playcalling duties over to the actual OC, and then he could focus on... what exactly...

Team culture, birds eye view etc? If anything is true it's that our culture is not pushing these guys to play well. It's WAY too permissive.

Pace has done a decent job stocking this roster. He missed on Trubisky. He's made some other bad calls too. But by and large, he has done a pretty good job of filling our roster.

Nagy has done an awful job of putting it on the field.

They start every game flat. Forget London - EVERY game.

They don't have a good offensive mix. They dont establish the run, and they dont get anyone into rhythm.

The players feel loved and safe. THey know they can make mistakes, and be forgiven and supported. Im sure it's MUCH nicer to be on a Matt Nagy team than a Bill Belichick team.

I LIKE Matt Nagy. I'd much rather have him as my next door neighbor than Bill Belichick.

Maybe that's the problem.

[madlithuanian]

I'd like to give Nagy more rope...   I think the issue is that he isn't a good play caller.  Give that up.  He didn't do a good job of it in KC (see that playoff game).  That said, his mentor, Reid, gave up those duties to him back then.  So, it wouldn't be out of character for him to relinquish duties to his OC.  I think Nagy quite possibly might be a very good overall general.  Just not a great in the trenches coach.  When his script run afoul, he is lost.  So, take the script away.  Give it to someone else.  Maybe he can see the forest from the trees when he's not dead set on a script.  

It's a thought.  More a hope.  I really don't want to start all over again.  I'm ok w/ moving from Tru if we have to.  But, doing the whole regime again all over again would just be so gut wrenching.  And no matter what, the Bears will not move quickly to make that change .  So it's in all our best interests that this is a learning situation that they grow stronger from. 

I'm not giving up hope for Nagy, Tru and Pace yet.  I'm super f'in' worried...   And it's not looking good.  But, stranger things have happened.  We've been so snake bit as an organization for decades now, that you'd like the law of averages would come our way one time. 

But I hear ya, club dub is now training wheels for babies.  Time to man up and play football and keep the dance party for the off season.  

 

 

 

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Funny, was thinking very similar thoughts these last few days. Thought that maybe his being too 'family oriented' although not a bad thing makes it difficult to make the tough calls.  Like Burton, like Long, like others we (as fans) have seen struggle and wonder why it is they're still on the field playing.  With Trubisky its a similar quandry but a tad more complex because not only can he not get him to perform, but he feels obligated to make him good.  Both for his own ego/resume and for Pace's viability.  As a few of us have pointed out, Pace put quite a bit of his own credibility and draft capital on the line to trade up to get Mitchell.  (By the way what was the concern again with SF possibly drafting Trubisky ahead of the Bears that precipitated Pace making that call? And how are they doing these days?).  

Anyone who has had the opportunity to supervise and lead people knows one of the biggest struggles is making the tough personnel calls.  Usually its in the realm of discipline or letting someone know they aren't cut out for the job.  Less than more are successful at doing this; it goes against human nature and is difficult to balance while still keeping your respect intact.  

Which brings me to another thought I had earlier today.  Pagano is similar to Nagy in his 'good guy' persona and wonder if the defense's falling off isn't partially due to their being coddled..if only a little?  Sure I get the fatigue factor and loss of a player like Hicks but when the defense was run by strict disciplinarians like Fangio and Marinelli they rarely accepted mediocre performance, let alone complete break downs.  Don't get me wrong, Pagano is a great coordinator and coach (his record proves that) but maybe there is TOO much of a good thing/vibe going on?  I read recently that in the last three losses Mack was nowhere to be found after the game.  The media, who he usually doesn't mind jawing with, noted he's become absent after each loss and 'not available' for comment.  You'd think a leader on the team should be willing to take the heat in trying times like this, if only to give the pat answers of 'we need to stay focused' and 'we have to move onto next week and get ready for (enter next opponent's name)'.  

"Club Drub" is an excellent title for this post and to be honest I'd be OK not to ever see another "club dub" again, even if they do win.  

[BearFan PHX]

I'll say this too. It seems like the the Bears stopped having urgency after the week Roquan held out and nothing bad happened to him.

I dont know why he didnt play. But if it was something stupid like the uniform and Nagy let it slide, then this is what happens.

Since then Smith has been giving 70% effort each week.

Im really sad to see this happening to our team.

Now, I said before and Ill repeat - even if I am willing to move on from Trubisky right now (and Im getting there) he still probably has the rest of the year. I will not fight agaisnt them turning it around if they do. I dont need to be right, I just want a team that dictates tempo. But this is atrocious, and I am very disappointed.

[adam]

More like Club Dud. 

It is part of a culture thing and Belichick has earned the respect to act any way he wants. I don't think many younger/newer coaches would get away with the things he does (not that they're wrong). Also, I don't know if the Club Dub thing was meant to be a permanent thing until the Bears started winning so much last year. If they alternated wins and losses every other game and ended at 7-9 or 8-8, I don't think Club Dub would've lasted. Like now, if we beat LAC, it may come back, but if we lose two, then win one, I doubt Club Dub is there anymore. The beat writers were even talking about it now that you would need a pretty decisive victory to even consider it again. 

It would look pretty silly for a 6-10 team to celebrate when they win 6 games in 4 months.

[BearFan PHX]

It just feels like a children's birthday party, and that may be very nice, but there is no accountability.

[adam]

1 minute ago, BearFan NYC said:

It just feels like a children's birthday party, and that may be very nice, but there is no accountability.

With half the guys under 6' it looks like one too.

[BearFan PHX]

ahahahahaha that's hilarious

[ASHKUM BEAR]

When Nagys approach worked, like last year, he was a genius or coach of the year. Now wheels are falling off and no one can pin point what it is and blame is landing everywhere. I think Nagy handing the play calling over would be a good start.  Let him concentrate on managing the whole system and making sure coaches and players are all on the same page. They need to mix the game up because it is predictable and people are paid to figure out tendencies.  This team is young and you fall on what you know which now the other team does too.  How long would it take to implement is the question. 

[BearFan PHX]

I'll tell you what. I'm not sure HOW you'd fix this. But they'd better find a way, or they are all on the hot seat.

This isnt just Trubisky - although he's regressed too.

This is a systematic failure. To come out that flat against the Saints after the loss to the Raiders and two weeks off to retool is a serious indictment of the soul of this team, and everyone is accountable for that.

[Connorbear]

Just an observation that Club Dub wasn't a big deal to anyone when they were in the middle of a winning season. I really don't care what they do after games. The play on the field matters and this past Sunday reminded me of Dr. Death's last year. They need to fix this.

Peace

[Alaskan Grizzly]

I’d say I was never a fan but it appeared to have worked last year. It’s hard to put a measure on how to be successful with the younger generation and this and a few other tinkers that Nagy was doing seemed to be hitting a chord.  But now he’s facing adversity and needs to figure out a way out of the woods.  It comes down to him having to make tough decisions at the expense of being everyone’s friend.  

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Connorbear said:

Just an observation that Club Dub wasn't a big deal to anyone when they were in the middle of a winning season. I really don't care what they do after games. The play on the field matters and this past Sunday reminded me of Dr. Death's last year. They need to fix this.

Peace

Of course I agree. If they were killing it on the field, then whatever theyre doing works.

But the thing is, they arent. They are dramatically underperforming. They have no fire. They look coddled.

I think the club dub culture Nagy has put in place isnt motivating the players to dig down deeper.

[madlithuanian]

And maybe his bald a$$ (as I am also bald) shouldn't be wearing visors...    Ballcap please.  Sorry, had to grasp at a straw!

[Bill]

2 hours ago, Connorbear said:

Just an observation that Club Dub wasn't a big deal to anyone when they were in the middle of a winning season. I really don't care what they do after games. The play on the field matters and this past Sunday reminded me of Dr. Death's last year. They need to fix this.

Peace

I could not agree more and have said so many times.  Other than losing the locker room it looks the same.  I also think that a coach and GM need three years to fully put their team together so I'm not ready to dump either till after next.  But I think it's time to find a new QB sooner rather than later.  Play him the rest of the year, were not going to get a better option now.  But I also no long trust him no matter how well he plays.  Maybe I'm wrong.

[BearFan2000]

On 10/23/2019 at 10:37 AM, Connorbear said:

Just an observation that Club Dub wasn't a big deal to anyone when they were in the middle of a winning season. I really don't care what they do after games. The play on the field matters and this past Sunday reminded me of Dr. Death's last year. They need to fix this.

Peace

I agree and it's easy to point to things like this.  Club Dub wasn't even a thing till they started getting on a roll and winning.  In order to do things like that you have to earn it on the field and they were by winning so I had no problem with that as it seemed to help motivate them to keep winning.  When they are in their proper place and perspective those things aren't wrong and gave the team a personality and a swagger.  But this year things like that should be the last thing on their mind and would be highly inappropriate like celebrating a sack when your getting blown out.  At 3-4 we look like a team that just assumed it would take the next step and walk into the season and dominate.  Last years success I feel made the team a bit arrogant and stumbling out of the gate is probably the last thing they expected. They look frustrated, and lost.  What they need to do is get back to the basics do the little things, put in the work and rediscover your identity. Cut the crap and figure out how to get refocused.  Easier said than done but there is way too much talent on this team to be playing this poorly in nearly every aspect. You can't truly start heal till you stop the bleeding.  If that means simplifying till you find what works and build on that.  Last year was last year that won't help you this year. Part of going from a team struggling to win year in and year out is learning how to maintain success year to year.  Perennial playoff teams know how to do this, and self correct when they start slow.  We had one good season last year but you can't get satisfied and assume that will just continue without putting in extra effort to reach higher.  It's hard to watch as a fan that had high expectations of possibly seeing the Bears in the running for a SB to watch this mess of a team.  Playoffs which we thought would be a given this year, seem less and less likely.  I hated hearing pundits/"experts" pick us to be the playoff team to miss this year, thinking, it's just the usual hate/disrespect we've come to expect.  Playoffs could still happen, teams have recovered from starts like this, the talent is there, but they've dug a hole for themselves.  Outside of a monumental stumble within the division our best hope would be a wildcard spot.  The way the rest of this season plays out has far more reaching impact potential than playoffs this season, either positively or negatively.  If we can right the ship this season whether or not that is enough to make the post season this year it at least gives hope going into next year.  If we can't things could get ugly fast.  Either way they've got their work cut out for them can they regroup? I don't know, but the status quo is not going to cut it.  Time for a serious gut check, and honest look in the mirror.  They have no one to blame but themselves.  

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Agree Bear Fan. If the ever increasing boos on your own field aren’t convincing enough, then I don’t know what will wake these guys up.  And we all wonder why the national media almost mocks the Bears when they do well and challenges them by ‘ignoring’ them.  Like MadLith said in another post, until they are able to string more than one winning season together they aren’t worthy of national respect.