Thoughts on Fixing This Team...

[Mongo3451]

There are many good players on this team, so let's fix it.  My thoughts are simple and always have been.

We start by fixing the OL.  Spend two high draft picks on OL.  Spend one on QB.  After that, draft speed on D.

Clearly, Nagy has struggled this year and nobody is looking at Helfrich.  I suggest Nagy hire a more conservative OC to balance his mad scientist style.  I believe Helfrich is not a counter balance.  Then, Nagy has to listen.

On defense, Pagano needs to find his inner Fangio on defense.  We heard how aggressive Pagano is.  I haven't seen it.

Lastly, stop trading up.  It rarely works and sends an instant message to the drafted player saying, "we think you are this great".

This team needs taken to the wood shed this off-season.  They have talent and know it.  Sometime that is the problem.  Funny be afraid to cut dead weight.

 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

We need a run-control, play action passing, physical offense. That includes a strong oline, etc. I don't think they need an elite QB to win, but they do need an offense that will protect the ball, play physical, win the TOP battle, and get enough points to allow the defense to play to its strength.  I truly think Mitch could have absolutely been that guy, but he's been completely broken.  

[AZ54]

20 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

We need a run-control, play action passing, physical offense. That includes a strong oline, etc. I don't think they need an elite QB to win, but they do need an offense that will protect the ball, play physical, win the TOP battle, and get enough points to allow the defense to play to its strength.  I truly think Mitch could have absolutely been that guy, but he's been completely broken.  

The one who is broken in the head coach and he's spreading it across the entire team.  Even the defense is now making boneheaded mistake after boneheaded mistake.   He needs to quit hiding behind his QB for all the offensive woes because he's really torn down Mitch's confidence.   If we just had the Mitch we had in to start the 2nd half of the season last year we'd be ok.  Fans would still be bitchin' because ...you know he missed a pass or two despite his 66% completions.   Point here is we shouldn't be totally shocked to see a very young team get smitten with themselves and believe it was "easy" to be good.  Take that into the preseason with a HC who tells them they are good enough to win and don't need any practice snaps during preseason games.  Then when your QB struggles in the first week let it all fall on his shoulders when clearly the entire offense was out of sync.  Follow that later in the season by telling your QB to go look at the TV copy to see how he is carry himself.  Yep, that'll fix it.  If he wants to see someone who needs help why didn't Nagy go look at film of his post game press conferences?   It starts there.   

So we arrive in Week 9 with a team with little confidence in themselves.  We see mistakes all over the field both offense and defense early on.  Yet despite that I think the 2nd half was the most complete 30min this team has put together this season considering both offense and defense.  Not to say it was perfect just that we had good plays on both sides of the ball and from many different players including Mitch and there was some good energy.  Nagy has to bottle that up and build their confidence in themselves.  

I still think Mitch can play winning football in the NFL.  He needs a good Oline and running game but so do most QBs in the NFL except for the elite.  Believe it or not even Mahomes completion % falls way off, about 10%, when his running game struggles.  I just don't know if Mitch can do that here where fans panic over every incompletion.  That clearly is something he struggles with mentally.  The reality is all QBs and all offense have these same gaps they just don't have such a small margin of error and can still get successful plays.  So to fix it...

1)  We need a good OT either left or right side.   They might sit behind Leno/Massie to start the season but this has to be addressed.   It's still possible Coward is that guy and his experience playing inside this year gets him ready for the LT spot.  Regardless we're drafting an OT early.  

2) Draft a good TE in Rd 2/3.  This offense is broken without an effective TE, and that was blatantly obvious with Ertz on Sunday.  It was clear last year in the playoff game too.  Or KCs playoff game when they lost Kelce.  Maybe the bigger problem is Nagy doesn't know how to call plays without a receiving TE.  Either way we need to fix TE.  I think Burton will eventually get his speed and agility back but this late in the season we might not see that until next year.    

3)  Draft OLB in Rd 2/3.  Re-sign Floyd to a lower contract, he's very valuable and makes more plays than he is given credit for but he's not getting the sacks we need opposite Mack.  Let Floyd handle 1st and 2nd down where he's really good and find a pass rush specialist who can't play the run (they drop) and plug him in on 3rd downs.  

4)  Fire Chris Tabor.   Hire Dave Toub's protege.  Special teams makes too many mistakes even giving up blocked punts.  

5)  Give Matt Nagy a new contract that requires him to ensure David Montgomery has to have 20 touches every game.  

6)  Give Akiem Hicks a big bear hug when he returns from injury.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

The fact of the matter is, Trubisky needs some sort of reset.  I’m fairly certain he’ll never be any better than a mediocre QB and probably will be relegated to career backup status sometime in the next year or two.  If he was able to set the reset to the Alex Smith level then maybe he’d be a good crossover QB until the Bears can find an actual Franchise level QB.  

Look no further than this years stats where Daniel (himself a career back up) has managed 7.1 ypg (to Trubiskys 5.6) with a 73.3 completion % (63 for Trubisky) 213 ypg (173.9 Trub) and carries a 95 rating to Trubisky’s 80.

Remember when Trubisky was in college it took him almost three years to supplant Marquise Williams as QB.  And that was only because Williams graduated.  Where is Williams these days?

I’ll agree some of the other pieces of the team are being affected by the play of some on offense and some of it can be due to Nagys inability to make the right calls at the right time.  But when a player gets in there who can decipher what the defense is presenting, go through his progressions and not make dumb mistakes his positive plays will influence others to play better.  Effective passing will open effective running.  And offensive ball control will help the defense rest and keep up tempo and get back to where they’ve been before.  One positive to the defense’s play so far is that in the NFC North they have given up the least amount of points (144).  Problem is, the offense has only produced 142.  

[Stinger226]

Next year we have    our own picks  2nd  5th 6th and 7th. Also Oakland's 2nd  and the Eagles 6th that will probably end up being a 5th.

So when we talk about needs, we have 2 that can address our needs and the rest are drafted as developmental  prospects. With 2 5th s we get one that surprises up for being a potential starter. So our needs are QB, TE, OL and cornerback as I look at it. 

It will have to be in the second round so with the other pick it will be the BPA at the other needs. So we will have to count on people already on the team to replace areas of need. 

QB- we have none, definitely have to draft one and pick one up in FA.

TE- Will draft one but may not be in the first two rounds. We have Shaheen ( that will probably be cut) Burton( who I think still has injury issues) Brauneker (special teams guy) Sowell(not destined to be on the roster) Holtz (some value as a backup) Raymond( on IR so we dont know what we have) Horsted ( we need to put him on the roster and see what he can do)

OL- Whitehair is probably playing the best on the OL right now. Daniels has struggled but will be our OC for the future, Leno and Massie has been very disappointing but have contracts that suggests they are not going anywhere. Coward has had some good moments and many mistakes but thing he will end up being descent going forward. Our improvement has to come from Bars-Lucas and Mustiper and hope they develop into starters going forward. Will probably draft one but I doubt with our first 2 picks.

DB- Fuller is still playing at a high level, HaHa is playing well(but will be leaving due to more money), Skine has actually played well, Prince will be gone so we can save 8 mil in cap, Next year we will draft a S or DB high but I think the starters will come with people on our current team. I suspect we resign Bush and he takes Ha Has spot, the CB starter will have to be between Shelly and Tolliver. Denmark and Joesph are on the PS so I suspect they will be moved up to the roster.

 

Next year Trevathan will be without contract. I think we try to resign him at a team friendly contract, but we may have to use one of our 2s to draft a ILB. We have to resign Bush, RRH and I think we get that done.

The defense has played bad at times but is still the teams strength.

[adam]

 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

DB- Fuller is still playing at a high level, HaHa is playing well(but will be leaving due to more money), Skine has actually played well, Prince will be gone so we can save 8 mil in cap, Next year we will draft a S or DB high but I think the starters will come with people on our current team. I suspect we resign Bush and he takes Ha Has spot, the CB starter will have to be between Shelly and Tolliver. Denmark and Joesph are on the PS so I suspect they will be moved up to the roster.

Isn't it crazy that Jackson has become an afterthought? The crazier part, HaHa has played better than Jackson this season. Jackson is getting burnt left and right and has made zero impactful plays. He got trucked by Howard on a Run Blitz in the hole. Embarrassing. 

[Mongo3451]

10 hours ago, AZ54 said:

The one who is broken in the head coach and he's spreading it across the entire team. 

Loved every part of it!  

[madlithuanian]

18 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

There are many good players on this team, so let's fix it.  My thoughts are simple and always have been.

We start by fixing the OL.  Spend two high draft picks on OL.  Spend one on QB.  After that, draft speed on D.

Clearly, Nagy has struggled this year and nobody is looking at Helfrich.  I suggest Nagy hire a more conservative OC to balance his mad scientist style.  I believe Helfrich is not a counter balance.  Then, Nagy has to listen.

On defense, Pagano needs to find his inner Fangio on defense.  We heard how aggressive Pagano is.  I haven't seen it.

Lastly, stop trading up.  It rarely works and sends an instant message to the drafted player saying, "we think you are this great".

This team needs taken to the wood shed this off-season.  They have talent and know it.  Sometime that is the problem.  Funny be afraid to cut dead weight.

 

Your fixes would certainly improve the situation.  But, I fear the problem is Pace & Nagy...

[DABEARSDABOMB]

18 hours ago, AZ54 said:

The one who is broken in the head coach and he's spreading it across the entire team.  Even the defense is now making boneheaded mistake after boneheaded mistake.   He needs to quit hiding behind his QB for all the offensive woes because he's really torn down Mitch's confidence.   If we just had the Mitch we had in to start the 2nd half of the season last year we'd be ok.  Fans would still be bitchin' because ...you know he missed a pass or two despite his 66% completions.   Point here is we shouldn't be totally shocked to see a very young team get smitten with themselves and believe it was "easy" to be good.  Take that into the preseason with a HC who tells them they are good enough to win and don't need any practice snaps during preseason games.  Then when your QB struggles in the first week let it all fall on his shoulders when clearly the entire offense was out of sync.  Follow that later in the season by telling your QB to go look at the TV copy to see how he is carry himself.  Yep, that'll fix it.  If he wants to see someone who needs help why didn't Nagy go look at film of his post game press conferences?   It starts there.   

So we arrive in Week 9 with a team with little confidence in themselves.  We see mistakes all over the field both offense and defense early on.  Yet despite that I think the 2nd half was the most complete 30min this team has put together this season considering both offense and defense.  Not to say it was perfect just that we had good plays on both sides of the ball and from many different players including Mitch and there was some good energy.  Nagy has to bottle that up and build their confidence in themselves.  

I still think Mitch can play winning football in the NFL.  He needs a good Oline and running game but so do most QBs in the NFL except for the elite.  Believe it or not even Mahomes completion % falls way off, about 10%, when his running game struggles.  I just don't know if Mitch can do that here where fans panic over every incompletion.  That clearly is something he struggles with mentally.  The reality is all QBs and all offense have these same gaps they just don't have such a small margin of error and can still get successful plays.  So to fix it...

1)  We need a good OT either left or right side.   They might sit behind Leno/Massie to start the season but this has to be addressed.   It's still possible Coward is that guy and his experience playing inside this year gets him ready for the LT spot.  Regardless we're drafting an OT early.  

2) Draft a good TE in Rd 2/3.  This offense is broken without an effective TE, and that was blatantly obvious with Ertz on Sunday.  It was clear last year in the playoff game too.  Or KCs playoff game when they lost Kelce.  Maybe the bigger problem is Nagy doesn't know how to call plays without a receiving TE.  Either way we need to fix TE.  I think Burton will eventually get his speed and agility back but this late in the season we might not see that until next year.    

3)  Draft OLB in Rd 2/3.  Re-sign Floyd to a lower contract, he's very valuable and makes more plays than he is given credit for but he's not getting the sacks we need opposite Mack.  Let Floyd handle 1st and 2nd down where he's really good and find a pass rush specialist who can't play the run (they drop) and plug him in on 3rd downs.  

4)  Fire Chris Tabor.   Hire Dave Toub's protege.  Special teams makes too many mistakes even giving up blocked punts.  

5)  Give Matt Nagy a new contract that requires him to ensure David Montgomery has to have 20 touches every game.  

6)  Give Akiem Hicks a big bear hug when he returns from injury.

I agree with everything you said about the head coach.  

[Stinger226]

How do you go from coach of the year to where we are now? Tough question. I think he is somewhere in between. He's definitely not going anywhere. I think he is caught in the middle of running his offense because he doesnt trust MT to being to stubborn to change what he wants to do and should do. He will figure it out, he is slowly going to the run game but still puts MT in the position of trying to do to much and he fails. Most good coaches adjust to their players, he is flailing in that so far.

[madlithuanian]

6 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

How do you go from coach of the year to where we are now? Tough question. I think he is somewhere in between. He's definitely not going anywhere. I think he is caught in the middle of running his offense because he doesnt trust MT to being to stubborn to change what he wants to do and should do. He will figure it out, he is slowly going to the run game but still puts MT in the position of trying to do to much and he fails. Most good coaches adjust to their players, he is flailing in that so far.

It was smoke & Mirrors last year.  He was a dynamic, fun, positive coach.  And the results showed that our team looked massively improved.  But, now that the curtain has been pulled back...he's just another Tony Robbins rah-rah guy.  

He'll get a lot of rope to fail and we'll have to endure it.  

 

Honestly, I have so little faith in this franchise, and I vow the following:

 

1.  I will never again have hope at the beginning of any season until they have 2 winning seasons in a row.

2.  I will never gain buy a shirt or jersey of any player that is not in the HoF (ie. Url, Butkus, Walter), or a Bears legend (Tillman, McMahon, etc.)

3.  I will still keep watching and caring.  Regardless of how crummy, I just can't quit you, Bears!  But, I will complain about it!

[BearFan PHX]

9 minutes ago, madlithuanian said:

It was smoke & Mirrors last year.  He was a dynamic, fun, positive coach.  And the results showed that our team looked massively improved.  But, now that the curtain has been pulled back...he's just another Tony Robbins rah-rah guy.  

He'll get a lot of rope to fail and we'll have to endure it.  

 

Honestly, I have so little faith in this franchise, and I vow the following:

 

1.  I will never again have hope at the beginning of any season until they have 2 winning seasons in a row.

2.  I will never gain buy a shirt or jersey of any player that is not in the HoF (ie. Url, Butkus, Walter), or a Bears legend (Tillman, McMahon, etc.)

3.  I will still keep watching and caring.  Regardless of how crummy, I just can't quit you, Bears!  But, I will complain about it!

totally. exactly.

This is CRAP, and the only thing that is real is when you see it on the field for several games in a row.

[Bill]

3.  I will still keep watching and caring.  Regardless of how crummy, I just can't quit you, Bears!  But, I will complain about it!

 

Can't agree more just thinks this says it best for me.

 

"I-I, I can't quit you, babe
So I'm gonna put you down for a while
I said I can't quit you, babe
I guess I got to put you down for a while
Said, you messed up my happy home
Made me mistreat my only child
Yes, you did, babe, oh" 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

1 hour ago, BearFan NYC said:

totally. exactly.

This is CRAP, and the only thing that is real is when you see it on the field for several games in a row.

I think his personality works as a head coach. The real issue to me is, he needs a guy who can be 100% focused on the offense as well, who will truly challenge him and/or could be a really good run coordinator.  Maybe it would work a bit better.  I think Nagy is smart...but he's been too cute and too stubborn on things.  

[BearFan PHX]

30 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

I think his personality works as a head coach. The real issue to me is, he needs a guy who can be 100% focused on the offense as well, who will truly challenge him and/or could be a really good run coordinator.  Maybe it would work a bit better.  I think Nagy is smart...but he's been too cute and too stubborn on things.  

OK, so looking at his head coaching style, he's created a coddled childlike atmosphere. Hes done what he can to reduce pressure on players. Im not really sure that competitive people respond best to that kind of environment.

i bet he is an AMAZING father. He seems like a REALLY nice guy. I LIKE him. But I dont think it works as a football coach. I dont think he is any better than Childress or Pagano would be. They would do it differently, and there is no reason to believe we would lose anything in doing it the way most teams do it, and possibly there will be a real advantage.

I wish that Nagys way worked, but it doesnt.

Bill Belichick doesnt give his players a disco dance party with cookies and juice boxes for winning a regular season game. Honestly he may have been trying to support his players, but in the end, he made them into children.

This is the polar opposite of Bill Parcells or Mike Ditka, and they seem to have been able to motivate a team too. And many others.

Ernie Accorsi hired Pace for us, because it was all Parcells tree culture. Nagy fit because he was a Reid disciple and Reid was a Parcells guy. Thats why we went to the 3-4 - so we wouldnt be a team floundering for identity, but one with an ongoing culture. You want your scouts and coaches to all think of each position in the same way. And that is, through generations of translation, the Parcells way.

Andy Reid allows a tricky offense too. But they DO run the ball in power schemes too, blocking the man in front of you.

Andy Reid does not have locker room dance parties.

Andy Reid did not allow Nagy to call plays until he was ready to let him leave (was it all just being a good friend to Nagy? Or was he over him?) and when Nagy DID call the plays, he cost them a playoff victory - and everyone including Nagy is on the record that he got away from the run. last year too. this year too.

So if he isnt a play caller, and his culture is crap, then why keep him?

You HAVE to change something. There is blame to go around. It's not just Nagy. But he isnt doing anything to help either.

You have two choices: blow it ALL up Pace down, or change something and try to salvage a piece.

If you choose to blow it up then this conversation doesnt matter, and we can talk again in three years when we have a roster.

OR

If you wanna keep some stuff, you fire Nagy NOW, and give the rest of the team a chance to see if Trubisky can hand the ball off and run a regular offense.

If you wanna keep the defense and the coordinator, you have to promote from within. That means Pagano or Childress. If they can win some 17-13 defensive ball control running games, then you have hope for next year, and a chance to look at the QB position in the offseason.

If this was a movie, or an episode of House of Cards, Id say Childress got in Nagys ear and told him to "be you" so he could get Nagy fired and take over LOL

But in the end I heard a commentator say "not BE YOU but BE US - call plays that work with your players, dont be so stubborn and make them fit into your offense"

I dont hate Nagy the man, but Nagy the coach is best fired this week. Right now.

What is good about him too keep? That hes nice? He IS! so what? Is that necessary in a football coach? Or even more directly is it the PRIMARY SKILL of a football coach? becasue it seems that is all he really has to offer.

Seriously fire Nagy today.

 

[Bill]

"Seriously fire Nagy today."

 

Win lose or draw.  Firing the reigning Coach of The Year award winner eight weeks into his second year.  That's not going to happen.  Even if it's the right thing to do, which I am not sure of week nine.  

[Mongo3451]

Damn boys, give Nagy time to lick his wounds.  If he's as great of a young coach as Reid says he is he'll figure it out.  Also, we were applauding Pace last year.  I'm in for both of them next year.  If I don't see growth, then I'm out.

Edited November 7, 2019 by Mongo3451

[AZ54]

24 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Damn boys, give Nagy time to lick his wounds.  If he's as great of a young coach as Reid says he is he'll figure it out.  Also, we were applauding Pace last year.  I'm in for both of them next year.  If I don't see growth, then I'm out.

I've been critical of Nagy but he does deserve time to learn and fix this.  Some of what he has said lately makes me think he's starting to see the light.  Proof will come in the form of his play calling and post-game press conference.  

[BearFan PHX]

OK, but just understand, Im not saying to fire him because I am angry, and I really do like the guy.

I'm saying I have reached the point where I believe he is not our future.

So then thinking about the future, like I said you either blow it all up or you try to salvage some pieces.

If youre gonna salvage pieces, then Pace stays and youre gonna promote from within.

If youre gonna do that, give the new coach, Pagano or Childress half a season to work with Trubisky now so you can make decisions this offseason at QB instead of waiting another season to figure out what Pagano or Childress can do with Trubisky.

If you dont fire Nagy now, then you have to burn next year to do what you could do now.

The playoffs are not in the picture for us this year, so let's get a mini second season in and move this rebuilding project ahead by a year.

If, on the other hand, you do nothing, and give Nagy the rest of this season, then Pace is porbably on the line too and you're either gonna blow it all up, or spend next season doing what we could do right now.

If Nagy lays another crap running egg against the Lions, you gotta let him go. Even if the passing game is awful, if he cant run at all, it's gotta be over.

I'm not saying it will be. These guys may all go down with the ship together and call it loyalty and character. but if that happens, then theyre probably all going together and the odds of keeping the defense together diminished greatly.
 

[madlithuanian]

15 hours ago, BearFan NYC said:

OK, but just understand, Im not saying to fire him because I am angry, and I really do like the guy.

I'm saying I have reached the point where I believe he is not our future.

So then thinking about the future, like I said you either blow it all up or you try to salvage some pieces.

If youre gonna salvage pieces, then Pace stays and youre gonna promote from within.

If youre gonna do that, give the new coach, Pagano or Childress half a season to work with Trubisky now so you can make decisions this offseason at QB instead of waiting another season to figure out what Pagano or Childress can do with Trubisky.

If you dont fire Nagy now, then you have to burn next year to do what you could do now.

The playoffs are not in the picture for us this year, so let's get a mini second season in and move this rebuilding project ahead by a year.

If, on the other hand, you do nothing, and give Nagy the rest of this season, then Pace is porbably on the line too and you're either gonna blow it all up, or spend next season doing what we could do right now.

If Nagy lays another crap running egg against the Lions, you gotta let him go. Even if the passing game is awful, if he cant run at all, it's gotta be over.

I'm not saying it will be. These guys may all go down with the ship together and call it loyalty and character. but if that happens, then theyre probably all going together and the odds of keeping the defense together diminished greatly.
 

As much as you'd want, the one thing the Bears will never do, barring something truly odd (like a murder charge), is fire a HC or GM mid season.  

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, madlithuanian said:

As much as you'd want, the one thing the Bears will never do, barring something truly odd (like a murder charge), is fire a HC or GM mid season.  

I tend to agree, but Washington fired Gruden already, and if they dont it's going to cost them another year.

*IF* however you are totally 100% ready to move on from Trubisky, then fine, you don't need to fire Nagy mid season. But you lose all chance at seeing if a change of system would possibly save his career.

Also, If you know you're going to fire everyone, Pace on down at the end of the year, then no reason to pull the plug now.

BUT - if you're hoping to salvage any part of this team and staff, and aim to promote within, then it makes sense to fire Nagy now, and use the second half of the season to see what you can get out of the remaining staff, rather than burning next year to do that. Thats my point.

 

[madlithuanian]

2 hours ago, BearFan NYC said:

I tend to agree, but Washington fired Gruden already, and if they dont it's going to cost them another year.

*IF* however you are totally 100% ready to move on from Trubisky, then fine, you don't need to fire Nagy mid season. But you lose all chance at seeing if a change of system would possibly save his career.

Also, If you know you're going to fire everyone, Pace on down at the end of the year, then no reason to pull the plug now.

BUT - if you're hoping to salvage any part of this team and staff, and aim to promote within, then it makes sense to fire Nagy now, and use the second half of the season to see what you can get out of the remaining staff, rather than burning next year to do that. Thats my point.

 

I understand the desire to clean house.  It's just that it won't happen in reality.  No major change will happen until season's end.  Testman was off the rails and they waited that one out.  In this case, just last year, there was success.

[Connorbear]

1 minute ago, madlithuanian said:

I understand the desire to clean house.  It's just that it won't happen in reality.  No major change will happen until season's end.  Testman was off the rails and they waited that one out.  In this case, just last year, there was success.

This is my view. Trestman lost 2 games in a row giving up 50+ points in each and his players and staff completely deserted him. Aaron Kromer threw Cutler under the bus.  Nagy's not going anywhere at this time. 

Peace

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, madlithuanian said:

I understand the desire to clean house.  It's just that it won't happen in reality.  No major change will happen until season's end.  Testman was off the rails and they waited that one out.  In this case, just last year, there was success.

yeah, actually Im talking about NOT cleaning house.

If youre gonna clean house, then it doesnt matter, let the season finish and fire them all from Pace on down then, like normal.

But if you do that, you lose the defense, and it takes 4 years until youre OK, and Mack is gone by then.

Im saying that *IF* you want to salvage some of this team, then you have to promote from within. And the natural question for next year will be - is Trubisky salvageable with a different coach and a running game etc?

Im saying if you fire Nagy now, you get to do what you might do next year now this year, and then you have a much better plan going into the offseason. You basically save a year.

Now it may be that both Nagy and Trubisky will be gone next year. But if you let this go on, then you are putting a weight on next year that could be dealt with now. Its not like we are going to the playoffs. S maybe we fire Nagy, promote Childress or Pagano, and give them an audition to save the rest of the team, and then this year becomes the PRESEASON WE NEVER HAD.

I know it's unlikely. I understand why they are going to do it your way.

But that means they are either gonna blow it all up, or limp through next year and THEN blow it all up.

The power move here is to fire Nagy and give whats left an audition.

There is another path too - Nagy could bench Trubisky, and then put some good games together with Daniel and prove that his offense works and it's all Trubisky. But since it's obvious Nagy won't abandon Trubisky, the only smart option *IF* you want to salvage this team, is to fire Nagy now.

Again, if youre gonna fire them ALL after the season anyway, then what Im saying doesnt matter.

And just to be clear this isnt revenge or punishment. Its just about what the best moves available for the team are in my opinion

[madlithuanian]

18 hours ago, BearFan NYC said:

yeah, actually Im talking about NOT cleaning house.

If youre gonna clean house, then it doesnt matter, let the season finish and fire them all from Pace on down then, like normal.

But if you do that, you lose the defense, and it takes 4 years until youre OK, and Mack is gone by then.

Im saying that *IF* you want to salvage some of this team, then you have to promote from within. And the natural question for next year will be - is Trubisky salvageable with a different coach and a running game etc?

Im saying if you fire Nagy now, you get to do what you might do next year now this year, and then you have a much better plan going into the offseason. You basically save a year.

Now it may be that both Nagy and Trubisky will be gone next year. But if you let this go on, then you are putting a weight on next year that could be dealt with now. Its not like we are going to the playoffs. S maybe we fire Nagy, promote Childress or Pagano, and give them an audition to save the rest of the team, and then this year becomes the PRESEASON WE NEVER HAD.

I know it's unlikely. I understand why they are going to do it your way.

But that means they are either gonna blow it all up, or limp through next year and THEN blow it all up.

The power move here is to fire Nagy and give whats left an audition.

There is another path too - Nagy could bench Trubisky, and then put some good games together with Daniel and prove that his offense works and it's all Trubisky. But since it's obvious Nagy won't abandon Trubisky, the only smart option *IF* you want to salvage this team, is to fire Nagy now.

Again, if youre gonna fire them ALL after the season anyway, then what Im saying doesnt matter.

And just to be clear this isnt revenge or punishment. Its just about what the best moves available for the team are in my opinion

I hear you and I too "want" a change.  But it's just not going to happen in-season.  

We will limp through as we always do.  Leopards don't change their spots.  I think we can all stomach a fail w/Tru.  Finding out Nagy is a bust would really set us back.  I even think a new GM isn't that big of a deal.  Changing a coaching staff sets us back.  If Pace can't draft first rounders, we can hope he hired the right coach still.