Chuck Pagano

[McGowan]

I want to say that I'm not a fan of Pagano. I think he's more conservative than Fangio, and Fangio was too conservative for my liking. 

Pagano goes into a damn prevent half way through the 3rd quarter with a lead. He makes easy wins too interesting. Look no further than the Dallas game for proof. 

I'm very disappointed in his first season as I was expecting a more aggressive DC than Fangio. 

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Elgin Slim said:

I want to say that I'm not a fan of Pagano. I think he's more conservative than Fangio, and Fangio was too conservative for my liking. 

Pagano goes into a damn prevent half way through the 3rd quarter with a lead. He makes easy wins too interesting. Look no further than the Dallas game for proof. 

I'm very disappointed in his first season as I was expecting a more aggressive DC than Fangio. 

people hate seeing it, but until we lose a game that we had a big lead in and went into prevent too early, it's hard to complain and know that youre right.

I dont know if you can use those scenarios as evidence of how aggressive a coach he is. The book on him is that he would blitz more than Fangio.

Obviously, injuries decimated the defense and we were still pretty good.

I think Pagano is fine, and the offense needs to score points.

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

57 minutes ago, BearFan NYC said:

people hate seeing it, but until we lose a game that we had a big lead in and went into prevent too early, it's hard to complain and know that youre right.

I dont know if you can use those scenarios as evidence of how aggressive a coach he is. The book on him is that he would blitz more than Fangio.

Obviously, injuries decimated the defense and we were still pretty good.

I think Pagano is fine, and the offense needs to score points.

 

To go further...you really cannot attack until you have the lead and it wasn't often they had a chance to.  When you attack, you leave someone open. Pagano was fine for what he was dealt 

[AZ54]

Fix the pass rush and everything will be better.  Without Hicks' inside pressure Mack was easily contained and Floyd never showed up at the QB.  Blitzes worked quite often but we were also missing both starting ILB toward the end of the season.  For that very brief time when Hicks returned it was surprising how much better the D looked.  I didn't like seeing Fuller stay so far off the LOS last year.  I know he likes to play off the LOS but too often he just gave up easy first downs.  I felt Pagano would correct that stuff.  Eddie Jackson didn't play as well last year as the year before either.  Secondary play was really my biggest disappointment from Pagano given the hype about his secondary coaching experience.  

[Alaskan Grizzly]

5 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Secondary play was really my biggest disappointment from Pagano given the hype about his secondary coaching experience.

I think with the hopeful loss of Amukamara and potential replacement of HHCD we’ll see some better performance there.   FWIW I don’t like Bush back there as a fill in (let alone starter).  Seems the few times I recall him there he was getting burnt at key moments.  At least one of those was for a score.  
 

I think with the hand he was dealt due to losing so many key players; the defense performed really well.  I also like that there may be a future star discovered in Kevin Pierre Louis.  I would be really intrigued to see him line up at OLB opposite Mack.  

[Mongo3451]

31 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:

I also like that there may be a future star discovered in Kevin Pierre Louis.  I would be really intrigued to see him line up at OLB opposite Mack.  

That's an interesting thought.  I haven't pictured him in the OLB role.  Not sure if he has the size, but he is a tazmanian devil of a player.

[adam]

32 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

That's an interesting thought.  I haven't pictured him in the OLB role.  Not sure if he has the size, but he is a tazmanian devil of a player.

Yeah, I would rather go with KPL than Floyd. KPL seems to be better all-around than Floyd, and he will be cheaper. You can then pair Smith with Kwit for the inside. 

[Alaskan Grizzly]

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

That's an interesting thought.  I haven't pictured him in the OLB role.  Not sure if he has the size, but he is a tazmanian devil of a player.

Wish I could take credit for it but saw it another site somewhere.  Makes sense.  He’s a tenacious player and has good sideline to sideline speed which is good if you need him to drop back on passes; like they are known to do from time to time.  Thought he was a converted safety but can’t find a link to confirm that.  Anyhow, I agree that he’d be a great fit there.  

[BearFan PHX]

I dunno if KPL has the "bend" and length you need to play OLB in a 3-4.

The Lance Briggs 4-3 OLB type is one of the middle linebackers in a 3-4. The OLB are more akin to a DE in a 4-3, they can be a little lighter, but they have to be tall and have bend.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

44 minutes ago, BearFan NYC said:

I dunno if KPL has the "bend" and length you need to play OLB in a 3-4.

The Lance Briggs 4-3 OLB type is one of the middle linebackers in a 3-4. The OLB are more akin to a DE in a 4-3, they can be a little lighter, but they have to be tall and have bend.

He’s on the shorter side at 6’1 230# but not a lot shorter than Von Miller at 6’3 250# or even Mack at 6’3 270#.  I think in his advantage he’s got raw speed and like Mongo said ‘drive and determination’.  Something lacking a lot of the time from Floyd. 

[AZ54]

3 hours ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:

He’s on the shorter side at 6’1 230# but not a lot shorter than Von Miller at 6’3 250# or even Mack at 6’3 270#.  I think in his advantage he’s got raw speed and like Mongo said ‘drive and determination’.  Something lacking a lot of the time from Floyd. 

KPL surprised me and did ok as an occasional pass rusher.  He is not an OLB in 3-4 front but he can provide versatility in rush packages when we are in a 4-3 front, or even from the 3-man front if he's paired with Smith.  It's hard to say we'd miss Trevathan if we just spent similar money on Kwit/KPL.   Woods also looked more comfortable in coverage last year and hopefully his development takes another step forward in run support this year.