Pace and Nagy talk speak

[Stinger226]

Two things stood out to me when they spoke at the combine. 

Pace didn't make a total commitment to MT ( put off fifth year option until May)and spoke on the effort of improving the OL and TE spots besides potentially fixing the QB problem. 

Tells me he will add both draft picks and vets to get that done at TE and OL. Also that he has a plan at QB that if it materialized, he would move on from MT. 

Nagy said that he needed to adopt the offensive scheme to his personal. So had he did that last year, we may have had 2 or 3 more victories. 

 

 

[Alaskan Grizzly]

21 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Pace didn't make a total commitment to MT ( put off fifth year option until May)and spoke on the effort of improving the OL and TE spots besides potentially fixing the QB problem. 

I guess I don’t really understand the fifth year option when you say it doesn’t have to be decided on until May.  I assume that has something to do with the season calendar but why would you want to say whether you’d commit to his fifth year before going into his ‘make or break’ 4th year?  If you commit to that 5th year too early then aren’t you stuck with him that 5th year?  Regardless of how he does this coming year?  ?

[BearFan PHX]

I dunno if you can believe anything Pace says at this time of year - and that's as it should be.

I agree with Stinger that he probably has a bunch of contingencies, and some of the include moving on from Mitch.

So, we will just see how everything falls.

(And replace Leno of course) hahahaha

[AZ54]

1 hour ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:

I guess I don’t really understand the fifth year option when you say it doesn’t have to be decided on until May.  I assume that has something to do with the season calendar but why would you want to say whether you’d commit to his fifth year before going into his ‘make or break’ 4th year?  If you commit to that 5th year too early then aren’t you stuck with him that 5th year?  Regardless of how he does this coming year?  ?

The new collective bargaining agreement supposedly has a change to the 5th year option.  In the past it was a club option and the player would be well compensated if that year was executed.  However, teams could choose the 5th year option and later back out of it.  Technically the player isn't harmed since they were going to play on the 4th year of the current deal either way but the timing of when a team backs out could affect the player in Free Agency.  I'm not sure on those details.  Regardless, the new agreement would essentially make the 5th year a guarantee for the player so the team could no longer back out of the deal after year 4, at least not without paying the money.  

Pretty sure Pace wants to know if that is going to be guaranteed or not before he signs up for it.  

[AZ54]

6 minutes ago, BearFan NYC said:

I dunno if you can believe anything Pace says at this time of year - and that's as it should be.

I agree with Stinger that he probably has a bunch of contingencies, and some of the include moving on from Mitch.

So, we will just see how everything falls.

(And replace Leno of course) hahahaha

Saw Mayock's words on Derek Carr.  They too are working both sides of the fence.  IMO Carr is a very real possibility for the Bears if they get Brady.  Part of that is the fact David Carr on NFL Network was very non-committal when talking about the situation too.  

[adam]

I thought I read the new CBA would not impact 2017 draftee option years? 

Just the fact that he said he was waiting to May tells me everything. If he was all in on Mitch, he would state that he is picking up the option, end of statement. By giving it a timeline, and only saying they would decide in May says everything you need to know. Pace is going to attempt something in free agency, then in the draft, and only if he is unsuccessful will he pick up the 5th year option on Mitch. That way, if he finds his guy, he has a year to work out a trade for Mitch (unless Mitch is traded on draft day), where he can ride the pine for a year. 

Here is the thing, there is no risk in accepting the option year as the team still has an out after the 4th year, like the position they are in with Floyd now. It is only guaranteed for injury. So the fact that Pace has not committed to Mitch that way says it all.

[adam]

btw, Nagy seemed to be rejuvenated, which was nice to see. I know that means very little, but body language tells a lot and he seems super excited with the new coaching additions/changes. It feels like he offloaded a lot of responsibilities onto the new guys, and he may now only be involved in calling plays and handling normal HC duties. So we will see how this plays out, but to me it seems like a net positive. 

[Alaskan Grizzly]

41 minutes ago, adam said:

It feels like he offloaded a lot of responsibilities onto the new guys, and he may now only be involved in calling plays and handling normal HC duties.

He said he would still be calling plays. To be honest I’m still not sure adding Lazor and DeFillipio will be all that beneficial.  IMHO I’m not overly impressed with either of them.  They were both fired from their previous jobs; DeFlip from his last two.  

[Alaskan Grizzly]

48 minutes ago, adam said:

Here is the thing, there is no risk in accepting the option year as the team still has an out after the 4th year, like the position they are in with Floyd now. It is only guaranteed for injury. So the fact that Pace has not committed to Mitch that way says it all.

Thanks both AZ and Adam for explaining.  The idea of waiting until May and knowing you can still get out of it in year 5 makes sense.  I just was curious by the phraseology of “5th year option” and whether you had to commit or not.  And if you did, why do it prior to year 4? 
 

Your explanation of Pace’s tact with regards to Mitch and his options also makes a lot of sense.  
 

AZs point of Carr as a possibility still rings true to me too.  Especially if the Raiders are able to convince Brady to come to them.  Many dominoes will fall if he makes that move.  I still think regardless, the Bears need to make a play for Carr if they can.  

[AZ54]

3 hours ago, adam said:

I thought I read the new CBA would not impact 2017 draftee option years? 

Just the fact that he said he was waiting to May tells me everything. If he was all in on Mitch, he would state that he is picking up the option, end of statement. By giving it a timeline, and only saying they would decide in May says everything you need to know. Pace is going to attempt something in free agency, then in the draft, and only if he is unsuccessful will he pick up the 5th year option on Mitch. That way, if he finds his guy, he has a year to work out a trade for Mitch (unless Mitch is traded on draft day), where he can ride the pine for a year. 

Here is the thing, there is no risk in accepting the option year as the team still has an out after the 4th year, like the position they are in with Floyd now. It is only guaranteed for injury. So the fact that Pace has not committed to Mitch that way says it all.

Ah that could well be.   In that case you are right given that it's non-committal for the team there isn't much of a reason for Pace not to pick it up other than sending a message to Mitch.  Nagy said Mitch was told he needed to study a lot of film this offseason.  These are the offseason dates from the team's website.  They won't see him on the field at all in OTAs before the May 4th deadline.  Not that it would matter as that isn't his issue.  

May 1-4 or 8-11: Clubs can hold their three-day rookie minicamp from Friday through Sunday or Saturday through Monday.

May 4: Deadline for clubs to exercise Fifth-Year Option for players selected in the first round of the 2017 draft.