Terry Bradshaw

[Bill]

So I watched "A Football Live" about Bradshaw. I had forgotten how much bad press he got the first few years for being alot like Mitch. Not football smart, slow to process, bad choices. But also how they both have some of the same traits. Strong arm, able to avoid the rush in the pocket. Even some of the same team traits. God D, hopefully a stronger running game this year. Some good choices to throw to. No not saying the Bears have the hall of fame roster the 70's Steelers had, but we have some above average players. Maybe Mitch does need a longer time to get up to speed and someone that makes him dig a little deeper. I also think he still needs a slump buster. So just trying to be a little hopeful in a very strange year and world we live in. Stranger things have happened. I think.

[AZ54]

Drew Brees didn't become "Drew Brees" until his 5th or 6th season.  Even then it was his 8th season when he first threw for 5000 yards that opened everyone eyes.   Tom Brady first threw for 4000 yards in his 5th season and even at that point he was only averaging ~61% completions.    We don't really know which way Trubisky will go.  The biggest concern for me is that he simply fades under the brightest spotlight.  I don't really think it's anything more than him trying to do too much...being stuck on Nagy's "TD to check-down" philosophy instead of taking the quick read.   Like Brees he simply might have the wrong head coach.  

[BearFan PHX]

41 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

Drew Brees didn't become "Drew Brees" until his 5th or 6th season.  Even then it was his 8th season when he first threw for 5000 yards that opened everyone eyes.   Tom Brady first threw for 4000 yards in his 5th season and even at that point he was only averaging ~61% completions.    We don't really know which way Trubisky will go.  The biggest concern for me is that he simply fades under the brightest spotlight.  I don't really think it's anything more than him trying to do too much...being stuck on Nagy's "TD to check-down" philosophy instead of taking the quick read.   Like Brees he simply might have the wrong head coach.  

could well be. also, if he can get just a little protection that might make a huge difference too

[Stinger226]

The OL  needs to play up to 2018 expectations because we probably only upgrade the RG . I think we ranked somewhere in the middle 15th or 16th as a team.  Last year the oline screwed up our offensive production by not allowing us to get our running game going and put the defense on the field more often that wore then down late in games. They had to many penalties that killed drives.  I went back and watched several games from 2019 and 2018 and  the oline played better in 2018 but still wasn't very good.  Hopefully Daniel's takes a step forward and we can get average play out of our OTs. IFEDI or who ever plays RG needs to be good to make our offense better. 

[AZ54]

5 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

The OL  needs to play up to 2018 expectations 

Sadly this is all we are hoping for.

[adam]

16 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Drew Brees didn't become "Drew Brees" until his 5th or 6th season.  Even then it was his 8th season when he first threw for 5000 yards that opened everyone eyes.   Tom Brady first threw for 4000 yards in his 5th season and even at that point he was only averaging ~61% completions.    We don't really know which way Trubisky will go.  The biggest concern for me is that he simply fades under the brightest spotlight.  I don't really think it's anything more than him trying to do too much...being stuck on Nagy's "TD to check-down" philosophy instead of taking the quick read.   Like Brees he simply might have the wrong head coach.  

Drew Brees also had 3 full college seasons starting at QB. So technically he was 2 years ahead of Trubisky before entering the league. With that said, I saw something on Twitter awhile back that the probability of a QB turning things around after 3 full seasons in the league was something like 3% (with Brees being one of those QBs). One interesting twist was that almost all the QBs that did turn it around changed teams. So the likelihood of Trubisky improving on the Bears is probably around 1%. 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, adam said:

Drew Brees also had 3 full college seasons starting at QB. So technically he was 2 years ahead of Trubisky before entering the league. With that said, I saw something on Twitter awhile back that the probability of a QB turning things around after 3 full seasons in the league was something like 3% (with Brees being one of those QBs). One interesting twist was that almost all the QBs that did turn it around changed teams. So the likelihood of Trubisky improving on the Bears is probably around 1%. 

His processing just didn't come together. I don't know if he can mentally put it together for this season and it may take going to a different team. Blame goes all around but he wasn't good enough to overcome the rest of those team deficiencies. Maybe if they have improved oline play and establish a run game, maybe he can look the part.  But then you know once one link is broken, the results will be similiar.

[Mongo3451]

2 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

His processing just didn't come together. I don't know if he can mentally put it together for this season and it may take going to a different team. Blame goes all around but he wasn't good enough to overcome the rest of those team deficiencies. Maybe if they have improved oline play and establish a run game, maybe he can look the part.  But then you know once one link is broken, the results will be similiar.

That was the same issue with Cutler.  OL and him waiting too long to throw got him killed.  It's a shared blame, great QB's find a way.  Sometimes the situation kills a QB.  That's why I rate Manning ahead of Brady.  Brady came into a Superbowl caliber team that won despite his deficiencies.  Manning came into a one win team and went 3-13 on his first year while leading the league in interceptions.  The following year 13-3 with a team on his back.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

3 hours ago, adam said:

Drew Brees also had 3 full college seasons starting at QB. So technically he was 2 years ahead of Trubisky before entering the league. With that said, I saw something on Twitter awhile back that the probability of a QB turning things around after 3 full seasons in the league was something like 3% (with Brees being one of those QBs). One interesting twist was that almost all the QBs that did turn it around changed teams. So the likelihood of Trubisky improving on the Bears is probably around 1%. 

And I wonder if the Bears had managed to pull off a trade with Tennessee for Mariota (straight up) what might have been for either of them?   Now we’ll see how Mariota does if he gets a chance to play.  
 

That being said, when I read your comment the first thing that came to mind was ‘what if the Bears were to make a straight up trade with Cleveland for Baker Mayfield’?  I’m not sure why I thought it other than to think both QBs need a new start (Cleveland is and will remain a hot mess) and despite my not liking him, Mayfield I feel has a lot more upside to him than Mitch.  

[BearFan2000]

Something to keep in mind is that the window for success only stays open for so long.  Gone are the days when you could invest 5+ years in a QB waiting for them to develop.  We have the roster to win now and who knows how much longer our window will be open.  I would like to see Mitch take the steps to become the QB we drafted him to be, but if he doesn't, we have to look to move on.  This year could be his last here, and Foles is merely a backup/fallback in case Mitch takes another step backwards.  We don't have the means or capitol to draft a QB high this coming draft.  I could see us drafting a QB with development potential. Mitch may get it and he may not, maybe he'll get it this season and we can scratch QB off the need list.  Future is so hard to tell.  He's entering his 4th season, 3rd season under Nagy, he needs to step up his game.