50england50 Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 Disappointed with this, understand the need for cap space but might have been better to cut Hicks because there is still a lot of dead money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just fire Pace now, why wait. Complete and utter dumpster fire, cannot manage your own cap, Fuller and ARob both should've been extended before the season with a cap-friendly hit but he waited for no reason and this is what happens. Again, this guy has no plan. He had a year to prepare for this. What a loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 A hard pill to swallow But we don't know if they tried to redo his contract and he just said no. Hope things work out for him. Puts him at the front of FA for corners with time to sign before draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 I don't know what this portends for the future. The next seems to be Hicks. From my simple mind it seems tried to get a Fran. QB. Did not work. So now their doing everything to try again. Or maybe just doing the best they think they can to rebuild on the fly using what little they have after four years of mistakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 I suspect they tried to redo his contract and he refused. I looked at the FA list at CB and a lot of good names out there. Some are coming off bad years but have a consistent history. Casey Hayward, A. J. Bouye., these players could both be brought in for what we had to pay Fuller. Not as good as but not to far behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 47 minutes ago, adam said: Just fire Pace now, why wait. Complete and utter dumpster fire, cannot manage your own cap, Fuller and ARob both should've been extended before the season with a cap-friendly hit but he waited for no reason and this is what happens. Again, this guy has no plan. He had a year to prepare for this. What a loser. yes and yes again. I think the threshold was reached a while ago. and yet it continues. so I think we have to look higher up than just Pace for replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 I don't believe for minute that Pace and Nagy have only one year to fix this team. They have put themselves in a deep well and no way could anyone expect them to dig their way out in one year. Powers that be are willing to just sit and watch, get their increased revenue and wait till it just falls down or by some miracle turns around. Devine intervention because we now god is a Bears fan. How else did we get Walter Payton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Rumors are that Hicks is on the trading block. As someone else speculated, signing Blackson earlier this week suggested it might be the case. https://beargoggleson.com/2021/03/18/chicago-bears-akiem-hicks-trade-rumors-instagram-trade-block/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, BearFan NYC said: yes and yes again. I think the threshold was reached a while ago. and yet it continues. so I think we have to look higher up than just Pace for replacement. Pace must be good friends with you, he is doing your biding by trying to get fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 And not that this was enough but 1 hour ago, adam said: Just fire Pace now, why wait. Complete and utter dumpster fire, cannot manage your own cap, Fuller and ARob both should've been extended before the season with a cap-friendly hit but he waited for no reason and this is what happens. Again, this guy has no plan. He had a year to prepare for this. What a loser Keeping with the theme of “dumpster fires”. Remember the blockbuster trade that wasn’t (for Wilson)? The one that allegedly involved those 1st round picks and a few “unnamed” starters? Turns out those starters were Hicks and Mack. Can’t imagine Pace and Nagy having anymore respectability with the team at this point. Next season is lost. https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-offered-seahawks-khalil-mack-162217721.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said: And not that this was enough but Keeping with the theme of “dumpster fires”. Remember the blockbuster trade that wasn’t (for Wilson)? The one that allegedly involved those 1st round picks and a few “unnamed” starters? Turns out those starters were Hicks and Mack. Can’t imagine Pace and Nagy having anymore respectability with the team at this point. Next season is lost. https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-offered-seahawks-khalil-mack-162217721.html excellent point - I hadnt even gotten that far yet. The defense is totally going to want to play hard to save his job now. GEEZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Stinger226 said: Pace must be good friends with you, he is doing your biding by trying to get fired. he sure is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said: And not that this was enough but Keeping with the theme of “dumpster fires”. Remember the blockbuster trade that wasn’t (for Wilson)? The one that allegedly involved those 1st round picks and a few “unnamed” starters? Turns out those starters were Hicks and Mack. Can’t imagine Pace and Nagy having anymore respectability with the team at this point. Next season is lost. https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-offered-seahawks-khalil-mack-162217721.html They gave Seattle a list of players to choose from, and their names were on it. To be honest, I dont see Seattle even considering taking on 36 million in salary and pay 39 mil in dead cap space for a trade. I suspect Foles might have been involved and Johnson or Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 It's official: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 Wow Fuller man, accepts a deal for $9.5M but wouldn't restructure to stay with Bears. So he took less to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, adam said: So he took less to leave. You think that’s a knock on Desai as DC or just the dumpster fire that is the current condition of the team? If I were to hazard a guess he had his best years under Fangio. So they’re reunited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 Can't believe the Bears did not ofter him the same type contract. The Broncos just sent 20 mil for a corner and extend one of their safetys.. Guess Fangio knows how to build a DF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50england50 Posted March 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 It’s easy to knock Pace and the ownership about the current state of the Bears but what can’t be denied is when money needs to be spent its available. Where is the loyalty to the team. Fuller was drafted by the Bears, paid handsomely when he signed the 2nd contract and I understand he earned it. However it is evident with the reduction in the salary cap that the Bears are in a hole. Indications from the media are the Bears asked Fuller to renegotiate his contract and refused possibly believing that he could earn more after being cut. Fuller may be pissed that he was offered as part of the Wilson deal but that is part of the business and shouldn’t surprise any player. I can’t believe that the contract offered Fuller by the Bears was any worse that he is now getting from Denver. So Fuller is back with Fangio and good riddance.This is an example of players being mercenaries of not caring about the team they play for. Or at least not in the same way that the fans are invested into their teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 13 hours ago, adam said: Wow Fuller man, accepts a deal for $9.5M but wouldn't restructure to stay with Bears. So he took less to leave. He didnt know what a new team would offer him before he left. Players always think they will get more but usually settle for less. In one sense, the Bears paid their players when they were due a new contract. Fuller, Mack., Goldman, Hicks, EJAC but the problem is, there is to many high paid players on defense. Our money problems are because of the bad contracts for players like Quinn and Foles. It robs money when you have to sign players to replace those mistakes. It is a domino effect, MT didnt work out, so they spend money for Foles then Dalton. Floyd didnt become the pass rusher so they paid Quinn. Shaheen didnt work out so they gave Graham 10 to replace him. Its a cycle. Another problem with Pace is he would use draft capital to trade up and get the players he wanted. MT, Miller, ect. Pace should have been fired as soon as the MT thing didnt work out, so here we are, he's trying to over come his own mistakes over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, 50england50 said: It’s easy to knock Pace and the ownership about the current state of the Bears but what can’t be denied is when money needs to be spent its available. Where is the loyalty to the team. Fuller was drafted by the Bears, paid handsomely when he signed the 2nd contract and I understand he earned it. However it is evident with the reduction in the salary cap that the Bears are in a hole. Indications from the media are the Bears asked Fuller to renegotiate his contract and refused possibly believing that he could earn more after being cut. Fuller may be pissed that he was offered as part of the Wilson deal but that is part of the business and shouldn’t surprise any player. I can’t believe that the contract offered Fuller by the Bears was any worse that he is now getting from Denver. So Fuller is back with Fangio and good riddance.This is an example of players being mercenaries of not caring about the team they play for. Or at least not in the same way that the fans are invested into their teams. Its human nature to not want to be disrespected by a team wanting you to take a pay cut. Then they end getting less somewhere else. I heard they wanted him to take a 5 mil pay cut, that would piss me off to. He is a good player but lets not forget he's 29 and has been losing some of his effectiveness since 2018. Players get paid for their best year and cant ever get back to that level again. EJAC is the example. If Pace was better at drafting, teams like NE do it the right way, when they are due the big contract, he trades them at their highest value. We cant do that because of the mistakes Pace has made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 14 hours ago, Alaskan Grizzly said: You think that’s a knock on Desai as DC or just the dumpster fire that is the current condition of the team? If I were to hazard a guess he had his best years under Fangio. So they’re reunited. I am sure that will eventually come out, but I assume he didn't like the way it was handled, because he could've taken the same money to stay with the Bears, and took less to leave. So either the Bears handled it horribly wrong (likely) or he is a petulant child and did it out of spite (unlikely). Desai has been around for awhile, so I don't think it is him, and I don't know how much the DC gets involved in contract negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Stinger226 said: Its human nature to not want to be disrespected by a team wanting you to take a pay cut. Then they end getting less somewhere else. I heard they wanted him to take a 5 mil pay cut, that would piss me off to. He is a good player but lets not forget he's 29 and has been losing some of his effectiveness since 2018. Players get paid for their best year and cant ever get back to that level again. EJAC is the example. If Pace was better at drafting, teams like NE do it the right way, when they are due the big contract, he trades them at their highest value. We cant do that because of the mistakes Pace has made. Athletes are weird, they should just consider themselves subcontractors. They can be replaced all the time for the same reasons, price, performance, and availability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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