adam Posted March 6, 2023 Report Share Posted March 6, 2023 1 hour ago, AZ54 said: Foskey and Van Ness are both pretty linear athletes. Van Ness with really good power but seems like that's about all he'll bring to the table. They'll both be players that can set the edge and pick up some ocassional pressures/sacks especially if they get support with pressure up the middle. That's what you see on tape from both and I'm not quite as high on either after the combine. Van Ness had the 2nd best 3-cone and 20-yd shuttle amongst DEs. Foskey was 6th and 5th respectively. Those are some pretty mobile numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 8 hours ago, adam said: Van Ness had the 2nd best 3-cone and 20-yd shuttle amongst DEs. Foskey was 6th and 5th respectively. Those are some pretty mobile numbers. I looked at the numbers but when watching the drills they just didn't seem to bend well. Even the Daniel Jeremiah was commenting the same and that power is their game. We may very well end up with or even need one DE like that who can really contain the edge, so it's not necessarily a bad thing, but it would be nice to have that one speed rusher who can really bend around the edge. Perhaps you are right and it's just a learning curve for Van Ness. I think Foskey might be more limited but when I say not as high it just means they drop back a bit on my "board" not that I wouldn't draft them at all. If it's early 2nd Rd and all 3 are on the board I'd take Will McDonald ahead of them even though I know he's going to be more of the pass rush specialist and less run defender. I feel like it's easier to find guys like Foskey or Van Ness every year. Regardless of that whole "Iowa doesn't start young guys" excuse Van Ness wasn't a starter so that's still a bit of question mark. Besides I remember a young James Daniels getting snaps as a Freshman/Soph at Iowa. There are a couple edge guys we don't have info on yet that fit into day 2: Felix Anudike-Uzomah and Keion White. Anudike is more speed rusher, White more bull rusher. Anudike has more of the style I'd like to draft and he has some strength to get through double teams and the hustle to chase down plays late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 8 hours ago, AZ54 said: I looked at the numbers but when watching the drills they just didn't seem to bend well. Even the Daniel Jeremiah was commenting the same and that power is their game. We may very well end up with or even need one DE like that who can really contain the edge, so it's not necessarily a bad thing, but it would be nice to have that one speed rusher who can really bend around the edge. Perhaps you are right and it's just a learning curve for Van Ness. I think Foskey might be more limited but when I say not as high it just means they drop back a bit on my "board" not that I wouldn't draft them at all. If it's early 2nd Rd and all 3 are on the board I'd take Will McDonald ahead of them even though I know he's going to be more of the pass rush specialist and less run defender. I feel like it's easier to find guys like Foskey or Van Ness every year. Regardless of that whole "Iowa doesn't start young guys" excuse Van Ness wasn't a starter so that's still a bit of question mark. Besides I remember a young James Daniels getting snaps as a Freshman/Soph at Iowa. There are a couple edge guys we don't have info on yet that fit into day 2: Felix Anudike-Uzomah and Keion White. Anudike is more speed rusher, White more bull rusher. Anudike has more of the style I'd like to draft and he has some strength to get through double teams and the hustle to chase down plays late. The LVN not starting thing was weird, which makes his stats all that more impressive though. He did more with fewer snaps than anyone in college football. If you "project" him though, he does fit into a poor man's JJ Watt role. 19.5 TFL and 13.5 sacks as a freshman and sophomore in total is impressive. From what I have read, he was a rotational guy with seniors and juniors ahead of him. I am not advocating making him a first rounder, but if he is there in the 2nd (after getting an early 2nd in a trade), you have to at least consider him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 I had the pleasure of watching my son do 7 on 7 workouts at the Colts complex this past Sunday. My wife looked over at me as i straightened my Bears hat, then noticed I was wearing a Bears shirt as well. "You sure have balls wearing that here" came out her mouth. So I told her, "Me not wearing my gear would be like going to my ex wife's house and taking my wedding ring off". Priceless. Anyway, there are some guys I loved at combine. At DE it was Van Ness and AA. At WR Flowers, Njigba and the dude from Stanford. The TE's and running backs were great and deep. At DT, I like Bresee a lot. As well as that big Samoan dude. On the LB side, Henley and Sanders looked to be our kinda guys. For IOL, give me Ragnow and Avila. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 7, 2023 Report Share Posted March 7, 2023 11 hours ago, AZ54 said: I looked at the numbers but when watching the drills they just didn't seem to bend well. Even the Daniel Jeremiah was commenting the same and that power is their game. We may very well end up with or even need one DE like that who can really contain the edge, so it's not necessarily a bad thing, but it would be nice to have that one speed rusher who can really bend around the edge. Perhaps you are right and it's just a learning curve for Van Ness. I think Foskey might be more limited but when I say not as high it just means they drop back a bit on my "board" not that I wouldn't draft them at all. If it's early 2nd Rd and all 3 are on the board I'd take Will McDonald ahead of them even though I know he's going to be more of the pass rush specialist and less run defender. I feel like it's easier to find guys like Foskey or Van Ness every year. Regardless of that whole "Iowa doesn't start young guys" excuse Van Ness wasn't a starter so that's still a bit of question mark. Besides I remember a young James Daniels getting snaps as a Freshman/Soph at Iowa. There are a couple edge guys we don't have info on yet that fit into day 2: Felix Anudike-Uzomah and Keion White. Anudike is more speed rusher, White more bull rusher. Anudike has more of the style I'd like to draft and he has some strength to get through double teams and the hustle to chase down plays late. I think they add one speed rusher and one power type end. Will McDonald and Tyree Wilson. I'm good with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 If we end up with Van Ness, Cody Mauch, and AA, I'm A happy camper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killakrzydav Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 Is Tyree really a speed guy though? He seems like such a project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, killakrzydav said: Is Tyree really a speed guy though? He seems like such a project He is supposed to be a great first step guy. Everyone is comparing him to Mack, more a power guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 25 minutes ago, Stinger226 said: If we end up with Van Ness, Cody Mauch, and AA, I'm A happy camper. That'd certainly be a tough, blue collar identity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killakrzydav Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 I haven't seen enough of him. Nothing I read of him sounds like Mack though. Anderson is Mack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 35 minutes ago, killakrzydav said: I haven't seen enough of him. Nothing I read of him sounds like Mack though. Anderson is Mack From a piece on nfl website by draft analyst Chad Reuter, he says he compares Chandler Jones. Same body and athletic type. He is the most ready to play edge player. His personality is supposedly off the charts as he will become a face of the franchise. Andre Carter = Brian Burns Isiah Foskey = Matt Judon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Stinger226 said: He is supposed to be a great first step guy. Everyone is comparing him to Mack, more a power guy. Agreed more power guy but seems to have enough agility to bend around the edge even if he didn't do that much in college. Again these 3-man fronts used in college make it hard to assess based on just highlights. I'm in agreement we need one strong edge setter to help keep the Oline from expanding the width of the play, and one DE who is more pass rusher so I can relax more when opponents have a 3rd and 10+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 4 hours ago, killakrzydav said: I haven't seen enough of him. Nothing I read of him sounds like Mack though. Anderson is Mack I think Anderson has much more lateral quickness than Mack. Which leads me to believe Anderson will have a higher win rate if his first move is stopped than Mack does. To do that Anderson will have to match Mack's intensity and hustle which was elite but I like the odds of that happening. I like him but can't put Tyree Wilson in a category with Mack. That will have to be earned. The Chandler Jones comparison seems about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, AZ54 said: To do that Anderson will have to match Mack's intensity and hustle which was elite Amen. Talent is great, but hustle is a big deal too - witness the Norhtwestern Men's Basketball defense this year. It aint talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 Anderson is my favorite choice but with trade back scenarios, don't see us getting him. More of a comparison to Parsons but if physically identical to Mack, he will be a stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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