ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 The trade was made. Panthers are now on the clock Compensation update, per sources: Bears trading No. 1 overall pick to Carolina for: ?pick No. 9 ?pick No. 61 ?a first-round pick in 2024 ?a second-round pick in 2025 ?WR DJ Moore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 I like it. Puts the speculation of Fields to rest and gives him another weapon in Moore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 I wanted another top pick - but overall I can’t complain. Can get a ot or maybe even Bijan at that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 And some pleasant news on Moore’s contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just woke up, great news. Getting them to throw in DJ Moore was the get. At 9 they still could get Carter , as he could slip that far because of his off field news. Picking 54, 61, and 65 is a sweet spot in the draft. Plus, don't need to draft a WR high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said: I wanted another top pick - but overall I can’t complain. Can get a ot or maybe even Bijan at that spot. I'd take DJ Moore over a 2025 1st rd pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Who told me they wouldn't give up DJ Moore if they were trading up for a QB? Always aim high! Now we actually have a good WR group at the top 3 and will likely add a day 3 WR to help round it out with Velus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 by the numbers and the Hall trade chart, the value we paid for DJ Moore in this trade was equal to a second round pick this year, and moving down from first round to second round in the extra 2025 pick. That's a steal. Suddenly Mooney and Claypool look much better too because you cant double team everyone. This gives Fields the weapons to show what he can do, and we got a likely top 10 first rounder next year to combine with our pick to take Field's replacement or add two firsts to the team around him. This was a great move for sustainability. In the past, we've seen the Bears try to load up for a run with a window that's already closing. Now with young core players like Fields, and three excellent receiver all 25 or 24 years old you've got the beginnings of a sustainable, long term offense. Truly building a team. We might use the pick at #9, but once you get out of the blue area, unless someone specific drops, don't be surprised to see the Bears trade down again. We can use all the 2nd round picks we can get. This is very exciting for the next ten years of Bears football. Good job Poles. Now you just have to pick the players to draft and pay in Free Agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said: I'd take DJ Moore over a 2025 1st rd pick. Me too. A bird in the hand approach here fits as does the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 44 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said: The trade was made. Panthers are now on the clock Compensation update, per sources: Bears trading No. 1 overall pick to Carolina for: ?pick No. 9 ?pick No. 61 ?a first-round pick in 2024 ?a second-round pick in 2025 ?WR DJ Moore Wow, this is awesome. Moore is basically a first rounder, but "better?", #61 (2nd), 2024 1st, and 2025 2nd. Rich Hill chart 1000 = 387+86+369+146+Moore (369) = 1357. So even if you value Moore as a 2nd, it is still good for the Bears (1132). Johnson chart 3000 = 1350+292+1300+490+Moore (1300) = 4732. If you reduce Moore to a 2nd round value, it is 3922. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 A perfect fit for this team. Can play the slot and outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, AZ54 said: Who told me they wouldn't give up DJ Moore if they were trading up for a QB? Always aim high! Now we actually have a good WR group at the top 3 and will likely add a day 3 WR to help round it out with Velus. I said that but instead of giving them 39 they gave them 61. They will be drafting a WR to grow with the new QB. I like being wrong when it helps our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Moore, Mooney, Claypool, Velus, ESB. The WR Room just got a whole lot better, Moore produced on a bad team with revolving QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixote Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Stinger226 said: I said that but instead of giving them 39 they gave them 61. They will be drafting a WR to grow with the new QB. I like being wrong when it helps our team. I was really hoping for a high 2023 2nd rd pick in addition to a 2024 1st. It will be a long wait from #9 to #61. Just being greedy. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said: by the numbers and the Hall trade chart, the value we paid for DJ Moore in this trade was equal to a second round pick this year, and moving down from first round to second round in the extra 2025 pick. That's a steal. Suddenly Mooney and Claypool look much better too because you cant double team everyone. This gives Fields the weapons to show what he can do, and we got a likely top 10 first rounder next year to combine with our pick to take Field's replacement or add two firsts to the team around him. This was a great move for sustainability. In the past, we've seen the Bears try to load up for a run with a window that's already closing. Now with young core players like Fields, and three excellent receiver all 25 or 24 years old you've got the beginnings of a sustainable, long term offense. Truly building a team. We might use the pick at #9, but once you get out of the blue area, unless someone specific drops, don't be surprised to see the Bears trade down again. We can use all the 2nd round picks we can get. This is very exciting for the next ten years of Bears football. Good job Poles. Now you just have to pick the players to draft and pay in Free Agency. Trading back makes sense for us but what player will a team want at 9? Hopefully Carter drips to 9 and we get to make that decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, adam said: Wow, this is awesome. Moore is basically a first rounder, but "better?", #61 (2nd), 2024 1st, and 2025 2nd. Rich Hill chart 1000 = 387+86+369+146+Moore (369) = 1357. So even if you value Moore as a 2nd, it is still good for the Bears. you have to value the future pick as 32 picks x the number of years youre waiting lower than it would be this year tho. 1000 traded for: 387 R1 P9 86 R2 P61 149 2024 R1 pick 29 2025 R2 pick ____ 651 Meaning DJ Moore was worth 350 points (R1 P11) So Basically, DJ Moore = high/mid first round pick. Which I think is right. It's what you would have had to trade for him. Plus we got the future picks we needed. But DJ Moore isnt an add in, he's a main part of the haul here. He's the second 2023 first round pick in this trade. You could imagine it as we traded R1 P1 for: R1 P9 R1 P11 (DJ Moore) R2 P61 2024 R1 Pick 2025 R2 Pick So is DJ Moore worth R1 P11? That's the question. I say yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Pixote said: I was really hoping for a high 2023 2nd rd pick in addition to a 2024 1st. It will be a long wait from #9 to #61. Just being greedy. LOL Yeah me too, but getting Moore plus an extra 1st or 2nd in the next 3 drafts is pretty solid (2nd, 1st, 2nd). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pixote said: I was really hoping for a high 2023 2nd rd pick in addition to a 2024 1st. It will be a long wait from #9 to #61. Just being greedy. LOL We got DJ Moore instead, I'm good. I suspect they offered the high 2 nd and Poles asked for Moore instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said: you have to value the future pick as 32 picks x the number of years youre waiting lower than it would be this year tho. 1000 traded for: 387 R1 P9 86 R2 P61 149 2024 R1 pick 29 2025 R2 pick ____ 651 Meaning DJ Moore was worth 350 points (R1 P11) So Basically, DJ Moore = high/mid first round pick. Which I think is right. It's what you would have had to trade for him. Plus we got the future picks we needed. But DJ Moore isnt an add in, he's a main part of the haul here. He's the second 2023 first round pick in this trade. You could imagine it as we traded R1 P1 for: R1 P9 R1 P11 (DJ Moore) R2 P61 2024 R1 Pick 2025 R2 Pick So is DJ Moore worth R1 P11? That's the question. I say yes. Ultimately you have to wait and see what pick they end up with for the final value, but I doubt Carolina magically breaks out of the top 10 of the draft in the next 2 years, so it is more than likely going to be a top 10 2024 1st rounder, and a no worse than a mid 40s 2nd rounder in 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, AZ54 said: Who told me they wouldn't give up DJ Moore if they were trading up for a QB? Always aim high! Now we actually have a good WR group at the top 3 and will likely add a day 3 WR to help round it out with Velus. I know, I know! I'll never rat Stinger out though...?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Moore is also reasonably priced for the next 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, adam said: Moore is also reasonably priced for the next 3 years. and he lights a fire under Claypools butt. This is one of those moves that acts as a multiplier through the whole WR room. Now we need an OL and we have almost nothing on the defensive front 7. This is gonna be a fun offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said: you have to value the future pick as 32 picks x the number of years youre waiting lower than it would be this year tho. 1000 traded for: 387 R1 P9 86 R2 P61 149 2024 R1 pick 29 2025 R2 pick ____ 651 Meaning DJ Moore was worth 350 points (R1 P11) So Basically, DJ Moore = high/mid first round pick. Which I think is right. It's what you would have had to trade for him. Plus we got the future picks we needed. But DJ Moore isnt an add in, he's a main part of the haul here. He's the second 2023 first round pick in this trade. You could imagine it as we traded R1 P1 for: R1 P9 R1 P11 (DJ Moore) R2 P61 2024 R1 Pick 2025 R2 Pick So is DJ Moore worth R1 P11? That's the question. I say yes. He's a number 1 WR that we needed. Plus this year his cap hit is 20, then 16 and 16. That's a very good scenario for a # 1. We have a lot of money this year to cover the 20 mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Bears now have 3 picks over an 11 pick sequence between 54-64. If they don't trade any (Poles may flip one for a future pick), they can really do some damage there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Stinger226 said: Trading back makes sense for us but what player will a team want at 9? Hopefully Carter drips to 9 and we get to make that decision. It is a tough spot. Offensive Tackles and WRs come to play. Breese/Lucas Van Ness at 3T and CBs that are not where you spend high on as a cover 2 D. At that point I might look for more trade down value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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