DABEARSDABOMB Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 I don’t get it - Lewis was better than Green but somehow Green is still around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adam Posted August 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 Bears also picked up Trent Taylor PR/WR, and Quindell Johnson, S. So my assumption is, Jenkins to IR, and AJ Thomas waived for hopeful move to PS. Grabbed an Edge, PR/WR, and S, after trading for Feeney (OL). Those and LB/CB were the main places that could be upgraded. Curious to see what they do with the WR room with 7 now in there. Very limited utility for a WR6 that doesn't play special teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 49 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said: I don’t get it - Lewis was better than Green but somehow Green is still around. Someone else asked the same question after Gipson was cut. I’m not a fan either. https://x.com/imbearingdown/status/1696742761263706521?s=46&t=KrpJmhSTc4DI1sACtjisOQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted August 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said: And this… I like it, now Velus slides in as Gadget man (like Cohen), however, will they carry 7 WRs. If Taylor is the primary returner, that makes Velus very expendable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, adam said: That was quick: Khalid Kareem, Edge from the Colts. Is he better than Lewis or Gipson? Uhm…this is a head scratcher to me. Looks like he was a decent player in college where he played for Notre Dame. But since coming into the league in 2020 he has 29 total tackles (including combined tackles) and 1 sack. If all the highlight film you can find of him is from his college days, almost four years ago, that’s concerning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 Flus knows him. All I can guess is that this means Lewis wasn’t really a HITS guy and the new guy is. We all know this far down the roster how important special teams is. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/khalid-kareem/32004b41-5225-9489-fd0c-044abf6bbb38 Should at least be a better run defender than Lewis. Next off-season is going to be all about pass rusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 Add the fact we tried to block this guy for 2 days of practice and one game. Coaches know very well how he fared against our Oline as compared to Lewis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted August 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 It is a good sign that the Bears are cutting players that have looked good. Last year, all those guys were playing, some starting. So if we are having discussions about DE5 and S4 and WR6, the roster is in good shape. Apparently they liked Kareem over Lewis and Gipson (no one claimed Gipson), and Johnson at Safety over AJ Thomas. Once Taylor arrives, they can either put Jenkins on IR, or cut either Velus or ESB. After that, the roster is pretty much a lock outside of other injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted August 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 Jenkins to IR as expected, opening a space for Taylor to come in as the PR/WR. So if there are any other moves, it would more than likely be cutting ESB or Velus for a TE or LB, or upgrading at CB6 (Jaylon Jones). Other than that, the roster is really solid from top to bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 Kareem is more complete at DE in their eyes. Lewis and Gibson would be a pass rush specialist. That tells me come draft, look for bigger DEs that play the run well and set the edge. The sacks will come with greater inside pressure. As for Velus, the Bears are giving him this season to make or break. Ego might be in play and that is fine. They see something in his ability and we have seen a few glimpses even though his Punt Return ability lacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 So no truth to either Gipson or Mooney being traded. Poles confirmed as much during a presser earlier today . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted August 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 Both Vildor and Gipson end up on Tennessee. Other teams are scooping up our trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 and TEN didnt fear another team claiming him off of waivers. That means every team in the league agreed that he was getting paid too much on his 2023 deal, 3-4 or 4-3 alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 I like Poles quote about Trent Taylor: “Consistency,” Poles said. “When the ball gets punted you can go grab a snack and go to the bathroom and come back and you feel confident about it.” After 2 cracks at finding explosive PRs in Velus and Scott, we just went the Bill Belichick route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 22 hours ago, adam said: Jenkins to IR as expected, opening a space for Taylor to come in as the PR/WR. So if there are any other moves, it would more than likely be cutting ESB or Velus for a TE or LB, or upgrading at CB6 (Jaylon Jones). Other than that, the roster is really solid from top to bottom. Jenkins and Kramer to the IR as I expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted August 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 49 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said: Jenkins and Kramer to the IR as I expected. Peterman gets added to the 53-man. So down to 8 OL now (Patrick, Carter, and Borom are backups). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 27 minutes ago, adam said: Peterman gets added to the 53-man. So down to 8 OL now (Patrick, Carter, and Borom are backups). Nice. That leaves Bagent as #2. Poles was pretty clear that he wanted at least one veteran voice in that room and Peterman seemed to be the preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 Terrell Lewis went unclaimed. He's a pass rusher, but not stout in run support. It's possible we will bring him back to the practice squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted August 31, 2023 Report Share Posted August 31, 2023 They may be trying to find a trade partner for V Jones and will bring someone back. l like that Poles doesnt stay loyal to his picks if has someone better to play .I think they may put Feeny at OC and leave Whitehair at LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted September 1, 2023 Report Share Posted September 1, 2023 5 hours ago, Stinger226 said: They may be trying to find a trade partner for V Jones and will bring someone back. l like that Poles doesnt stay loyal to his picks if has someone better to play .I think they may put Feeny at OC and leave Whitehair at LG I wouldn't be upset if they traded Velus but he is an outstanding KR and he's really good on the jet sweeps and other quick hitting plays. For the KRs this year with the new rules I don't have a clue how that plays out. A returner like Velus is good enough that teams might stay away from trying the short kicks. Or maybe they try it more often? Plus he is good enough as a WR down the field for a defense to worry about (better than CPatterson ever was). We have good top 3 WRs, good TE combination, plus good RBs. All players a D has to respect. I'd like to see what Velus can do working around all that. If teams start to double DJ Moore that opens a gap in coverage. Late in a game after DBs have been beat on by Foreman and Johnson for 3 quarters legs are tired. Then make them go keep up with Velus. If they traded him we could just as easily use Scott on the same plays but his hands might be worse than Velus' and he's not as big and strong in traffic. It's like Velus last year....I don't trust Scott at all yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted September 1, 2023 Report Share Posted September 1, 2023 Yeah its going to be very interesting to see how teams deal with kickoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted September 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2023 7 hours ago, AZ54 said: I wouldn't be upset if they traded Velus but he is an outstanding KR and he's really good on the jet sweeps and other quick hitting plays. For the KRs this year with the new rules I don't have a clue how that plays out. A returner like Velus is good enough that teams might stay away from trying the short kicks. Or maybe they try it more often? Plus he is good enough as a WR down the field for a defense to worry about (better than CPatterson ever was). We have good top 3 WRs, good TE combination, plus good RBs. All players a D has to respect. I'd like to see what Velus can do working around all that. If teams start to double DJ Moore that opens a gap in coverage. Late in a game after DBs have been beat on by Foreman and Johnson for 3 quarters legs are tired. Then make them go keep up with Velus. If they traded him we could just as easily use Scott on the same plays but his hands might be worse than Velus' and he's not as big and strong in traffic. It's like Velus last year....I don't trust Scott at all yet. Poles had a little bit of Pace-itis with the Velus pick (smartest guy in the room syndrome). However, the next 2 WRs after Velus have not done much either. Jalen Tolbert - 2-12, 0 TD David Bell - 24-214, 0 TD, KR 1-12 Compare to Velus: Receiving: 7-107, 1 TD, Rushing: 9-103 yds, 1 TD, PR 5-35yds, KR 22-607yds So all-purpose yard-wise, Velus had 852 yds last year in 12 games. Considering all those yards, Velus has the 4th most all-purpose yards out of all the 2021 WRs, but was the 14th WR selected. He also had the same number of TDs as Alec Pierce, and one more than Burks. 1. Wilson - 1107 yds 2. Olave - 1042 yds 3. London - 866 yds 4. Jones - 852 yds, 2 TD 5. Pickens - 825 yds 6. Watson - 726 yds 7. Pierce - 593 yds, 2 TD 8. Dotson - 516 yds 9. Burks - 491 yds, 1 TD 10. Doubs - 475 yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted September 1, 2023 Report Share Posted September 1, 2023 I think Poles wants to draft best player available in general. I also think that last year he needed to evaluate Fields, and that meant getting some speed at WR in a place in the draft where that good player wasnt available. So I dont think it was a matter of smartest guy in the room syndrome as much as being in a tight spot and having a glaring need. Having a need like that going into the draft means youre likely gonna have to reach, and he did. I think as time goes forward, you will see fewer of these kind of picks in the first 4 rounds from Poles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted September 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said: I think Poles wants to draft best player available in general. I also think that last year he needed to evaluate Fields, and that meant getting some speed at WR in a place in the draft where that good player wasnt available. So I dont think it was a matter of smartest guy in the room syndrome as much as being in a tight spot and having a glaring need. Having a need like that going into the draft means youre likely gonna have to reach, and he did. I think as time goes forward, you will see fewer of these kind of picks in the first 4 rounds from Poles. Jones was a high 3rd round pick. I don't recall seeing any projections of him earlier than the 4th, mainly a 4th to 5th round projection, so going early in the 3rd seemed like a reach. The age was always going to be a factor as well. It felt Shaheen-like at the time. If all he ends up is a kick returner, I doubt he gets a 2nd contract from the Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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