Odds of what team gets Fields

[BearFan PHX]

3 minutes ago, adam said:

If they trade Fields, I really hope they at least get a 3rd rounder for him and at least one more pick, even if it is a conditional pick in 2025. The 49ers got a 4th rounder for Lance, so anything less than a 3rd for Fields will be a failure on Poles part.

I am thinking like a 2024 3rd rounder with a conditional 2025 4th rounder that can become a 3rd or 2nd depending on performance/play time, etc. 

that sounds like a reasonable price, but if no one wants to pay that for Justin, im not sure you can blame Poles for that?

[DABEARSDABOMB]

3 hours ago, adam said:

If they trade Fields, I really hope they at least get a 3rd rounder for him and at least one more pick, even if it is a conditional pick in 2025. The 49ers got a 4th rounder for Lance, so anything less than a 3rd for Fields will be a failure on Poles part.

I am thinking like a 2024 3rd rounder with a conditional 2025 4th rounder that can become a 3rd or 2nd depending on performance/play time, etc. 

That is the floor for me. If they can’t get a 3rd and a conditional 3rd or something next year than Fields value is so bad Bears and Fields should keep him. Fields would have no leverage at that point to be anything other than a great teammate. 

[Stinger226]

4 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

That is the floor for me. If they can’t get a 3rd and a conditional 3rd or something next year than Fields value is so bad Bears and Fields should keep him. Fields would have no leverage at that point to be anything other than a great teammate. 

Poles won't disrespect Justin by only getting a 3 rd for him. It only costs 8 mil to have him one more year and tell him to prove people wrong. You get to sit whoever QB and let him develop., Maybe some of Justin's work ethic , toughness and leadership can rub off on the new guy.

[killakrzydav]

OR JF finally breaks out and can throw open a receiver. Shit would be great

[Mongo3451]

14 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Poles won't disrespect Justin by only getting a 3 rd for him. It only costs 8 mil to have him one more year and tell him to prove people wrong. You get to sit whoever QB and let him develop., Maybe some of Justin's work ethic , toughness and leadership can rub off on the new guy.

Disagree.  If a 3rd is the offer and he wants to draft his QB, then a third it will be.  Also, it's not disrespectful to trade a guy to give him a chance elsewhere, no matter the price.  Lastly, respect had no bearing on this decision.  It's about what's best for the team.  And it's not best to keep Justin while your new QB is developing, because Justin has the locker room.  And if respect does come into play, you have to respect the future more than the past these days and especially this situation.

[killakrzydav]

good points

[BearFan PHX]

14 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Disagree.  If a 3rd is the offer and he wants to draft his QB, then a third it will be.  Also, it's not disrespectful to trade a guy to give him a chance elsewhere, no matter the price.  Lastly, respect had no bearing on this decision.  It's about what's best for the team.  And it's not best to keep Justin while your new QB is developing, because Justin has the locker room.  And if respect does come into play, you have to respect the future more than the past these days and especially this situation.

This is how I see it too. And your last sentence is gold.

[Stinger226]

12 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Disagree.  If a 3rd is the offer and he wants to draft his QB, then a third it will be.  Also, it's not disrespectful to trade a guy to give him a chance elsewhere, no matter the price.  Lastly, respect had no bearing on this decision.  It's about what's best for the team.  And it's not best to keep Justin while your new QB is developing, because Justin has the locker room.  And if respect does come into play, you have to respect the future more than the past these days and especially this situation.

It's all coming to ahead in the next,10 days,  Justin will be gone or the first pick will be traded. The great debate will no longer be the topic.

[adam]

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[killakrzydav]

There or Minny

[Alaskan Grizzly]

40 minutes ago, adam said:

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Just so we’re consistent…

[Stinger226]

Common prevails

 

[BearFan PHX]

It's all been a BIG secret. Poles always knew he wanted to keep Fields, and Fields knows how to read defenses and everything, they just hid it all because theyre playing long term poker. If they can just confuse the league into thinking Fields is terrible then everyione will be really surprised when suddenly he's awesome.

Strategery!

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

It's all been a BIG secret. Poles always knew he wanted to keep Fields, and Fields knows how to read defenses and everything, they just hid it all because theyre playing long term poker. If they can just confuse the league into thinking Fields is terrible then everyione will be really surprised when suddenly he's awesome.

Strategery!

 

The truth is ,

the Bears have not decided whether to draft Caleb just yet because his information is incomplete.

The bears are not actively trying to trade Fields. 

The media created these stories then use each other as sources.

The Bears have a better than 60% chance they will draft Caleb because he is a talented player. Poles will let us know when he decides that because he will actively try to trade Justin.

Rapport and Schefter have both reported that and everyone claims there insiders. 

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

 

The truth is ,

the Bears have not decided whether to draft Caleb just yet because his information is incomplete.

The bears are not actively trying to trade Fields. 

The media created these stories then use each other as sources.

The Bears have a better than 60% chance they will draft Caleb because he is a talented player. Poles will let us know when he decides that because he will actively try to trade Justin.

Rapport and Schefter have both reported that and everyone claims there insiders. 

 

Poles hasn't had his chance to really dive into CW yet.  He wants to push his buttons like he did D Wright. If CW can run through the brick wall, he will be a Bear if he thinks he is too good to buy into the team culture, they will trade down.  They might bend a little, but they need to get this evaluation along with medicals.  This is why they cannot shop the QB they have under contract.  Sometime after March 20, they will get this done and can make their decision. 

[Stinger226]

39 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Poles hasn't had his chance to really dive into CW yet.  He wants to push his buttons like he did D Wright. If CW can run through the brick wall, he will be a Bear if he thinks he is too good to buy into the team culture, they will trade down.  They might bend a little, but they need to get this evaluation along with medicals.  This is why they cannot shop the QB they have under contract.  Sometime after March 20, they will get this done and can make their decision. 

That's exactly the way it is. The media created all of this nonsense,  We may draft Caleb but he hasn't decided  that yet. 

[killakrzydav]

No true decision can be made on JF until CW and others are evaluated.

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, killakrzydav said:

No true decision can be made on JF until CW and others are evaluated.

That's just common sense.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

The media created all of this nonsense, 

Going back again to the reasoning we heard why Cliff Stein was fired was because of the concern of ‘watertight integrity’ (a Navy term from back in the day) at Halas Hall.  Warren made it clear he wanted nothing to leak out and allegedly Stein had been involved with something that violated that trust.  To let someone go who had as much time invested in the team was a pretty strong message. 
 

As far as the media is concerned, I was going to bring this up after Diana Russini ended up getting egg on her face yesterday.   Today’s ‘journalist’ is nothing like those from when many of us were growing up.  Too many are concerned with getting “clicks” and sometimes the monetization that goes with it.  Many, especially in the sports world, want to be the first to get the scoop at nearly any cost.  What we’ve been reading and witnessing these last few months about Chicago and Justin is evidence of that.  

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:

Going back again to the reasoning we heard why Cliff Stein was fired was because of the concern of ‘watertight integrity’ (a Navy term from back in the day) at Halas Hall.  Warren made it clear he wanted nothing to leak out and allegedly Stein had been involved with something that violated that trust.  To let someone go who had as much time invested in the team was a pretty strong message. 
 

As far as the media is concerned, I was going to bring this up after Diana Russini ended up getting egg on her face yesterday.   Today’s ‘journalist’ is nothing like those from when many of us were growing up.  Too many are concerned with getting “clicks” and sometimes the monetization that goes with it.  Many, especially in the sports world, want to be the first to get the scoop at nearly any cost.  What we’ve been reading and witnessing these last few months about Chicago and Justin is evidence of that.  

There's 1000s of Bears journalists content now, their trying to get clicks. The media bases everything from the statement ( want to do right by Justin) from Poles at the Combine meaning their trading Fields. Go back and watch the press conference. A reporter asked him , if he drafted a QB, would they trade Justin. Poles said ( if we go down that road we would want to do right by Justin.) Literally commits to nothing. 

He did say he got a great return from trading back last year and would love to have that happen again. 

His statement clearly shows he hasn't decided on anything yet.

 

[Pixote]

Watching FA coverage on NFL network, it is obvious no one knows what the Bears are going to do.

I heard one 'expert' say JF would be traded before FA

Another said before the draft, yet another said best value would be during the draft

One said it would be fine if JF shared the Locker room with a QB drafted, another said it would be a disaster

All of this on one telecast. LOL

 

[BearFan PHX]

6 hours ago, Pixote said:

Watching FA coverage on NFL network, it is obvious no one knows what the Bears are going to do.

I heard one 'expert' say JF would be traded before FA

Another said before the draft, yet another said best value would be during the draft

One said it would be fine if JF shared the Locker room with a QB drafted, another said it would be a disaster

All of this on one telecast. LOL

 

It's the most confusing and divisive issue ever in Chicago Sports.

And I think one could make a case that it could become a QB controversy, or this kind of acrimony could invade the locker room if you keep both?

[Stinger226]

9 hours ago, Pixote said:

Watching FA coverage on NFL network, it is obvious no one knows what the Bears are going to do.

I heard one 'expert' say JF would be traded before FA

Another said before the draft, yet another said best value would be during the draft

One said it would be fine if JF shared the Locker room with a QB drafted, another said it would be a disaster

All of this on one telecast. LOL

 

With all these media members claiming sources telling them info, I never saw anyone connect us to Byard, Swift or Everett until they happened. Poles does not leak information . The pick Caleb, trade Justin is all media generated stories.

Why would Poles decide what he's doing without completely venting the prospects.  He tried to do that after the Combine and Caleb blew him off , which delayed his decision making. I guarantee you Poles didn't like that. He said he wanted to know what he's doing as soon as possible. That Decision got delayed two weeks, creating this chaos. If Poles decided already about Caleb , he would have already traded Justin. You don't have a market to trade someone if you're not trying to trade him. Justin is his backup plan. Everyone he got out of Chicago, he did it immediately, he didn't wait for a better option. Roquan, Claypool, Quinn, Mack were gone right away.

[Mongo3451]

9 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

If Poles decided already about Caleb , he would have already traded Justin. You don't have a market to trade someone if you're not trying to trade him. Justin is his backup plan. Everyone he got out of Chicago, he did it immediately, he didn't wait for a better option. Roquan, Claypool, Quinn, Mack were gone right away.

This is where most media are screwing with the narrative.  There is a huge difference in trading the number one pick vs trading your, current, starting quarterback.  Poles has stated, more than once, that he would have to be blown away by a QB prospect to consider replacing Fields.  At what point does a GM get blown away?  Film?  Doubtful.  Personal interview?  Possible.  Private workout?  Ding ding ding!  This is a career decision for Poles, because billionaires don't care for negative mistakes.  My opinion is that he waits until the personal workout.  Y'all remember when he exhausted Darnell Wright last year, leading Wright to tell Poles, "I'll never quit on you".  If he does that at 9, that should be the minimum for number 1.  So, end of month is probably when he decides on what he wants do at QB.  My guess is that he's told Fields to listen to nobody but either him or Flus until then.

Regarding Fields:  many people have said we can't keep him on the roster due to the QB conflict on the locker room.  It's a big boy game and a big boy business. They all know how it goes.  If Poles approaches Justin and says, "nobody wanted to give up much for you in trade.  So, we are keeping you and drafting a QB at 1.  You will enter camp at number 1 and you will have the opportunity to win the job and show what you are made of".  If he balls out, he could make a case for us to keep him and trade the the rookie.  That's the wildest part of the scenario, with the Fields getting a big trade partner as more likely.  Win win Bears.  If Justin competes and fails, we have shown him the ultimate respect, by allowing him to fall on his sword.  At that point, Bears lose, because we get next to nothing in return for him.  

[Alaskan Grizzly]

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

Regarding Fields:  many people have said we can't keep him on the roster due to the QB conflict on the locker room.  It's a big boy game and a big boy business. They all know how it goes.  If Poles approaches Justin and says, "nobody wanted to give up much for you in trade.  So, we are keeping you and drafting a QB at 1.  You will enter camp at number 1 and you will have the opportunity to win the job and show what you are made of".  If he balls out, he could make a case for us to keep him and trade the the rookie.  That's the wildest part of the scenario, with the Fields getting a big trade partner as more likely.  Win win Bears.  If Justin competes and fails, we have shown him the ultimate respect, by allowing him to fall on his sword.  At that point, Bears lose, because we get next to nothing in return for him.

I will co-sign on all of this...mostly.  The one part that I'm not as sure of IF Justin were to stay and IF he were to FALL ON HIS SWORD and fail while doing so, someone out there will think they can use him in some capacity (as a backup). Whether it be Sean Payton as a backup to whomever they draft and deploy him as a Taysom Hill type player (like when in NO) or Jim Harbaugh using him like his brother's QB in Baltimore, some coach will think they can salvage him.  Heck Buffalo liked Trubisky so much they brought him back for a second tour.  

Meanwhile your idea has a lot of good stuff in it for sure. One of which is the locker room.  I have a strong suspicion a fair number of the players are in Justin's corner.  If he were to return as you suggested and not be able to beat out whatever QB they draft, most everyone would realize it and be better with the move.  Whereas if they wholesale release/trade Justin to another team and IF whomever they draft fails instead, not only would you have a mutiny you'd have a whole new reset soon thereafter (2025?) and back to square one we go.