Breer: Bears have evidently been in touch with Ngakoue

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Evidently Albert Breer was reporting today that the Bears have been in touch with Ngakoue's reps recently. I have to imagine he is there plan B - depending on how things shake out.  I don't know how much he has left - but got to imagine Bears could get him between 5-7M for 1YR.  He has flaws - but not bad from a depth perspective and you don't feel bad if other guys play their way into his role (in fact you prefer it). 

I presume he would be the passing down end - and it would allow you to slide Walker inside on those plays.   

[Stinger226]

Poles was in an interview with Hoges and Jahans snd said he wanted his talented young players to get rep.  Ngakoue was paid 10.5 mil last yr for 3.5 sack. Jacob Martin can give that at 1.3 mil

[AZ54]

24 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Poles was in an interview with Hoges and Jahans snd said he wanted his talented young players to get rep.  Ngakoue was paid 10.5 mil last yr for 3.5 sack. Jacob Martin can give that at 1.3 mil

Yes he can.   I wonder when we get new tidbits if it’s the other way around with Ngakoue getting in touch with the Bears?   Semantics being what they are you know how the agent wants it reported.  

[ASHKUM BEAR]

6 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Yes he can.   I wonder when we get new tidbits if it’s the other way around with Ngakoue getting in touch with the Bears?   Semantics being what they are you know how the agent wants it reported.  

I think Poles is doing his due diligence at exploring talent and costs. Poles/Flus still talk high about Dom Robinson.  Booker and Hardy are showing up as real potential.  I believe it Sweat today mentioned Booker is farther along than he was his rookie year.  I do t see them adding him, but maybe at a bargain. 

[Pixote]

50 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I think Poles is doing his due diligence at exploring talent and costs. Poles/Flus still talk high about Dom Robinson.  Booker and Hardy are showing up as real potential.  I believe it Sweat today mentioned Booker is farther along than he was his rookie year.  I do t see them adding him, but maybe at a bargain. 

Offer him a veteran base salary with a one-million-dollar bonus per solo sack. That should put a fire under his butt.

 

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, Pixote said:

Offer him a veteran base salary with a one-million-dollar bonus per solo sack. That should put a fire under his butt.

 

If that's doable, I don't hate it...💪

[Stinger226]

8 hours ago, Pixote said:

Offer him a veteran base salary with a one-million-dollar bonus per solo sack. That should put a fire under his butt.

 

Someone making 10.5 mil last year, probably looking for 4 or 5 mil. with incentive. If I was in his position as this time of the season , I would take whatever I could get to get on the field. I think egos get in the way. T j Edwards is a good example, he didnt hold out to try to get big money, he took a fair contract and is playing. Easy to say he could have have got more but didnt want to end up looking for a job like Yannick is. 

[adam]

I know they were kicking the tires on Judon, but he is on a completely different level than Ngakoue. If they bring Ngakoue in, Robinson is probably the odd man out. Hardy has outplayed almost everyone on the D-Line next to Booker.

I would roll with the young guys and look for a trading deadline trade instead. The schedule gets more difficult in the 2nd half, so adding talent for the playoff push makes sense. 

[BearFan PHX]

14 hours ago, Pixote said:

Offer him a veteran base salary with a one-million-dollar bonus per solo sack. That should put a fire under his butt.

 

it's a great idea, but capwise I think you have to put all the possible bonuses as likely to be earned, and they count against the cap for this year. If they arent earned, then I think the dollars roll over to next year. So an open ended bonus per sac, would take up an infinite amount of cap space.

In reality, you could have tiers, or a ceiling, but if the idea is that if he has 20 sacks, hed be paid like a top DE, then wed have to carry that top DE cap number for this year, so there is a limit to how rich it could get.

But we could certainly pay him $4M or $5M with another 3 or 4 in incentive like Stinger says.

 

43 minutes ago, adam said:

I would roll with the young guys and look for a trading deadline trade instead. The schedule gets more difficult in the 2nd half, so adding talent for the playoff push makes sense. 

Barring a trade for a top talent like a Trey Hendrickson or something, I think this is the most likely path.

[Pixote]

1 hour ago, adam said:

I would roll with the young guys and look for a trading deadline trade instead. The schedule gets more difficult in the 2nd half, so adding talent for the playoff push makes sense. 

Hopefully, this will be mute if Booker continues to develop. We might not need to trade for an Edge at the trade deadline, but instead, "if needed" pick up a solid starter for the OL.

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

32 minutes ago, Pixote said:

Hopefully, this will be mute if Booker continues to develop. We might not need to trade for an Edge at the trade deadline, but instead, "if needed" pick up a solid starter for the OL.

 

Amegadjie OT returned and might start to push Braxton.  Nate Davis is also back, thought I read his take on that last year on how he avoids the offseason to save himself.   Center hasn't looked worse off and Kramer actually looks decent for a 3rd string backup. I think Bates becomes the backup G.  I think we hold cap until we have to extend our own or sign help.  

[AZ54]

1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Amegadjie OT returned and might start to push Braxton.  Nate Davis is also back, thought I read his take on that last year on how he avoids the offseason to save himself.   Center hasn't looked worse off and Kramer actually looks decent for a 3rd string backup. I think Bates becomes the backup G.  I think we hold cap until we have to extend our own or sign help.  

A kid coming out of Yale? Missing all of the entire offseason and training camp is miles away from challenging a starter.  I’m hoping he can challenge Borom to be our backup OT.   At this point even that might be optimistic.  

[Stinger226]

The best we can hope for is Kiwan is able to be a backup by the 5th or 6th game. 

If we get 20 sacks between Sweat and Booker, is everyone okay with that? 12 and 8

[ASHKUM BEAR]

6 hours ago, AZ54 said:

A kid coming out of Yale? Missing all of the entire offseason and training camp is miles away from challenging a starter.  I’m hoping he can challenge Borom to be our backup OT.   At this point even that might be optimistic.  

Braxton Jones lined up as the starter Aug 10 his rookie year as a 5th Rd pick and been there since.  Amegadjia has not missed anything other than the physicality portion of camp and will start getting that work in soon. I didn't say he will start game one or at all, but he will push Jones. If he cannot be in that position in 3-4 weeks, then IR him and bring in another body. 

If you look at Dukes competition, he played Clemson, Notre Dame, UConn, North Carolina, Wake Forest, NC State, Louisville, Florida State, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Virginia...so it's not like they play nobody. 

He has 3 weeks before kickoff, I would not be surprised if he is dressing game  3 or 4 and if Jones falters he could get some action. 

[Stinger226]

9 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Braxton Jones lined up as the starter Aug 10 his rookie year as a 5th Rd pick and been there since.  Amegadjia has not missed anything other than the physicality portion of camp and will start getting that work in soon. I didn't say he will start game one or at all, but he will push Jones. If he cannot be in that position in 3-4 weeks, then IR him and bring in another body. 

If you look at Dukes competition, he played Clemson, Notre Dame, UConn, North Carolina, Wake Forest, NC State, Louisville, Florida State, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Virginia...so it's not like they play nobody. 

He has 3 weeks before kickoff, I would not be surprised if he is dressing game  3 or 4 and if Jones falters he could get some action. 

I think Poles drafted Kiran to compete with Braxton and may end up with the better OT. I dont think it changes early. Jones  did well but the neck injury may effect his future. If both are good, he could play either one at a OG if he deems it neccesary in the future. He values players that can play several posotions and wants the best 5 on the field. 

[AZ54]

16 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Braxton Jones lined up as the starter Aug 10 his rookie year as a 5th Rd pick and been there since.  Amegadjia has not missed anything other than the physicality portion of camp and will start getting that work in soon. I didn't say he will start game one or at all, but he will push Jones. If he cannot be in that position in 3-4 weeks, then IR him and bring in another body. 

If you look at Dukes competition, he played Clemson, Notre Dame, UConn, North Carolina, Wake Forest, NC State, Louisville, Florida State, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Virginia...so it's not like they play nobody. 

He has 3 weeks before kickoff, I would not be surprised if he is dressing game  3 or 4 and if Jones falters he could get some action. 

Kiran is coming off a serious injury that has kept him off the field for 10 months.   Jones had a full offseason to prepare and also lesser competition to win the job.  College competition level might have been similar between the two but Kiran never saw the likes of that Duke schedule.  I love his potential but I just think he needs a year to adjust.  If he allows us to walk away from paying Jones 2nd contract that a big win for the roster because that big money can help us keep or sign another good player.   

[ASHKUM BEAR]

4 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Kiran is coming off a serious injury that has kept him off the field for 10 months.   Jones had a full offseason to prepare and also lesser competition to win the job.  College competition level might have been similar between the two but Kiran never saw the likes of that Duke schedule.  I love his potential but I just think he needs a year to adjust.  If he allows us to walk away from paying Jones 2nd contract that a big win for the roster because that big money can help us keep or sign another good player.   

It's hard to hold a roster spot open for a guy in who won't be ready, so we may see him redshirted.  He does have 2-1/2 weeks to get into shape before the season, so he has a shot to make it.  After the first 3 or 4 games, they could call on him to dress on game day. If Jones stumbles, then maybe they see what he has. I just don't t see a reason to bring in another olineman unless he isn't available or you get a clear cut stud at C or G.