Caleb Williams QBR Tracker

[Stinger226]

I think CW showed flashes but when things were breaking down, was holding the ball to long. On several plays, a player was open quickly and held the ball to long that let the pressure get to him. It is just a growth process and he is way to talented to judge in two games. 

We dealt with the same thing last yr with Justin. He showed flashes but held the ball to long on to many plays. You either look at the positive or the negative side. As a player going threw a growing period, he is going to do both.

[adam]

A much better week for Williams. He has his first 300-yd game in his 3rd career game. Fields has one in his entire career at 335 yds. Trubisky's high was 355, so Williams eclipsed the last two highly drafted QBs for the Bears. 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

This was huge progress. Mistakes sure but 363 yards…most by a Bears qb in 16 years. Oh and until Dak surpassed him it was the most yards in the NFL in any one start. 
 

Caleb has work and he will make mistakes but he is learning and I’m excited. I said in this first quarter of the season I wanted a 300 yard game…box checked…next up a 3TD game. 

[BearFan PHX]

27 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

This was huge progress. Mistakes sure but 363 yards…most by a Bears qb in 16 years. Oh and until Dak surpassed him it was the most yards in the NFL in any one start. 
 

Caleb has work and he will make mistakes but he is learning and I’m excited. I said in this first quarter of the season I wanted a 300 yard game…box checked…next up a 3TD game. 

I like the way youre thinking.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Shoot…not that it says a lot…this was 11th most passing yards in a single game in franchise history. 

[BearFan PHX]

and with all that production, the coaches were only able to cobble 16 points out of it.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

55 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

This was huge progress. Mistakes sure but 363 yards…most by a Bears qb in 16 years. Oh and until Dak surpassed him it was the most yards in the NFL in any one start. 
 

Caleb has work and he will make mistakes but he is learning and I’m excited. I said in this first quarter of the season I wanted a 300 yard game…box checked…next up a 3TD game. 

He needed a stat day, check.  He now needs to put it together earlier.  I know growing pains are expected but watching these games, we want to see wins or even domination.  It will be a long year

[BearFan PHX]

I also think that when Caleb gets a little more cred (which could be very soon) he will start telling Waldron which plays he likes and which ones he doesnt.

That may be the "outside voice" we need

And if you doubt that Caleb would have that kind of power, consider that although it should never come to this, if Caleb and Waldron cant get along, it will be Waldron who gets fired.

[adam]

QBR still hates Williams, mainly due to the INTs. He had a 35.8 QBR against the Colts. Richardson had a 17.6 and won. 

Williams now has a 26.5 QBR for the season, which is only higher than Bryce Young and DeMassage Watson.

An interesting find while looking at QBR, Goff is off this year, he is at a 34.1. His last two seasons, he was above 60.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Jayden Daniel's looked like Stroud tonight. Night and day difference how a QB can look without seeing pressure nonstop. Flus might need to hand the d coordinator job to Washington so he can get a handle on the offense. 

[BearFan PHX]

18 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Jayden Daniel's looked like Stroud tonight. Night and day difference how a QB can look without seeing pressure nonstop. Flus might need to hand the d coordinator job to Washington so he can get a handle on the offense. 

I dont think Flus would know hwat to do if he was OC. I really dont. And that is not Ok for a HC.

[adam]

7 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Jayden Daniel's looked like Stroud tonight. Night and day difference how a QB can look without seeing pressure nonstop. Flus might need to hand the d coordinator job to Washington so he can get a handle on the offense. 

Amazing what it looks like when you are only pressured 4 times. Funny enough that 2 of those plays ended up in sacks, yet Cincy decided that they would just rush 4 the rest of the game. 

Honestly, that makes Caleb's 363 yard game look even better. He was pressured at a ridiculous rate and still threw for more than 65 yards more than Daniels, which if you watched the game, it sounded like he threw for 1000 yards and 22 TDs. Watching the game he has 2 amazing throws to McLaurin. One difference was McLaurin caught the balls. 

I never doubted Daniels experience or skill, it was his frame and willingness to run. He will get hurt. He is like Johnny Knox at QB. It is just a matter of time in the NFL with that type of build. 

[Stinger226]

10 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I dont think Flus would know hwat to do if he was OC. I really dont. And that is not Ok for a HC.

I think we would be running the ball much better right now and have a strong defense. We are  doing one of those.

[Bears4Ever_34]

11 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Jayden Daniel's looked like Stroud tonight. Night and day difference how a QB can look without seeing pressure nonstop. Flus might need to hand the d coordinator job to Washington so he can get a handle on the offense. 

Kingsbury has him playing smart, efficient football. I disagree that he looks like Stroud. If you watch Daniels play, he's still very much a 1 read/take off and run QB. The good news is that his 1st read is almost always open because most of his throws are not going beyond 15 yards of the LOS. They sprinkle in a few deep shots here and there, but WAS has done a good job of giving him a heavy dose of screens, quick hitches, and slants to get him into a rhythm. If the 1st option isn't there, he either dumps it off to a RB or he just takes off and runs for positive yardage nearly everytime. 

I'll be very curious to see how he adjusts when defenses begin to sit on the short stuff and do a better job of containing him in the pocket. Right now, it's working tremendously, but he's going to have to improve as a full field reader, like Stroud did, if he wants to sustain a long career in the NFL.

I see a lot of RGIII in his game with a little weaker arm. He looks too skinny to withstand the punishment he's taking on some of those hits. I don't think his body holds up long term, but for right now, things appear to be clicking.

[BearFan PHX]

On Sunday, I said

On 9/22/2024 at 9:32 PM, BearFan PHX said:

I also think that when Caleb gets a little more cred (which could be very soon) he will start telling Waldron which plays he likes and which ones he doesnt.

That may be the "outside voice" we need

And if you doubt that Caleb would have that kind of power, consider that although it should never come to this, if Caleb and Waldron cant get along, it will be Waldron who gets fired.

And here's the first hint of it

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2024/09/25/caleb-williams-speaks-2/

I wanted  a tough coach like Harbaugh to bring accountability. Doesnt need to be a yeller, but needs to hold people accountable, and raise the level of commitment, focus and performance. And the offense sure looks like it needs it. But there is nothing wrong with that kind of leadership coming from your QB.

I said something about this a few months back too, about keeping Eberflus when that got announced. Maybe Caleb will just drag this team kicking and screaming into relevance despite the coaches.

Maybe having Williams have a voice in picking the next head coach or OC will make a difference in getting the right plan in place for our team if it comes to that.

Forget this the team needs to save the QB stuff, how about a hero QB saves the team?

[Stinger226]

The QB should be communicating with the OC , thgat's how they figure out what works best.

[BearFan PHX]

52 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

The QB should be communicating with the OC , thgat's how they figure out what works best.

of course, but there are levels. Our staff babysat Trubisky, and Brady tells his coach what to do. Bruce Arians said Brady was co-Head Coach in Tamp Bay.

And of course every level in between.

Im just saying that Waldron is screwing up and i think Caleb knows football, and the balance of power may be shifting as Caleb grows, and I was just mentioning that this would happen, but I didnt expect it so soon. THe article is just a small thing, but it's an evolution that will happen, and honestly I think Caleb is more of a winner than Waldron is.

So if the voice of accountability comes from our QB instead of a hot head head coach, that can work.

[Pixote]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

of course, but there are levels. Our staff babysat Trubisky, and Brady tells his coach what to do. Bruce Arians said Brady was co-Head Coach in Tamp Bay.

And of course every level in between.

Im just saying that Waldron is screwing up and i think Caleb knows football, and the balance of power may be shifting as Caleb grows, and I was just mentioning that this would happen, but I didnt expect it so soon. THe article is just a small thing, but it's an evolution that will happen, and honestly I think Caleb is more of a winner than Waldron is.

So if the voice of accountability comes from our QB instead of a hot head head coach, that can work.

Yes, it's normal for a QB to give feedback to his OC regarding his preferences and opinions. It isn't always wise to make it so public. One might consider going into such detail throwing his OC "under the bus." Not a good thing. Some things should "stay in-house" and not be aired out in the press. Especially by a Rookie QB who, although showing progress, has a QBR under 30 and has a lot to learn.

It has nothing to do with Flus. Flus holds players accountable. He doesn't need a rookie QB to help him do so.

Are you still harping on Hard Ass, I mean, Harbaugh, not being hired by the Bears?

Harbaugh runs a "blue-collar" system.

1) Tough Defense.

2) Run the hell out of the ball on offense. Pass only when you have to. Run, Run, Run, then, maybe, pass.

3) Tough Defense.

Sound familiar?

It's the same system Halas established in 1920. It's the same system we used for almost 100 years, refusing to recognize that the league had begun relying more on the passing game. Many of us wanted to see the Bears move away from the old system and join the rest of the league.

Is that why we drafted Caleb? To operate a "run first" offense with little emphasis on the passing game?

I assumed and was hoping that with the WRs/TEs we have and spending the top pick in the draft on Caleb and then #9 on Rome, we would be looking to establish a high-scoring modern offense.

If not, then we should have signed Hard Ass, traded the number one pick for a shit load of picks, and returned to "1920 football."

 

[BearFan PHX]

11 minutes ago, Pixote said:

Yes, it's normal for a QB to give feedback to his OC regarding his preferences and opinions. It isn't always wise to make it so public. One might consider going into such detail throwing his OC "under the bus." Not a good thing. Some things should "stay in-house" and not be aired out in the press. Especially by a Rookie QB who, although showing progress, has a QBR under 30 and has a lot to learn.

It has nothing to do with Flus. Flus holds players accountable. He doesn't need a rookie QB to help him do so.

Are you still harping on Hard Ass, I mean, Harbaugh, not being hired by the Bears?

Harbaugh runs a "blue-collar" system.

1) Tough Defense.

2) Run the hell out of the ball on offense. Pass only when you have to. Run, Run, Run, then, maybe, pass.

3) Tough Defense.

Sound familiar?

It's the same system Halas established in 1920. It's the same system we used for almost 100 years, refusing to recognize that the league had begun relying more on the passing game. Many of us wanted to see the Bears move away from the old system and join the rest of the league.

Is that why we drafted Caleb? To operate a "run first" offense with little emphasis on the passing game?

I assumed and was hoping that with the WRs/TEs we have and spending the top pick in the draft on Caleb and then #9 on Rome, we would be looking to establish a high-scoring modern offense.

If not, then we should have signed Hard Ass, traded the number one pick for a shit load of picks, and returned to "1920 football."

 

I think you're making a false choice. Even modern passing offenses have a running game. Ours has been terrible. It needs to get better. Our pass protection too needs to get better and the playcalling needs to get better.

Im saying Waldron is over his head, and I hope Caleb can take some control of the mess and bring it into focus from his part of the collaboration as the QB. SOme lead, some follow. I suspect Caleb will be more of a leader than, say, Justin was to Getsy.

Now, to characterising my statement here as "harping" I dont get it. We just disagree, theres nothing weird about my position, you just dont agree with it - cool. But it isnt unacceptably flawed or anything, it's just my opinion.

As for Flus, I dont see for sure how accountable he is really making them. He came into the press conference and wanted to talk about the good things. Listening to Flus talk, I dont hear a lot of accountability. Caleb on the other hand, takes good personal accountability, and he also calls out the entire team. It doesnt need to be a temper tantrum, just "we really need to do that better, you cant win games this way" rather than the rosy upbeat professional corporate "quality comes first, please hold"

What I was saying, was that when I was "harping" before about wishing we had a harder nosed leader like a Harbaugh or similar motivator, that i was giving Eberflus some slack saying, maybe that hard nosed voice will come from our QB, and Eberflus can keep being a sunshine guy.

[Pixote]

5 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

As for Fous, I dont see for sure how accountable he is making them. He came into the press conference and wanted to talk about the good things. Listening to Flus talk, I dont hear a lot of accountability. Caleb on the other hand, takes good personal accountability, and he also calls out the entire team.

What I was saying, was that when I was "harping" before about wishing we had a harder nosed leader like a Harbaugh or similar motivator, that i was giving Eberflus some slack saying, maybe that hard nosed voice will come from our QB, and Eberflus can keep being a sunshine guy.

I'm reasonably sure Flus holds his players accountable, but not publicly. As I said, some things should be kept in-house.

 

[BearFan PHX]

40 minutes ago, Pixote said:

I'm reasonably sure Flus holds his players accountable, but not publicly. As I said, some things should be kept in-house.

 

I think he could take a little more accountability in the press conferences, but I think in general hes a positive guy, but he failed to motivate Davis, and Waldron is still making the same mistakes.

I do see some beginnings of changes, but I just dont see the OL playing with any fire.

We have no identity on offense, and that is right in the lap of the motivation aspects of the head coach.

FLus has made other serious errors too, but Ill keep this post just to the question of motivation and accountability.

[Stinger226]

There are clear things you can see in a game that is a direct right or wrong decision by a coach but a lot of what we see could be blamed on a player, coach, HC.  When CW throws a pass to an area and the WR run a different route, is that the WR or the QB fault? We dont know the answer to that.

If a DE has no one blocking him, was it a bad play call or did the QB fail to make a line call adjustment? What we do know is the play failed. First it is obvious breakdown , player didnt execute, bad play call, or QB failed to call the play properly? We dont have to answer to these questions. 

   When we lose everything gets picked a part and when we win, we look at the good plays and praise them. 

I think Harbaugh is a really good coach but hr plays old school as Pix stated, tough defense, major running game, and controlled passing. That is a winning combination . He has one of the better QBs in the league and they're throwing 22 passes , 135 yards a game. If Harbaugh was here we probably would have won the 3 games because he wouldnt have put the QB in the position to make those mistakes with 22 passes a game and 135 yards a game. Eventual he would get hammered for not having a modern day passing game, he would be critized for wasting a high end QB. 

I thought everyone wanted the modern day passing game instead of what the Bears have always did in the past? Our coaches are developing CW and letting him make mistakes to hurry the process, unfortuinately that results in some losses until the QB grows past that.  They could have dumbed down the offense and limited CWs effect on the game  for sake of winning but they are doing exactly what they should be doing letting CW develop. The coaches are being hammered instead of being praised for doing the right thing.( develop CW) 

[BearFan PHX]

Modern day passing teams still also run the ball. When they do, they use blocking schemes that have names.

When we do it, we ask players to make blocks by scheme that are pretty much impossible. If you watch the all 22 film after the game, and look at the blocking assignments, some of them are CRAZY.

It's yet another example of the "smartest guy in the room" - we are reinventing football, when what we really need to do is just play football.

Also, our coaching staff seems to pay no attention to personnel groupings, and we end up asking the wrong players to do the wrong things. Kennan Allen is not a speed clearout guy. Deandre Carter cannot hold the edge against a DE. Cole Kmet cannot pull across the entire line and make it to the point of attack on the other side.

So far the overall offensive scheme has been a joke.

[Stinger226]

CW is a rookie QB , if he sees 5 or 6 players on the line ,he is suppose to make a line adjustment to pick up the extra pressure, if he doesnt do that, that's not the OCs fault. My point is we dont know where the mistakes are being made, as fas as I'm concerned everyone gets the blame not one person.

 

[adam]

Caleb had a 38.8 QBR against LAR. So the last 2 weeks he has improved from 21.1 > 35.6 > 38.8. So there is progress. Sacks have went from 7 > 4 > 3. INTs went from 2 > 2 > 0 and he had his 2nd straight game with a TD pass. With how bad the O-Line still is and now injury to Jenkins, this is decent work. He just needs to continually improve week in and week out.