Connorbear Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Good stuff on Brown today. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...bside31.article Statement that really bothers me: Brown signed a five-year extension in 2004 with a base value of $11 million, a deal he's also not happy with. What made his overtures last offseason somewhat surprising was the fact his agent, Joel Segal, has a close relationship with general manager Jerry Angelo. It was Angelo who met running back Thomas Jones' request for a trade last March after he waited a year. ''We'll definitely talk to him again,'' Brown said. ''If he feels that is what is best for the team, that's what we'll do. If not, he'll do something else. I've played at a level where I deserve more than what I'm making now. I don't really know what is going to happen, though.'' You signed the deal, Alex. No one forced you. I respect your honesty but you have a contract with 2 yrs left on it. The Bears hold all the cards in this negotiation. They are not going to re-negotiate your contract with 2 yrs left and they are not going to trade you unless they get what they want in a trade. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBearSox Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Yea well, I am working at a level where I deserve more pay too but shit we don't always get what we want. freakin greedy bastards, this is where the NE Pats get all the credit.....you never hear their players complaining about money, and they are one of the cheapest teams in the league.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted December 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Yea well, I am working at a level where I deserve more pay too but shit we don't always get what we want. freakin greedy bastards, this is where the NE Pats get all the credit.....you never hear their players complaining about money, and they are one of the cheapest teams in the league.... Agreed that players can be greedy bastards. Disagree about the Pats. Just look at Deon Branch and Asante Samuel. Branch held out and was traded. Samuel held out as well for some time this yr. Didn't they have a safety a few yrs back that ended up being traded to Buffalo because he was bitching about his contract? I can't remember his name but I remember he wasn't happy about his contract. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted December 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Agreed that players can be greedy bastards. Disagree about the Pats. Just look at Deon Branch and Asante Samuel. Branch held out and was traded. Samuel held out as well for some time this yr. Didn't they have a safety a few yrs back that ended up being traded to Buffalo because he was bitching about his contract? I can't remember his name but I remember he wasn't happy about his contract. Peace Player I was thinking of was Lawyer Milloy. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I think it is dissapointing that Alex Brown does this but I really can't blame players in this case because they sign a deal that is good on there end and they can't really opt out of it, but the owners can opt out 24/7 if anything happens to such player. However, I don't think Brown has played to the point where he should get an extension, nor do I Think he will garnish the value it would take on the trade market for the Bears to be willing to deal him. Alex Brown should have started this season (we all saw how superior he is to Anderson the past couple weeks) and I just hope the Bears realize what they always had in Brown and stick with him (Brown and Ogunleye are complete ends and while Brown may never get 15 sacks in a season, he'll get good pressure, tips, play the run outstandingly, and make plays). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I think it is dissapointing that Alex Brown does this but I really can't blame players in this case because they sign a deal that is good on there end and they can't really opt out of it, but the owners can opt out 24/7 if anything happens to such player. However, I don't think Brown has played to the point where he should get an extension, nor do I Think he will garnish the value it would take on the trade market for the Bears to be willing to deal him. Alex Brown should have started this season (we all saw how superior he is to Anderson the past couple weeks) and I just hope the Bears realize what they always had in Brown and stick with him (Brown and Ogunleye are complete ends and while Brown may never get 15 sacks in a season, he'll get good pressure, tips, play the run outstandingly, and make plays). I'll take the opposite side here, and say that IMO, at least one out of Brown and O-Gun needs to be traded this offseason, simply because the Bears have chosen to spend draft picks on D-Linemen the last 2 years (one low and one medium). I continue to believe the key to building a successful program in the NFL is the draft, and you either live or die based on who you draft. And therefore, if you draft a person, you have eventually no choice but to play him and move people out of his way. We've drafted Anderson and Bazuin the last 2 years, Anderson has been very good but we haven't yet seen Bazuin. But that gives the Bears 4 potential Defensive Ends, and that's too much talent to lock up in those positions. The calculation you have to make is...if you traded Brown or O-Gun, let's say you brought back a pick or a WR or an O-Linemen to fill a hole for you. Yes, you create a hole on the D-Line, but you create a hole at a spot where you have 2 recent draftees, and you use that guy to fill one of the gaping holes you already have. If you do it right, you can arrange things so that the upgrade you get from filling the hole is much more important than the hole you make by trading the guy at the position you're strong at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GakMan23 Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 " If you do it right, you can arrange things so that the upgrade you get from filling the hole is much more important than the hole you make by trading the guy at the position you're strong at. " Please see the safety position last offseason when we got rid of quality DEPTH at position we were supposedly strong at, then an injury later, it is a need again with this team.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 " If you do it right, you can arrange things so that the upgrade you get from filling the hole is much more important than the hole you make by trading the guy at the position you're strong at. " Please see the safety position last offseason when we got rid of quality DEPTH at position we were supposedly strong at, then an injury later, it is a need again with this team.... In a league with a salary cap, you can't go 3-4 potential pro bowlers deep at a single position without sabotaging yourself. You gamble by selling on a guy, but you're guaranteed to lose by holding onto every single guy you have just because you're afraid of someone getting hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Id rather keep Brown and trade Anderson. He might still have good value because of his rookie year and because he is signed to a small contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixote Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Id rather keep Brown and trade Anderson. He might still have good value because of his rookie year and because he is signed to a small contract. I want to see us keep both, A Brown as starter with AO, Anderson as a backup & situational pass rusher. Brown is cheap, you will not find a better bargain at DE than he is right now and he is a very good DE to boot. Anderson has too much potential to let go. Killer 1st year, hit the wall in his 2nd, but may wind up being a kick butt DE with a little more grooming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Id rather keep Brown and trade Anderson. He might still have good value because of his rookie year and because he is signed to a small contract. that's stupid. We trade the young pass rusher who's value is at it's lowest and keep the guy entering his 30's, has attitude problems, and wants more money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I'll take the opposite side here, and say that IMO, at least one out of Brown and O-Gun needs to be traded this offseason, simply because the Bears have chosen to spend draft picks on D-Linemen the last 2 years (one low and one medium). I continue to believe the key to building a successful program in the NFL is the draft, and you either live or die based on who you draft. And therefore, if you draft a person, you have eventually no choice but to play him and move people out of his way. We've drafted Anderson and Bazuin the last 2 years, Anderson has been very good but we haven't yet seen Bazuin. But that gives the Bears 4 potential Defensive Ends, and that's too much talent to lock up in those positions. The calculation you have to make is...if you traded Brown or O-Gun, let's say you brought back a pick or a WR or an O-Linemen to fill a hole for you. Yes, you create a hole on the D-Line, but you create a hole at a spot where you have 2 recent draftees, and you use that guy to fill one of the gaping holes you already have. If you do it right, you can arrange things so that the upgrade you get from filling the hole is much more important than the hole you make by trading the guy at the position you're strong at. That is fine and dandy, but unless you are going to get a 2nd round pick or similar talent for Ogun or Brown you are making a massive mistake, imo. Bazuin is completely raw and I have no problem with Anderson starting again (although I clearly think we've seen he isn't ready to be a starter in the NFL and is more effective as a pass rush specialist). Now if a team were to offer a trade that gets the Bears are very good WR (not pro bowler, but a legit #2 WR) for Alex Brown I would be happy to do such a thing (or a high draft pick). But very rarely when you trade a proven player do you get value in return (especially if it is a draft pick you are getting back). So in theory I don't necessarily have a problem with your idea but in practice I see it very difficult to get equal value back when you are trading anything except draft picks (or players who are on the franchise end of thigns and as such there aren't any salary cap rammifcations surrounding a trade). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Id rather keep Brown and trade Anderson. He might still have good value because of his rookie year and because he is signed to a small contract. Out of all the guys, to be honest, I'd rather deal Ogunleye since he is the oldest of the group and has the biggest contract. However, he is also the most productive and as Strahan has showed, a quality defensive end can actually get better with age (surprisingly enough). Bottom line no matter how much I rip on Anderson for being a one dimensional player, I also admit he has a ton of talent and is very cheap for the Bears so there isn't a chance in hell I'd trade/give him up. I also love Idonjie as a quality backup which is why I wouldn't be opposed to getting rid of one guy, but like I said, I'd want to get value in return and I don't know if that is out there, but I guess if there was a position teams seem to always be looking for help, it is at the pass rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted January 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I want to see us keep both, A Brown as starter with AO, Anderson as a backup & situational pass rusher. Brown is cheap, you will not find a better bargain at DE than he is right now and he is a very good DE to boot. Anderson has too much potential to let go. Killer 1st year, hit the wall in his 2nd, but may wind up being a kick butt DE with a little more grooming. I agree - you keep both. You have no idea what you have from Bazuin. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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