Week 8 Official Game Thread - CHI @ WAS, SUN 10/27, 3:25PM, CBS, Bears -2.5, O/U 43.5

[Bears4Ever_34]

27 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

LOL

there's tons of blame to go around. The coaches are not good.

The call to Kramer was a joke.
The 4th and 1 in the 2nd quarter was an error. Punt there. Instead they gave away an easy FG.
Kmet was on the bench for too much of the 4th qtr
We were running too much out of shotgun
We came out flat in the first qtr after a bye
He should have thrown the challenge flag, even if just to damper the momentum
allowing that out on the second to last play totally unchallenged set up the hail mary
And as you say, they didnt tell the players to play the hail mary that way, but they did - thats discipline and teaching - in other words COACHING.
Delay of game, false start, personal foul, illegal formation - all discipline penalties.

And in general the team was flat and not prepared.

This was on the players AND the coaches. Flus, Waldron and Morgan are NOT good.
 

You encapsulated it perfectly. 

Matt Eberflus has 3 road victories in almost 3 years as a HC. He lost 3 games alone last year in historic fashion and somehow kept his job despite being gifted the #1 overall pick and an opportunity to reset the clock with the entire staff. He will always be the team's limiting factor in big games, especially within the division, where he might as well be coaching in a different league compared to Lafleur, OConnel, and Cambell. He's not even remotely in the same universe as those other 3.

The players always deserve blame, but this was the most obvious coaching loss I've probably ever seen. They had 2 weeks to prepare for this game and scored 0 points in the 1st half, against one of the bottom defenses and worst secondaries in the entire NFL. 

The two biggest plays that lost them the game was the Kramer play at the goal line and the decision to not blitz the hailmary or guard against the deflected pass. That's not a player issue, that's 100% on the coaches, and they both occurred in the final 4 minutes of the game!

[BearFan PHX]

2 minutes ago, Pixote said:

I could give a damn good rebuttal to every point you made, but it would be useless. 

According to you, anything that goes wrong is the fault of coaching.

I expected that because you had made up your mind before the season even began that Flus sucks and should have been replaced.

IMHO, that is ****

But again, it would be a waste of my time to try to convince you otherwise.

It's one of those things where we will have to accept "irreconcilable differences" 😉

 

SO lets not get personal OK? The thing is we disagree, thats not because I have a character flaw.

I said the players took a huge share of the blame, but youre just trying to make this about me for some odd reason. Please dont.

We simply disagree. I think the coaching has been awful. Lets not let this degrade to the personal shots that took over the Justin fight. You thought that was a personal problem with me too, but it wasnt.

So lets stay not personal ok?

[BearFan PHX]

and for the record, I had said some flattering things about Flus the last couple of weeks, and I did absolutely say that the players deserve a huge share of this too.

This isnt some personal vendetta I have against Flus - thats really dumb.

[Pixote]

3 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

SO lets not get personal OK? The thing is we disagree, thats not because I have a character flaw.

I said the players took a huge share of the blame, but youre just trying to make this about me for some odd reason. Please dont.

We simply disagree. I think the coaching has been awful. Lets not let this degrade to the personal shots that took over the Justin fight. You thought that was a personal problem with me too, but it wasnt.

So lets stay not personal ok?

Good Grief. I did not take personal shots at you.

In so many words, I said that I totally disagree with you and that it would be foolish to try to convince you that you were wrong in your assessment. 

You need to stop taking everything I say personal.

 

[BearFan PHX]

4 minutes ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

You encapsulated it perfectly. 

Matt Eberflus has 3 road victories in almost 3 years as a HC. He lost 3 games alone last year in historic fashion and somehow kept his job despite being gifted the #1 overall pick and an opportunity to reset the clock with the entire staff. He will always be the team's limiting factor in big games, especially within the division, where he might as well be coaching in a different league compared to Lafleur, OConnel, and Cambell. He's not even remotely in the same universe as those other 3.

hes not the worst coach that ever lived, but he does more bad than good in my opinion. whatever he is, he is certainly not a great coach.

Im more concerned with Waldron and Morgan. The personel usage was weird again. If youre gonna throw that iso pass to the left corner of the endzone (the fade) why put Carter there when you have Odunze who is quite a bit taller?

I think its Xs and Os to this guy, and he doesnt think about the players.

"Fullback up the middle" cool - but in this case your fullback is a 3rd string OG who doesnt have hands. But they dont think about it. Or they just try to fool everyone, and the NFL is FULL of pros - dont fool people on the 1, pound it in.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

The better team won. Caleb and the Bears were bad today on offense. They were not prepared coming out of a bye but they did fight back and Caleb played his best in the 4th quarter…but too little too late. 
 

Sucks though cause I was perfectly fine stealing a win late 

[BearFan PHX]

6 minutes ago, Pixote said:

Good Grief. I did not take personal shots at you.

In so many words, I said that I totally disagree with you and that it would be foolish to try to convince you that you were wrong in your assessment. 

You need to stop taking everything I say personal.

 

No. Im not going to fight with you, but everything you said was about me and how I couldnt even hear your argument.

Dude, dont go there - be a grownup and take responsibility for what you said, and be more civil and less personal please.

You absolutely called me by name and said my bias was the problem and I wouldnt listen and I have it out for Flus.

Tell my why you disagree, not that I have a character problem. Please. We dont need to go there again.

And as we go forward, I am going to handle this firmly but without anger. Im just saying this in a calm tone of voice. Lets not go there again. Lay out the facts, tell me where Im wrong, or dont, but dont post about ME and my character please - cuz you dont know me and youre 100% wrong about me.

[BearFan PHX]

41 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

The better team won. Caleb and the Bears were bad today on offense. They were not prepared coming out of a bye but they did fight back and Caleb played his best in the 4th quarter…but too little too late. 
 

Sucks though cause I was perfectly fine stealing a win late 

100% - we didnt deserve this one, but we do see what a competitor Williams is, and how hot he was ont he sideline urging his team to win - thats GREAT stuff to see!

Ive been saying, this season is almost like a video game - each level gets harder progressively, and as we reach each new level of opponent we will have to learn to dig deeper and win. This is a good tough lessons for us. Bloodied our lip, now we learn how hard it is to win.

I wanted the win today for sure - but i think we can build on this and hopefully become tougher and better.

before the season I invoked the 1984 Bears talking about exactly this - they had a great roster - most of the same guys on the 85 team, and they beat a lot of mid teams, but then they met Montana and the 49ers in the NFC championship game, and got beat pretty bad. They learned from that, and the team was totally different the next year.

Hopefully we learn those kind of lessons this year.

The goals are for Caleb to learn how to be an NFL QB, and for the team to toughen up.

We are on schedule

[Bears4Ever_34]

36 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

The better team won. Caleb and the Bears were bad today on offense. They were not prepared coming out of a bye but they did fight back and Caleb played his best in the 4th quarter…but too little too late. 
 

Sucks though cause I was perfectly fine stealing a win late 

True. The Commanders had 480 yards of offense and had 2 touchdowns that were called back due to penalty. They were lucky this game wasn't over at halftime.

Matt Eberflus is a bottom 10 head coach and Dan Quinn is top 10 right now with the job he's done with a bad roster. That's the difference with the two football teams. This team had their chance to upgrade in the off-season and declined. You reap what you sow. They never learn.

[Stinger226]

Is it okay to hold on Hail Mary plays?

[BearFan PHX]

21 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Is it okay to hold on Hail Mary plays?

Yeah, there was TONS of holding on that play - and we STILL should have defeated the attempt.

Grrrr.

[Mongo3451]

The vital video of Tyreek is crazy. Poetic justice is a bitch...

[DABEARSDABOMB]

3 hours ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

True. The Commanders had 480 yards of offense and had 2 touchdowns that were called back due to penalty. They were lucky this game wasn't over at halftime.

Matt Eberflus is a bottom 10 head coach and Dan Quinn is top 10 right now with the job he's done with a bad roster. That's the difference with the two football teams. This team had their chance to upgrade in the off-season and declined. You reap what you sow. They never learn.

I agree with this. I don’t mind Flus - he isn’t awful - but Harbaugh was there for the taking and the Bears were afraid to go for great. 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

I expected some duds from rookie qb - this was one - I’m excited to see how he responds next week. Shoot the way he responded in 4th quarter was nice. 

[BearFan PHX]

2 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

I agree with this. I don’t mind Flus - he isn’t awful - but Harbaugh was there for the taking and the Bears were afraid to go for great. 

I think this is right. Eberflus isnt the worst coach ever, but hes bottom 10. looking for someone else is taking a shot at something better.

I love Harbaugh, and I would have signed him if I was GM, but I understand he is a polarizing figure. But why not Kliff Kingsbury or some offensive mind to pair with Caleb for his career, like Brady and Mahomes have had.

I dont hate the guy, but Eberflus does consistently lose us games we should win right at the end with poor coaching. Hes certainly not giving us a positive edge in winning.

I dunno who is available now, and the bye is past and we are probably stuck with him and Waldron unless they are willing to promote from within. But maybe do something about the OL coach Morgan at least? Youve got a guy that went to Yale who cant figure out who he is supposed to block. Maybe he needs a better teacher, cuz he isnt dumb, and it isnt rocket science either.

I cant block anyone, but we could ALL learn the Bears' blocking assignments if we were properly taught. It's not that hard to know who to block. Actually blocking them is the hard part i think?

[BearFan PHX]

6 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

I expected some duds from rookie qb - this was one - I’m excited to see how he responds next week. Shoot the way he responded in 4th quarter was nice. 

hes a real competitor, and this loss is likely to help him find an even more competitive version of himself. And hes clearly got that 4th quarter will to win thing the champions all have.

I said earlier in the thread, and Ill repeat it here, our two goals for this year were for Caleb to learn to be an NFL QB, and for the team to face adversity and learn what it actually takes to win against the good teams. It's more than talent and execution, it's that other thing we see in winners. This hurt, but it's part of it this year.

[Stinger226]

6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

hes a real competitor, and this loss is likely to help him find an even more competitive version of himself. And hes clearly got that 4th quarter will to win thing the champions all have.

I said earlier in the thread, and Ill repeat it here, our two goals for this year were for Caleb to learn to be an NFL QB, and for the team to face adversity and learn what it actually takes to win against the good teams. It's more than talent and execution, it's that other thing we see in winners. This hurt, but it's part of it this year.

The best comment ever made on Flus was your (not giving us a positive edge on winning).

I like Flus but I think this is the first strike in him going away after this year. He is a great DC but leaves lots of questions on the HC job. I get he gives the OC a lot of leway on calling plays but the Kramer play should have never happened . You use that play in a blowout win, not a critical part of a must win game. 

CW played bad and redeemed himself at the end of the game and we couldnt  even celebrate that because of the Hail Mary play.We would have much better of a team if we never had a bye week to stay focused. Clearly we were out of sorts with a week off. 

So does this kind of loss propel us to playing angry the rest of the year or kick our ass? Time will tell. 

[Stinger226]

I just watched a video where the clock operator in the last 52 seconds of the game, allowed the clock to not run on four plays that it should have been running. Literally at least allowed 12 seconds to be given to Washington to have the last drive to happen. I will try to post it when i get back from the Chiro.

On one play they put 2 seconds back on the play instead of subtracting 3 to 4 seconds off of the clock. I get they some times adjust the clock in the final seconds but 4 times in 52 seconds?

[adam]

7 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I just watched a video where the clock operator in the last 52 seconds of the game, allowed the clock to not run on four plays that it should have been running. Literally at least allowed 12 seconds to be given to Washington to have the last drive to happen. I will try to post it when i get back from the Chiro.

On one play they put 2 seconds back on the play instead of subtracting 3 to 4 seconds off of the clock. I get they some times adjust the clock in the final seconds but 4 times in 52 seconds?

This does not get talked about enough. I was at the game. The Commanders were running plays that took 5-6 seconds minimum and only 1 second would be off the clock. If you weren't looking at the clock at every snap, you wouldn't notice it. The Hail Mary never should've happened, there was no time left.

The Commanders did nothing in the red zone, and they get away with a ton of holding, especially when Daniels was escaping the pocket, the Edge gets held every time, and they never call it. That is how he gets outside so easily. It was maddening. 

 

So this loss is going to do one of two things. They will all get their act together and turn this thing around, or this will be the defining moment for a disappointing 7-win season. 

[adam]

Cole Kmet had 1 target and 1 reception. Everett had 2 targets. Like what we doing here?

Allen had 7 targets and 2 receptions. Not very efficient.

It still boggles my mind that we have Moore, Allen, Odunze, Kmet, and Swift, and this is all we can muster on offense. The O-Line may be bad, but it's not like it is 32nd in the league. Also, if we know it's bad, where is the quick passing game?

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, adam said:

Cole Kmet had 1 target and 1 reception. Everett had 2 targets. Like what we doing here?

Allen had 7 targets and 2 receptions. Not very efficient.

It still boggles my mind that we have Moore, Allen, Odunze, Kmet, and Swift, and this is all we can muster on offense. The O-Line may be bad, but it's not like it is 32nd in the league. Also, if we know it's bad, where is the quick passing game?

exactly

[adam]

40 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

exactly

oh and crap, Swift had zero targets in the passing game? The best way to stop the rush are the little outlet passes and screens that slows down the pass rush. What the hell is going on?

[Mongo3451]

3 hours ago, adam said:

oh and crap, Swift had zero targets in the passing game? The best way to stop the rush are the little outlet passes and screens that slows down the pass rush. What the hell is going on?

None of the flat stuff was going to work.  Belichick broke down the Bears and how to stop Caleb and Quinn did exactly what Bill said.  His advice was to shorten the field and move guys around in the middle to create confusion.  He also suggested to dare Caleb to throw deep.  It all worked to a T.  Caleb's inconsistency with deep accuracy is going to really lower his ceiling.

[adam]

26 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

None of the flat stuff was going to work.  Belichick broke down the Bears and how to stop Caleb and Quinn did exactly what Bill said.  His advice was to shorten the field and move guys around in the middle to create confusion.  He also suggested to dare Caleb to throw deep.  It all worked to a T.  Caleb's inconsistency with deep accuracy is going to really lower his ceiling.

Edge players have to at least honor the screen. If you watch, those Edge guys were almost always going super wide and deep. There was a lot of space for screens.

[Stinger226]

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