Connorbear Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 In his Monday Morning QB article which he runs every week, he gives his votes for the AP All Pro. He picks Cribbs over Hester for KR/PR. How the hell can he justify that??? 2. I think, as a sort of Fairness in Voting deal, I am going to list my ballot for the annual All-Pro Team that the Associated Press has 50 members do each year. The AP recommends we vote for a left and right tackle, strong and free safety, et cetera. My team, with comments where appropriate: Offense WR: Randy Moss, New England. T: Joe Thomas, Cleveland. Not that hard a pick. Played every snap, was better than Walter Jones, and was the biggest reason why a D-minus line in 2006 played like a B-plus line in '07. G: Logan Mankins, New England. Toughest offensive position to pick because so many left guards (Steve Hutchinson, Eric Steinbach, Alan Faneca) played well. C: Kevin Mawae, Tennessee. Legit leader and great player this year. Edged very worthy Indy maestro Jeff Saturday. G: Chris Snee, New York Giants. T: Jeremy Trueblood, Tampa Bay. Weakest position on the offense, but Trueblood toughness and ethos won the spot. TE: Jason Witten, Dallas. WR: Terrell Owens, Dallas. I am sick about leaving Wes Welker and his 112 catches off this team, but I can't leave Owens off. QB: Tom Brady, New England. RB: Brian Westbrook, Philadelphia. Deservedly edged Fred Taylor. Set the all-time Eagle single-season record for receptions (90) and yards from scrimmage (2,104). RB: LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego. FB: Tony Richardson, Minnesota. Defense DE: Osi Umenyiora, New York Giants DT: Kelly Gregg, Baltimore. Toughest call of all, choosing Gregg over Albert Haynesworth. For the first half of the season, Haynesworth was probably the defensive player of the year, but he missed games 9, 10 and 11 with a hamstring strain, and wasn't the same in the five games after that, missing chunks of time because he still wasn't right. As a body of work, I thought Gregg's season was better. DT: Pat Williams, Minnesota. DE: Jared Allen, Kansas City. Reborn after giving up alcohol. OLB: Mike Vrabel, New England. One of the best, and cheapest, free-agent signings ever. ILB: E.J. Henderson, Minnesota. Flipped a coin between Barnett and Nick Barnett. Came up Henderson, one of the most instinctive players in football. ILB: Patrick Willis, San Francisco. Just because you're anonymous doesn't mean you're not a great player. OLB: DeMarcus Ware, Dallas. CB: Asante Samuel, New England. About to be a very rich man. CB: Ronde Barber, Tampa Bay. Edged Al Harris of Green Bay, the team that allowed the lowest completion percentage in the NFL this year. FS: Ed Reed, Baltimore. SS: Bob Sanders, Indianapolis. Specialists K: Phil Dawson, Cleveland. This year's Vinatieri. P: Andy Lee, San Francisco. Incredible 42 punts inside the 20. KR/PR: Josh Cribbs, Cleveland. Top five NFL punt- and kick-returner, and he was Steve Tasker all season as a pursuit man. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddy Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 He's just trying to get a column read that's all. He's a liar or just incredibly stupid if he says he'd rather have Cribbs over Hester. He just wants to spark some controversy. He isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 He's just trying to get a column read that's all. He's a liar or just incredibly stupid if he says he'd rather have Cribbs over Hester. He just wants to spark some controversy. He isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Just out of curiosity, but how could someone be a liar for making a personal choice between two people? Strange word choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixote Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Peter King obviously missed the boat on that selection (Cribbs over Hester). Have no idea where he is coming from there. I would love to hear his reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Peter King is a fat douchebag... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 gettin ready to be blasted here BUT Cribbs is as good at kicks as Hester(Hester has the edge on PR) & is also a gunner which Hester doesn't do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted January 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 gettin ready to be blasted here BUT Cribbs is as good at kicks as Hester(Hester has the edge on PR) & is also a gunner which Hester doesn't do Ok but the position is for KR/PR not KR/PR/Gunner. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixote Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Cribbs is good, Hester is better. How many teams game plan against Cribbs Like they do Hester? I doubt many if any. What would a high powered ofense like NEP or IND do with a "Hester" in their lineup? Could you imagine those 2 offenses with the field position a player like Hester would give them? OUCH!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Cribbs also benefits from having a good offense. Teams are less likely to kick away from him because the better field position would lead to a lot more points from the Browns offense. Teams knew that even if they gave us good field position that we still would have problems scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Ok but the position is for KR/PR not KR/PR/Gunner. Peace good point. Pix the Browns O is a lot better teams can't afford to kick away from Cribbs & give the O better field position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixote Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 good point. Pix the Browns O is a lot better teams can't afford to kick away from Cribbs & give the O better field position Agreed, that is why I said What would a high powered ofense like NEP or IND do with a "Hester" in their lineup? Could you imagine those 2 offenses with the field position a player like Hester would give them? OUCH!! Clevelands offense is definately prolific and if we had an O like theirs, what would teams do with Hester? My guess is they would have to gamble and kick to him because they could not allow us to start from our 40 every series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenom283 Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 i think Cribbs had 3 TD's this year where as Hester doubled that and broke his own record is third on the all time list in just two years. Sorry Peter King but there is none better than Hester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flea Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 I'm gonna be dreaming of an offense like that all off-season pix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddy Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Just out of curiosity, but how could someone be a liar for making a personal choice between two people? Strange word choice He's lying about his personal choice, that's how. Normally, I wouldn't use the word liar unless I was trying to discredit the individual. In this case, I am, so I called him a liar. Without debating you on the usage of the word, it's my opinion. Now, you can call me a liar and say that I'm lying about my opinion OR, you could just take the phuckin post in the spirit in which it was intended. It was intended to discredit Peter King, who I think, (and I'm not lying) is a prick. I hope that explains it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyyle23 Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Why would Peter King lie about his own opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddy Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Why would Peter King lie about his own opinion? Why would you waste your time responding to a post that is obviously a malicious attempt to discredit a fat prick? Spare me, I don't really care to elaborate or even revisit the post. LET IT GO!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyyle23 Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Why would you waste your time responding to a post that is obviously a malicious attempt to discredit a fat prick? Spare me, I don't really care to elaborate or even revisit the post. LET IT GO!!!!!! Spare you? Whats with all the drama? Why dont you answer the question? Why would a nicely paid columnist lie about his own opinion? There is no benefit from it, what purpose would it serve? There are different adjectives you can use to discredit him, this one just doesnt fit the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 He's lying about his personal choice, that's how. Normally, I wouldn't use the word liar unless I was trying to discredit the individual. In this case, I am, so I called him a liar. Without debating you on the usage of the word, it's my opinion. Now, you can call me a liar and say that I'm lying about my opinion OR, you could just take the phuckin post in the spirit in which it was intended. It was intended to discredit Peter King, who I think, (and I'm not lying) is a prick. I hope that explains it. I'm all for discrediting Peter King, but calling him a liar just doesn't make any sense in this situation. Whatever, it doesn't matter, I was merely curious as to why someone would call a journalist a liar for writing his own opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguana Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I think you're all liars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyyle23 Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I think you're all liars! I think that is a badly formed opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguana Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I think that is a badly formed opinion Well, you're a towel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyyle23 Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Well, you're a towel! And you, my friend, are an iguana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 This thread is hilarious. King always has questionable comments, and from his past comments, he doesn't like Chicago. On the Cribbs / Hester debate. Hester is the playmaker, but he is all or none. Even with 2 TD return for kickoffs, Hester was not in the Top 30 for Kickoff Return Average. Cribbs averages over 30 yards a return, Hester is under 22. Hester was much better at punts, but even then, he still did not lead the league in punt return average (Parrish). Now if you take into effect all the other things that Hester influences, he is clearly the better Return man, even if the stats don't always show that. The Bears also led the league in average starting position (34.43). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Looking beyond the stats. In FF this year, I had Edwards, Winslow and Cle's kicker, so I watched as many Cle games as I could. Cribbs is a damn good return man, but the reality is, he was given the opportunities. I do not simply mean number of returns, but how he got those returns. On kickoffs, I do not recall EVER watching an opponent squib kick to Cribbs. He fielded legit kickoffs, and was dangerous. But look at what Hester dealt w/. He had opponents kicking into Lake Michigan, kicking out of bounds, kicking to the 40. Often, kickoffs would simply be lauched high. Hester would get under it, but opponents would be on top of him due to giving up distance for hand time. Similar on punts. Punts were angled far more for Hester than any other. Cribbs had the benefit of a great offense, which is something I have talked about for some time now. As great as Hester has been, imagine what he would do if we had an offense. This year, teams could give us the ball at the 40 and still have little fear of our scoring. If you gave Cle the ball at the 40, you were in trouble. So while the numbers may make it appear there is an argument, I think the way teams approached the two makes it clear otherwise. More than at any time in history, teams did everything possible to avoid Hester. As good/great as Cribbs and other specialists have been this year, NONE were dealt w/ and feared the way Hester was. I do not recall head coaches being grilled prior to a Cle game how they would handle Cribbs. How coaches would deal w/ Hester was the top question posed to opponents every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 This thread is hilarious. King always has questionable comments, and from his past comments, he doesn't like Chicago. On the Cribbs / Hester debate. Hester is the playmaker, but he is all or none. Even with 2 TD return for kickoffs, Hester was not in the Top 30 for Kickoff Return Average. Cribbs averages over 30 yards a return, Hester is under 22. Hester was much better at punts, but even then, he still did not lead the league in punt return average (Parrish). Now if you take into effect all the other things that Hester influences, he is clearly the better Return man, even if the stats don't always show that. I don't know man...how can you even compare return average with the way teams kick to Hester. How could Hester lead in punt return average when he is rarely punted to. If Hester and Cribbs received the same type of kickoffs/punts, I think Hester would blow Cribbs out of the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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