Eberflus

[BearFan PHX]

I thought this probably deserved it's own thread.

I just wanted to note how much talk there is about replacing him from all the sportswriters and radio people. No one is holding back at all.

We really crossed a threshold fast this past week. I guess people are remembering the three games he blew at the end last year too.

I posted over the offseason that if the pattern repeated this year it would gain momentum fast. And conversely if we were winning, last year would be forgotten. Sure seems like that's how its working out. THe past two years forgiven until the pattern reestablishes and then there would be VERY little patience at that point.

[adam]

These next two games are HUGE. I honestly think they will decide the fate of Flus. He may not get fired in season, but lose either of the next two, and I think he is gone. 

[Stinger226]

Have what ever opinion you want but he aint going anywhere until after the season is over.

We just won 3 games  in a row and lost to a good team with a miractle play .

We now have the worst coach in the league, really?

IF we win the next 2 games it will  put us in a really good spot to possibly get a playoff spot.  If he wins 10-11 games, I doubt he's gets fired. He's not Harbaugh or Shanahan or Reid. If he loses more than he wins, he will be gone. I thought the most important mission this year was the developement of Caleb. Poles drafted him,  Flus gave him the job without a competition, and thrown the whole playbook at him right away. I think everyone would agrees he is getting better. 

I'm going to let this play out and let the season determine whether Flus stays, Waldron stays, or Caleb keeps developing . Poles aint getting rid of Flus. no matter how much fans complain.

Enjoy the ride.

We got better at the end of last year, and still have a winning record. The meteor isn't hitting the Earth this week. (According to Aaron Rodgers).

[BearFan PHX]

yeah Im not saying they will fire him now. Im talking about at the end of the season.

Im also not saying that because sportswriters are saying it that Im right or it will happen, Im just noticing how fast the tide turned, because of last year. Id said before that if he wins this year, everyone will forget about last year, but if he repeats last minute losses on bad defense likehappened 3 times last year that everyone would see the pattern fast.

Just talking about what people are thinking on this thread, thats all.

[Stinger226]

20 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

yeah Im not saying they will fire him now. Im talking about at the end of the season.

Im also not saying that because sportswriters are saying it that Im right or it will happen, Im just noticing how fast the tide turned, because of last year. Id said before that if he wins this year, everyone will forget about last year, but if he repeats last minute losses on bad defense likehappened 3 times last year that everyone would see the pattern fast.

Just talking about what people are thinking on this thread, thats all.

You have always been consistent with your opinion, I am mainly speaking to the people that flip every other week because we win or lose.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

You have always been consistent with your opinion, I am mainly speaking to the people that flip every other week because we win or lose.

ah cool.

I am against rash decisions, so I agree with you - no one game should decide anyone's fate.

[Mongo3451]

I don't think they'll fire him either.  I'm simply done with the dumb shit.  That's five games lost in two years directly attributed to him.  And yes, I never wanted to fire him until now...

[BearFan PHX]

Wow. So here is Shane Waldron on the handoff to Kramer:

“But I have all the confidence in the world in all our players. It’s something we’ve repped and worked on. It came up in the moment, as a third-and-one call. It didn’t work out.”

So you have confidence in Kramer to what? do everything? run a go route? kick a long field goal? all your players have your confidence in everything?

You cant freakin admit that you asked a guy to do something that wasnt in his core skill set and that made a miscue more likely, and that handing to it Roschon would have been better?

Why not put in Roschon at center then? If you have confidence in everyone to do everything? Maybe Billings can play slot receiver?

What a load of crap answer.

[Mongo3451]

2 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

What a load of crap answer.

It's word salad for when you are avoiding giving a real answer.  It's relevant in politics as well.  Talk long enough and it will go away...

[Bears4Ever_34]

Caleb's dad is taking passive aggressive shots at Eberflus and the Bears on X, in a tweet that he now deleted. Things are going great in Chicago. 

[BearFan PHX]

Yeah great culture Eberflus.

[BearFan PHX]

Ben Johnson's pretty cool. Notice the absolute trickery, but in no case, do you ask anyone to do anything they dont have a skill for as an athlete. No linemen.
 

 

[Stinger226]

In the Houston game last night DeMarco Ryan and Slovek ran a play at the goalline where Joe Mixon threw a failed pass to CJ Stroud. They lost the game.

Should they be fired?

This moring the media are talking about (the play) again saying the Bears wont let it die. The media keeps asking the questions that keep this goaline play alive instead of moving on to the very important game Sunday. After 5 days of beating everybody up, they just cant let it go. 

What am I missing here?

Everybody keeps it up making everybody feel bad over a loss. I felt bad for 2 days and decided to gain my positive attitude and remember we have a very good defense, A potential top 5 QB and have a WINNING record. 

Do I need to start looking for a rope ? Apparently the future is dead.

[Stinger226]

8 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Ben Johnson's pretty cool. Notice the absolute trickery, but in no case, do you ask anyone to do anything they dont have a skill for as an athlete. No linemen.
 

 

We have short memories. Last yeat in the NFC title game , the great Dan Campbell went several times on 4th downs and failed.  That lost them a chance to go to a SB. His defense was (that's how we got here)

Every HC and OC screw up.

[Mongo3451]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

What am I missing here?

The point, for starters.  Name one coach that single handedly lost five games in two years. (Through actions that defy logical explanations).  I'll wait.

I gave Flus a pass on the first two years because he was new to the HC job, with a terrible roster.  Blowing games this year is unacceptable.  And being unprepared after a bye is double.  We may win ten games this year despite him.  My belief is that he's not a promised land coach.

Do I think we win this Sunday?  Heck yes I do.  

[BearFan PHX]

one point - Eberflus' contract is up at the end of this year, so they don't need to fire him per se. EDIT - NO he is signed thru 2025

I suspect the McCaskey's cheapness is why they didnt fire him last year - didnt want to pay two head coaches at once. EDIT for two years

It's crazy. You throw a quarter of a billion dollars around on player salaries every year, and you cant find a few million to pay Flus while you get a new HC that aligns with Williams?

Hopefully they will eat one year of double paying.

I think we need the owners to sell this team.

[BearFan PHX]

8 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

The point, for starters.  Name one coach that single handedly lost five games in two years. (Through actions that defy logical explanations).  I'll wait.

I gave Flus a pass on the first two years because he was new to the HC job, with a terrible roster.  Blowing games this year is unacceptable.  And being unprepared after a bye is double.  We may win ten games this year despite him.  My belief is that he's not a promised land coach.

Do I think we win this Sunday?  Heck yes I do.  

this is where I'm at too.

Players make mistakes, but there is no reason for a coach to make those kind of errors. Going for it on 4th an 1 down 6 in the 2nd quarter from your own 40 is just WRONG, and that's the second time hes done it this year. Players have other players playing against them, and sometimes they lose a battle. But it is not hard to know that you need to punt. no defender is trying to force your lips to say go for it.

[Stinger226]

8 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

The point, for starters.  Name one coach that single handedly lost five games in two years. (Through actions that defy logical explanations).  I'll wait.

I gave Flus a pass on the first two years because he was new to the HC job, with a terrible roster.  Blowing games this year is unacceptable.  And being unprepared after a bye is double.  We may win ten games this year despite him.  My belief is that he's not a promised land coach.

Do I think we win this Sunday?  Heck yes I do.  

My point, I get it he's screwed up many times, every coach makes mistakes, I now have strike one . He is not trending well BUT we have 10 games left to play. Its early. He's not getting fired anytime soon. Enjoy your misery.

[BearFan PHX]

7 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

My point, I get it he's screwed up many times, every coach makes mistakes, I now have strick one . He is not trending well BUT we have 10 games left to play. Its early. He's not getting fired anytime soon. Enjoy your misery.

Good coaches, even on the pee wee level dont make those mistakes. It's not like he dropped a pass, he just chose something he should know better than to do? A coach should be 100% error free on that one. There is nothing forcing them to make that error?

I dont think anyone thinks hes going to be fired soon, I think he is just saying that he wants him gone when the time is right.

And I dont think he is miserable. I think he just wants a competent coach. We all do of course.

All (95%?) of the sports commentators seem to agree so its not like he is out on a ledge in some extreme way?

I get that youre an optimist for the team, and i respect that. But it isn't traitorous to want bad coached and players gone, its just another way to want the Bears to be great, which is what we all want.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

My point, I get it he's screwed up many times, every coach makes mistakes, I now have strike one . He is not trending well BUT we have 10 games left to play. Its early. He's not getting fired anytime soon. Enjoy your misery.

I have zero misery.  Clarity is amazing.  Trust me, I'm rooting for him and especially the team.

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

Good coaches, even on the pee wee level dont make those mistakes. It's not like he dropped a pass, he just chose something he should know better than to do? A coach should be 100% error free on that one. There is nothing forcing them to make that error?

I dont think anyone thinks hes going to be fired soon, I think he is just saying that he wants him gone when the time is right.

And I dont think he is miserable. I think he just wants a competent coach. We all do of course.

All (95%?) of the sports commentators seem to agree so its not like he is out on a ledge in some extreme way?

I get that youre an optimist for the team, and i respect that. But it isn't traitorous to want bad coached and players gone, its just another way to want the Bears to be great, which is what we all want.

I've been a Bear fan since Butkus was drafted, felt the pain for so many years, i should have just changed teams but I'm loyal to a fault. Im just trying to find positive out of the anguish of watching week to week. i see what you guys see but he is the coach so I will try to be loyal. i did the same with Fields last year, dwell on the good but seen the bad. Once Fields was traded I bought in on CW. When Flus is gone I'll do the same thing. He's not gone yet.

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I've been a Bear fan since Butkus was drafted, felt the pain for so many years, i should have just changed teams but I'm loyal to a fault. Im just trying to find positive out of the anguish of watching week to week. i see what you guys see but he is the coach so I will try to be loyal. i did the same with Fields last year, dwell on the good but seen the bad. Once Fields was traded I bought in on CW. When Flus is gone I'll do the same thing. He's not gone yet.

Yeah that makes sense.

For you, being loyal is supporting them no matter what as long as they are on the team. For me, being loyal means calling out the weaknesses and wanting them addressed. But we are both wanting whats best for the Bears of course.

And I'll say this too, to echo what Mongo just said. While I am certain the Eberflus will never be a top ten coach (even if he wins coach of the year due to team performance) I would like nothing more than to be proved wrong about that. If Eberflus looks good to me, i will happily say it. My views on Waldron have morphed somewhat over the past weeks. I see the positives he has in the architecture of the passing game. I can see why he is (or was) well thought of. I still see poor rhythm in play calling, and a real problem with ignoring personnel groupings, being too fixated on Xs and Os and not enough on who's gonna be the one doing it.

But still I have definitely seen growth from him over the past few weeks, and if I see more, i will definitely admit it. I dont need my current narrative to be right, I like to think my current narrative is really just where the player or coach is as far as what theyve already done and shown. Show me something new, and I have no problem seeing it and adjusting what i think.

But winning games alone wont change my mind on Eberflus. His situational choices have to be sound too.

So, like you, I am rooting for them to change for the better. I just see what I see, and when its a long time pattern, then I become more sure that it's real and isn't gonna change. but show me something new, and I'd be a fool not to see it. Then I'd probably say something like "OK that was one game, I liked what i saw, let's see if he can do it over a sustained period of time" and if they do that, then I'm on board.

But if I had to bet, I'd bet that Eberflus will never be the head coach on a team that wins a Superbowl. And I'd put the odds pretty heavy on it.

But yeah, I'd LOVE to be wrong about that.

[BearFan PHX]

Oh, and the one I am the MOST sure needs help is Morgan. i think he is a primary cause of the trouble. And then I blame Waldron and Flus for not doing something about it, but a lot of it starts with Morgan's responsibilities. He needs a partner at least. Call it OL quality control or something. But someone has to teach the scheme better to the players. They often look lost on who to block, and that's been true since at least when Morgan got here.

[BearFan PHX]

Oops - did some research, FLus is signed through 2025 - hopefully the Bears can fire him after this year if that's what Poles wants to do, and ownership isnt forbidding a year of paying two coaches.

[Stinger226]

12 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Oh, and the one I am the MOST sure needs help is Morgan. i think he is a primary cause of the trouble. And then I blame Waldron and Flus for not doing something about it, but a lot of it starts with Morgan's responsibilities. He needs a partner at least. Call it OL quality control or something. But someone has to teach the scheme better to the players. They often look lost on who to block, and that's been true since at least when Morgan got here.

Actually they hired the Tennessee OL coach as his assistant. Don't remember the name.

As far as putting Flus to bed, I'll use this example of a comparison. Let's say you and your wife went to a Halloween party and some drunk girl comes up puts her arms around you and gives you a kiss. Your wife sees it and the argument begins. You apologize and try to move on. The next week ( outside noise) friends keep bringing it up keeping the argument going all week. Does this help the relationship ( culture)? Does it divide you both ( team) or add to further turmoil?

I just don't see what value it does to keep trying to demoralize the team?