Eberflus

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

Actually they hired the Tennessee OL coach as his assistant. Don't remember the name.

As far as putting Flus to bed, I'll use this example of a comparison. Let's say you and your wife went to a Halloween party and some drunk girl comes up puts her arms around you and gives you a kiss. Your wife sees it and the argument begins. You apologize and try to move on. The next week ( outside noise) friends keep bringing it up keeping the argument going all week. Does this help the relationship ( culture)? Does it divide you both ( team) or add to further turmoil?

I just don't see what value it does to keep trying to demoralize the team?

its more like the husband keeps making the choice to hug other women over and over

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

its more like the husband keeps making the choice to hug other women over and over

If you're making the point he keeps making mistakes, yes, it comes down to winning. If we are winning, we over look mistakes, if we're losing every mistkae gets amplified. 

Time for a divorse, okay that probably wont happen until January. So lets be miserable for  2 months or try to fix it. 

If the team comes out flat, Flus will lose his job because clearly the players quit on him, no matter who you blame, that doesnt work. If we lose the next 2 games, I believe Poles may very well fire him, not sure who's next inline but it will be in house. 

I dont think he has lost the locker room, also that we  will win and will  can save this convesation for the next game. 

[BearFan PHX]

5 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

If you're making the point he keeps making mistakes, yes, it comes down to winning. If we are winning, we over look mistakes, if we're losing every mistkae gets amplified. 

Time for a divorse, okay that probably wont happen until January. So lets be miserable for  2 months or try to fix it. 

If the team comes out flat, Flus will lose his job because clearly the players quit on him, no matter who you blame, that doesnt work. If we lose the next 2 games, I believe Poles may very well fire him, not sure who's next inline but it will be in house. 

I dont think he has lost the locker room, also that we  will win and will  can save this convesation for the next game. 

Well one thing thats different from your analogy is my support or criticism of Eberflus doesnt affect his outcome, unlike the divorce or work on it scenario?

He keeps making poor choices, and his job is to make good ones. I dont hope he keeps making bad choices, but I notice that he does. Whether I hope he does or not has no effect.

I am also aware that unlike the divorce scenario, there is someone out there waiting to take over the job who will do a GREAT job, so while working with my alcoholic raging wife to fix the marriage might seem noble, if a perfect wonderful nurturing woman with whom I could have a deep and meaningful marriage is waiting in the wings, then working on it might not be the best course of action?

I believe teams require accountability to thrive and grow. I dont think Eberflus is any good at leading. I'm rooting for Poles to do his job right and make the right choice and move on from Eberflus. Just like I was rooting for Eberflus to do the right thing regarding Stevenson, but he obviously didnt. Wed seen Stevenson get more and more aggressive with his crowd taunting antics way before this happened. Where was Flus to instill discipline for it's own sake BEFORE we paid the price?

[Mongo3451]

For me it's, "when will he do it again"?  I don't want it happening ever, especially in a huge game.  It's a ticking time bomb...⏳

[BearFan PHX]

54 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

For me it's, "when will he do it again"?  I don't want it happening ever, especially in a huge game.  It's a ticking time bomb...⏳

exactly - once its a pattern, its already too late.

[adam]

This has been going on for 2.5 years now.  The defense got run over by Demercado. 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Dead man walking. He’s just not good enough. Never was. I just hope it doesn’t get real ugly next week…cause a loss to Patriots could really screw things up. 
 

Players got to step up here and fix this shit, we all know Flus is done. 

[BearFan PHX]

46 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

Dead man walking. He’s just not good enough. Never was. I just hope it doesn’t get real ugly next week…cause a loss to Patriots could really screw things up. 
 

Players got to step up here and fix this shit, we all know Flus is done. 

its seems glaringly obvious now. I really thought he needed to go before this season, but maybe the Bears just wont pay two coaches for 2 years. Hopefully theyll eat his deal next year to get someone else in here.

[Stinger226]

On 11/2/2024 at 3:10 PM, BearFan PHX said:

exactly - once its a pattern, its already too late.

What I wanted to see is with the ClusterF last week, did it bring us  closer  together or they would quit on him. 

He needs to go , stated what I wanted in the game thread.

Hoke/ HC

Williams/DC

Tom Brown/OC. 

Time to think about if we drafted the right QB, seems not to be the case to me. 2 bad games, missing WRs and holding the ball to long. 

Lets just have a fresh start next year, with new coaches and a new QB.






 

[BearFan PHX]

The roster is actually pretty good.

[ChileBear]

12 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

What I wanted to see is with the ClusterF last week, did it bring us  closer  together or they would quit on him. 

He needs to go , stated what I wanted in the game thread.

Hoke/ HC

Williams/DC

Tom Brown/OC. 

Time to think about if we drafted the right QB, seems not to be the case to me. 2 bad games, missing WRs and holding the ball to long. 

Lets just have a fresh start next year, with new coaches and a new QB.






 

Can't disagree more on QB. Caleb has the moxy and the skill we haven't seen here. The biggest problem I see is the Oline breaks down AND he does have the hero mentality. Coaching should be hitting him up on just hitting the check downs, but it seems they aren't. I think we have our franchise QB and that this staff is a danger to him and us as fans.

[Stinger226]

30 minutes ago, ChileBear said:

Can't disagree more on QB. Caleb has the moxy and the skill we haven't seen here. The biggest problem I see is the Oline breaks down AND he does have the hero mentality. Coaching should be hitting him up on just hitting the check downs, but it seems they aren't. I think we have our franchise QB and that this staff is a danger to him and us as fans.

I was mad yesterday and bad mouthed everyone but the truth is our phenom QB is missing WRs, not throwing to open WRs, and holding the ball to long. Giving CW the whole playbook and letting him change plays was a bad idea. They should have did what they did in Washington, keep it simple. Moved the pocket with a beatup OL but instead they are developing the QB instead of worrying about winning .

Watch replays of the game. Forcing development isnt working. That's what everyone wanted .

[ChileBear]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

I was mad yesterday and bad mouthed everyone but the truth is our phenom QB is missing WRs, not throwing to open WRs, and holding the ball to long. Giving CW the whole playbook and letting him change plays was a bad idea. They should have did what they did in Washington, keep it simple. Moved the pocket with a beatup OL but instead they are developing the QB instead of worrying about winning .

Watch replays of the game. Forcing development isnt working. That's what everyone wanted .

I agree with everything you say. And it gets us back to mediocre coaching. I just pray they don't screw up Caleb.

[BearFan PHX]

*IF* Poles' job is on the line, I think the Bears should consider promoting Ian Cunningham.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Half the season is left and we have a rookie QB who has gone through ups and downs, unsurprisingly. This feels like the time where you hit pause - really self scout and course correct and start dialing in and optimizing offense for what works.  Get more playmakers involved, dial in the plays that are working, shrink the playbook, find some more "easy" throws to get your QB in rhythm, make sure you have some scheme plays for Kmet and Moore early - quick slants, etc that get the team rolling.  

Also - the above is really interesting - it does feel like with Allen he is really slow - but has that old man game - so let him leverage his body and footwork in a more crisp role to get him those "easier" throws and completions as well.  Get Caleb to focus on that too - but you also have to have some targeted shots.  But this feels like a - we got to really tighten the playbook and work with players and offense to really dial this in. 

The issue is clearly their is a huge lack of trust on offensive side of the ball - I think defensive side of the house is in very good order, despite some down's the past 2 weeks (last week they were pretty beat up).  But things can go real bad if the offense doesn't start to take meaningful steps forward.  

If they lose, I think we see Waldron fired - not sure Thomas Brown can immediately change things - but I won't deny play calling matters as does details.  Too big of a playbook can drive you to be sloppier on the details.  Too much too soon can do the same.  Too simple has issues as well.  

But from comments and quotes - it is very clear that the offensive side of the lockeroom is NOT happy with their current coaching and we have to see changes made.  

[BearFan PHX]

25 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

Half the season is left and we have a rookie QB who has gone through ups and downs, unsurprisingly. This feels like the time where you hit pause - really self scout and course correct and start dialing in and optimizing offense for what works.  Get more playmakers involved, dial in the plays that are working, shrink the playbook, find some more "easy" throws to get your QB in rhythm, make sure you have some scheme plays for Kmet and Moore early - quick slants, etc that get the team rolling.  

Also - the above is really interesting - it does feel like with Allen he is really slow - but has that old man game - so let him leverage his body and footwork in a more crisp role to get him those "easier" throws and completions as well.  Get Caleb to focus on that too - but you also have to have some targeted shots.  But this feels like a - we got to really tighten the playbook and work with players and offense to really dial this in. 

The issue is clearly their is a huge lack of trust on offensive side of the ball - I think defensive side of the house is in very good order, despite some down's the past 2 weeks (last week they were pretty beat up).  But things can go real bad if the offense doesn't start to take meaningful steps forward.  

If they lose, I think we see Waldron fired - not sure Thomas Brown can immediately change things - but I won't deny play calling matters as does details.  Too big of a playbook can drive you to be sloppier on the details.  Too much too soon can do the same.  Too simple has issues as well.  

But from comments and quotes - it is very clear that the offensive side of the lockeroom is NOT happy with their current coaching and we have to see changes made.  

100% and giving Brown a chance right now is a great idea. This kind of contingency might even be what he was hired for. ANd also to be int he pipleine in case of Waldron success too of course - no real threat of that now.