How do we correct this? Can we?

[Stinger226]

Anyone can say what they want but realistically can we fix this? 

First a win this week could help a lot.

Second injured players coming back wouldnt hurt. ( no control over that)/ 

Thrid,  Flus aint leaving and I now think he should, how about Waldron? We have 2 options in the room Kerry Joseph and Tom Brown. Tom Brown has called plays in Carolina and was assitant HC with the Rams before that. I would say promote Tomas Brown to OC.

4th simplifly it for CW , he is talented but does he have too much on his plate for a rookie? According to his play, that would be a yes. 

5th Flus turn over DC play calling to Williams and concentrate on being a HC.

I think the biggest effect on this team would be to get injured players back.

What say you

[Bears4Ever_34]

Caleb has to go back to working his check downs. He's passing up too many open guys underneath in favor of hunting for a big play that never comes. For all the talk about him leaving the pocket too early coming in to the NFL, I actually think he's staying too long in the pocket now, and it's leading to too many negative plays. The fact that he's regressing in that area from the previous 3 weeks tells me it's a coaching issue. If Waldron can't get him to do it, you have to get somebody else that will drill that into his head, whether that's Brown or Joseph.

This team is going to need a massive overhaul on the OL in the offseason. I think they need 5 new guys—4, for sure. Wright looks like a bust at RT.  

[BearFan PHX]

8 minutes ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

Caleb has to go back to working his check downs. He's passing up too many open guys underneath in favor of hunting for a big play that never comes. For all the talk about him leaving the pocket too early coming in to the NFL, I actually think he's staying too long in the pocket now, and it's leading to too many negative plays. The fact that he's regressing in that area from the previous 3 weeks tells me it's a coaching issue. If Waldron can't get him to do it, you have to get somebody else that will drill that into his head, whether that's Brown or Joseph.

 

well said. and lack of discipline puts us behind the chains too often, and may contribute to Caleb's big play hunting too.

Even something as simple as staying with the running game would help too. 2nd and 7 is really different than 2nd and 12 and the habits that causes are a problem.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

I think they need to start simplifying things. Going way complex was fine but they keep pushing it further. It is okay to have some high percentage and simple plays that build confidence and momentum. 
 

All great teams with vet qbs do it and Bears need to get back to that. Staple plays that also get their playmakers engaged early. Stuff that gets your young QB in rhythm.
 

Right now Waldron needs someone managing him closer - it’s clear at this point Pete and McVay probably each were managing this part closely. 
 

Flus should entrust Washington to run his D and he should get far more engaged in offensive game plan. I don’t think you can go to Brown with Waldron there - if you do that just fire Waldron but that seems like too big of a panic move…which is why I think Flus becoming more of a HC and less DC is the card that should be played. 

[Mongo3451]

I'm for getting rid of DJ Moore and his petty attitude.

[BearFan PHX]

I generally like DJ Moore, but did you see him leave the field in the middle of the play while Caleb was still scrambling around??

go to 6:53
 

 

[BearFan PHX]

There is a lot of frustration on this team, but before we trade everyone away, lets see what a new coaching staff can do with them.

I also felt like DJ Moore was being kind of ignored during all the offseason love for Allen and Odunze. And this after we extended him for all those years. I doubt we can even afford to trade him right now with the cap hit.

I also think these guys would be OK if they werent so frustrated.

Also, if you watch the whole film i linked to above, you see Caleb was doing everything he could do. Not perfectly of course, but well.

 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

I think you trade Keenan. He is getting forced targets and reality is he isn’t around for long haul and hasn’t been as productive. He is still a good vet but this probably isn’t right place for him and Caleb feels like he has to force it. 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

15 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I generally like DJ Moore, but did you see him leave the field in the middle of the play while Caleb was still scrambling around??

go to 6:53
 

 

DJ stepped off the field because he became an ineligible receiver by stepping out of bounds. Did he step out on purpose?  Was he injured since he limped a little?  But since he was not forced out, he couldn't be a target. 

[ChileBear]

22 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

DJ stepped off the field because he became an ineligible receiver by stepping out of bounds. Did he step out on purpose?  Was he injured since he limped a little?  But since he was not forced out, he couldn't be a target. 

But he could still be a blocker. Unless he was injured, and he was limping, he just quit on the play and the team. Unacceptable.

[Bears4Ever_34]

17 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

I'm for getting rid of DJ Moore and his petty attitude.

DJ Moore's effort and body language has been a disgrace this season. If you watch JT Osullivan's videos, he's been on DJ's ass since pre-season half-assing his routes and not blocking downfield. At the very least, he should be suspended for a game and have his captain status revoked. That kind of behavior can never be tolerated and should be made an example of. 

Quite frankly, Rome is already better than him, and should be our #1. Keenan Allen is washed. If they could get a 2nd round pick for DJ, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it. 

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

DJ stepped off the field because he became an ineligible receiver by stepping out of bounds. Did he step out on purpose?  Was he injured since he limped a little?  But since he was not forced out, he couldn't be a target. 

From what I see, DJ came back to help and Caleb wasn't in position to pull the trigger.  DJ walked off like a petty bitch.  If he was remotely engaged in the play, he would have at least turned to watch.

[adam]

Has anyone really looked at WAS compared to CHI? Is Poles really doing a good job? I mean, he lucked into the #1 overall pick, yet WAS, who was actually the 2nd worst team in the league last year, traded away both of their Edge Rushers, and somehow leapfrogged the Bears in the development timeline. Now they trade for Lattimore to improve their secondary while the Bears are sellers at the deadline. 

Very frustrating to say the least. 

 

[Stinger226]

3 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

From what I see, DJ came back to help and Caleb wasn't in position to pull the trigger.  DJ walked off like a petty bitch.  If he was remotely engaged in the play, he would have at least turned to watch.

So do you want to cut him or trade him now? He is our best offensive player. 

[ChileBear]

19 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

So do you want to cut him or trade him now? He is our best offensive player. 

So he's untouchable? Above everyone else on the team? Can't be called to task for petty behavior? If he is, then Poles and Co have screwed the Bears. I see that he's a great WR, I was glad we signed him in the offseason. But he now needs to act like a professional that deserved that contract, and I'm not seeing it.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

So do you want to cut him or trade him now? He is our best offensive player. 

Trade or suspend

[adam]

Unfortunately Moore has been pouting all year. I honestly think he didn't like the Allen trade, though he will never say that. He came in as WR1, then they drafted Odunze and traded for Allen. Last year he was the top dog and only dog outside of Kmet. Now he has to split targets with 2 other WRs. So he doesn't like to run routes when he is not getting the ball. That has been clearly evident the last few games. 

[BearFan PHX]

5 minutes ago, adam said:

Unfortunately Moore has been pouting all year. I honestly think he didn't like the Allen trade, though he will never say that. He came in as WR1, then they drafted Odunze and traded for Allen. Last year he was the top dog and only dog outside of Kmet. Now he has to split targets with 2 other WRs. So he doesn't like to run routes when he is not getting the ball. That has been clearly evident the last few games. 

YES. I saw this back in training camp. I said that Allen and Odunze were being besties with Caleb and I was worried DJ was feeling left out.

DJ is always a "sit by yourself" kind of guy anyway. Hes been a talented receiver, and I have to assume that his emotions are an outward symptom of the failed culture in the lockerroom. You can suspend him or whatever, but at this point its not like you have this rock solid culture and this guy is off the reservation. I think at this point, you look at the coach, and the OC and you wonder what Moore will be like next year with a new situation.

So yeah, trade Moore. Trade him to the 2025 Bears who have a different coach for a new start for him.

[Stinger226]

Everyone can be traded,  but you dont get rid of your best Offensive player because of one play. He is frustraded like everyone else. CWs miss rate to him is 39.4%, worse in the league. He is one of the highest character players on the team.  We will never be a winning team if you keep getting rid of good players. He was great last yr and a history of above average stats with crappy QBs.  our biggest problem is a rookie QB playing bad. We looked good when we ran the ball well and CW played confortable. The OL has a big effect on everything right now with major injuries. Play calling comes into play but it will never look good if players dont exicute. 

On 11/5/2024 at 4:22 PM, adam said:

Unfortunately Moore has been pouting all year. I honestly think he didn't like the Allen trade, though he will never say that. He came in as WR1, then they drafted Odunze and traded for Allen. Last year he was the top dog and only dog outside of Kmet. Now he has to split targets with 2 other WRs. So he doesn't like to run routes when he is not getting the ball. That has been clearly evident the last few games. 

[adam]

Blow this whole thing up. It clearly is not working. Too bad they didn't sell at the deadline. Now we are stuck with this POS roster for multiple years.

Poles and the entire coaching staff will be gone in 3 years or less. I assume the coaching staff is going to go this offseason but I have zero faith in Poles to select the right coach. 

[Stinger226]

What is best for the developement of CW, the only thing that really matters ? Waldron gone for sure, firing Flus only pleases the fanbase, but does it help CW? If Flus is gone, who is next that helps CW?

[Mongo3451]

Flus needs fired today.  The team has stopped playing for him.  Firing a coordinator doesn't cure the sickness.  Flus is soft in weekly prep and an in-game detriment.  If it were just the offense that looked uninspired the last few weeks, I would be inclined to fire Waldron instead.  It's not the case.    

[Stinger226]

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Flus needs fired today.  The team has stopped playing for him.  Firing a coordinator doesn't cure the sickness.  Flus is soft in weekly prep and an in-game detriment.  If it were just the offense that looked uninspired the last few weeks, I would be inclined to fire Waldron instead.  It's not the case.    

I agree what needs to be done, but how do we fix everything at week 10. Tell me what to do that helps us win now? Fiire them and then when the new guys fail, fire them? We cant fix this until after the season but a disgruntled fanbase will be happy for one week.

[Mongo3451]

11 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

I agree what needs to be done, but how do we fix everything at week 10. Tell me what to do that helps us win now? Fiire them and then when the new guys fail, fire them? We cant fix this until after the season but a disgruntled fanbase will be happy for one week.

I don't think it can be completely fixed.  What I do believe is Flus has lost the team.  That being said, getting sometime else to call the shots could energize the team.  We don't have the OL to have a winning roster, so effort and execution must be maximized just to break even.  Booting him now should show the players that soft and incompetent will not be accepted.

[Lucky Luciano]

33 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

I don't think it can be completely fixed.  What I do believe is Flus has lost the team.  That being said, getting sometime else to call the shots could energize the team.  We don't have the OL to have a winning roster, so effort and execution must be maximized just to break even.  Booting him now should show the players that soft and incompetent will not be accepted.

agree. it won't happen but i agree. it's time that someone in this organization took accountability for their actions... poles. this losing wishy washy attitudes need a kick in the arse. dump flus, waldron and that waste of space davis. maybe some players will respond to accountability.