Week 11 Official Game Thread - Poverty Franchise vs GB - Sometime next weekend, who cares.

[adam]

F*%k this team. An absolute poverty franchise. We all could see this coming a mile away. They had to move on from Flus or they would be repeating the same thing they did for the last 2 1st round QBs, and they did it AGAIN. 

Now it is going to burn at least another year of Caleb's rookie deal in a partial rebuild year as this one is lost. 

GB 45 - Shitty Team 6

 

[Lucky Luciano]

6 hours ago, adam said:

F*%k this team. An absolute poverty franchise. We all could see this coming a mile away. They had to move on from Flus or they would be repeating the same thing they did for the last 2 1st round QBs, and they did it AGAIN. 

Now it is going to burn at least another year of Caleb's rookie deal in a partial rebuild year as this one is lost. 

GB 45 - Shitty Team 6

 

the only way GB scores only 45 is if they coast or put in their second stringers.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

3 weeks ago, I was pretty excited to be going to this game.  I am now only excited to tailgate and check out the scenery.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

NFL can be funny - I don't know why, but for some reason I have a slight feeling that we see a surprise against Packers following the oline getting healthier and some big changes.  I only have like 5% confidence in that - but it sure would be refreshing to see this thing come to life. Its a young unit so we absolutely can't just punt on the last half of the season with this offensive unit - we have to have a hard reset with new people leading it though - so that we can start to create real development and growth for whomever the next coaching staff is.  

[Stinger226]

If Sweat is fully healthy- dont think he was in last game

If Wright and Jones are back- maybe

If the players buy into whoever the coach is.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

NFL can be funny - I don't know why, but for some reason I have a slight feeling that we see a surprise against Packers following the oline getting healthier and some big changes.  I only have like 5% confidence in that - but it sure would be refreshing to see this thing come to life. Its a young unit so we absolutely can't just punt on the last half of the season with this offensive unit - we have to have a hard reset with new people leading it though - so that we can start to create real development and growth for whomever the next coaching staff is.  

Me too. I think we will see some decent games yet this year, and I hope our decision makers are not dumb enough to see it as a reason to keep the coaches. That has to already be clear in their minds no matter what happens next.

I seriously dont care if they go on an improbable winning streak and get back into the divisional race. If Flus proves that he is not a 2 and is instead a 6 i dont care! I want a 9 or a 10. I want to try to find a 9 or a 10, and Ill consider keeping that guy if he turns out to be an 8. better than before is not the measure. Greatness is - giving your team an ongoing active edge in winning - not just managing not to step on your own dick 2 weeks in a row.

[Daventry]

15 hours ago, adam said:

F*%k this team. An absolute poverty franchise. We all could see this coming a mile away. They had to move on from Flus or they would be repeating the same thing they did for the last 2 1st round QBs, and they did it AGAIN. 

Now it is going to burn at least another year of Caleb's rookie deal in a partial rebuild year as this one is lost. 

GB 45 - Shitty Team 6

 

What a shame but you are right.  Complete sh?t show again, with different players except for the owners.  We will be embarrassed by our biggest rival again.  Stop supporting the team people.  

[Bears4Ever_34]

With Billings out, this feels like a game Lafleur will try to run it down our throats with Jacobs. Wouldn't be surprised if they gained over 200 yards on the ground.

All I care about the rest of this season is mitigating as much damage as possible on Caleb. That means limiting his pass attempts to keep him from getting killed and running the ball more than 50% of the time. Just get him into next season healthy so Ben Johnson or Kingsbury have something to work with after the inevitable coaching reset in January.

[Stinger226]

Of course they will, even thou teams are running on us, other than AZ, the defense isnt giving up a lot of points. I kinda like the track record of Brown , he was in LA and McVay thought enough about him to make him AS HC to not lose him. I think he was there 4 yrs. In Carolina, he became the Panthers play callers the last 6 games. He interviewed for the HC job in Tenn. 

We may have a diamond in the rough and he might be good at it, future HC?

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

Of course they will, even thou teams are running on us, other than AZ, the defense isnt giving up a lot of points. I kinda like the track record of Brown , he was in LA and McVay thought enough about him to make him AS HC to not lose him. I think he was there 4 yrs. In Carolina, he became the Panthers play callers the last 6 games. He interviewed for the HC job in Tenn. 

We may have a diamond in the rough and he might be good at it, future HC?

This is my fear. he couldnt be worse than Waldron. So he will be better. And everyone will think "oh good we can build on this" and we will miss out on a stellar candidate who isnt available until in the offseason because he is actually doing GOOD things on an NFL team right now.

When I was 5, I was a very poor basketball player. By 13, I was mediocre compared to the kids on my block. That trend line, if followed would have made me Michael Jordan by senior year of college. My 13 year old self was SO much better than my 5 year old self. I mean like a LOT better, especially by percentage.

That does not mean that any NBA team would even briefly consider me as a player no less a championship winning player. Literally anyone who played high school basketball would be better. ANYONE.

Saving the little pieces that aren't that bad from the last iteration is the disease that's brought us here. The arranged marriages. Oh we ran OK last year, so lets force Waldron to keep Morgan. Etc. Or why did we even choose Waldron?!

We need to find a real leader. A Ben Johnson or a Kliff Kingsbury or someone of that stature. And we need to let them pick ALL their underlings. They need to bring in their vision, not have to massage the McCaskeys pocketbook and ego along the way.

My fear is we beat GB and the Vikings once each, and keep Flus, because Thomas Brown in the new savior.

Please no. No no no. Go get a real high value prospect, and then left him do his freakin job.

[BearFan PHX]

You can interview Thomas Brown for the job in the offseason if you want, but they cannot give him ANY extra credit points for being friends, or already familiar with Caleb or ANYTHING. You ask yourself, right now, who is better.

And when you bring in a new Head Coach you absolutely do NOT push Brown on them. You let them decide who they want. Or else the whole thing is a joke doomed to fail. If Kliff Kingsbury wants to be the HC and offensive playcaller, and WANTS Brown to be his Nagy, then fine. But not as a favor to Poles. Not because the Bears want it. ONLY because Kingsbury thinks hes the best option out there.

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

You can interview Thomas Brown for the job in the offseason if you want, but they cannot give him ANY extra credit points for being friends, or already familiar with Caleb or ANYTHING. You ask yourself, right now, who is better.

And when you bring in a new Head Coach you absolutely do NOT push Brown on them. You let them decide who they want. Or else the whole thing is a joke doomed to fail. If Kliff Kingsbury wants to be the HC and offensive playcaller, and WANTS Brown to be his Nagy, then fine. But not as a favor to Poles. Not because the Bears want it. ONLY because Kingsbury thinks hes the best option out there.

Poles is only going to get one more hire for HC. He has to win now or his job is on the line, he's not going to make a mediorce choice. That was his first hire and he flunked, he's going to scale up. 

Poles was new at his job, now he has  more insight into what we need.

[BearFan PHX]

Everyone doesnt keep getting better.

Poles is not now some sort of coach hiring genius just because he was terrible at it last time.

Hopefully it doesnt take a genius to just pick Johnson, Kingsbury or Kubiak etc.

Im not saying I predict that Poles will blow the pick, just that we have to get it right, and keeping Eberflus because Thomas has shown promise as OC is not the way to go.

[Stinger226]

28 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Everyone doesnt keep getting better.

Poles is not now some sort of coach hiring genius just because he was terrible at it last time.

Hopefully it doesnt take a genius to just pick Johnson, Kingsbury or Kubiak etc.

Im not saying I predict that Poles will blow the pick, just that we have to get it right, and keeping Eberflus because Thomas has shown promise as OC is not the way to go.

The only way Flus survives is if he's 6-2, odds of that  are near impossible. You have to hope Poles makes the right choice because he's not leaving no matter what the team does this year. If you're your thinking of a Harbaugh type hire, that wont happen but maybe a Gruden, someone that got kicked out of the winners circle for an email.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

32 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Everyone doesnt keep getting better.

Poles is not now some sort of coach hiring genius just because he was terrible at it last time.

Hopefully it doesnt take a genius to just pick Johnson, Kingsbury or Kubiak etc.

Im not saying I predict that Poles will blow the pick, just that we have to get it right, and keeping Eberflus because Thomas has shown promise as OC is not the way to go.

Whoever they hire will probably have Trace Armstrong as their agent.  Poles, Eberflus, amd Waldron all have Armstrong. 

Poles is also responsible for allowing Fields and Williams to operate complex offenses and not  dumbed down.  Instead of breaking the young QBs in with a one read split field, they are asked to drop back and read the defense.  There is a reason these QBs both led the NFL in being sacked. 

 

[Mongo3451]

Until the McCaskey's show that they are willing to hire a known bastard as a head coach this franchise is doomed...

[BearFan PHX]

41 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Whoever they hire will probably have Trace Armstrong as their agent.  Poles, Eberflus, amd Waldron all have Armstrong.

Armstrong is a big part of this mess for sure. But Poles' butt is on the line so hopefully he goes beyond that kind of insider loyalty and makes the best possible choice.

And that assumes Poles isnt getting fired. I wouldnt necessarily mind replacing him with ian Cunningham based on the little bit of draft room footage I saw. Its too little to be sure, but it looked like Cunningham might be Poles' handler in a way.

But yeah, we need a real coach.
 

49 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

If you're your thinking of a Harbaugh type hire, that wont happen but maybe a Gruden, someone that got kicked out of the winners circle for an email.

I dont think Gruden would be OK for this team. I recall the email was something kinda racist. Thats a good way to lose the locker room right away. But I do like Gruden's intensity, so we are on the same page.

I like strong coaches, and yellers are ok with me, but Bill Belichick was able to instill fear with a whisper too. So he didnt yell, but he was definitely intense and intimidating. Matt Eberflus is not intimidating at all.

And that leads me to...
 

18 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Until the McCaskey's show that they are willing to hire a known bastard as a head coach this franchise is doomed...

YES. It's freakin' football, not a knitting circle. These modern, corporate, HR approved coaches may be really great neighbors, but it's not what makes a football team win.

I can only hope that Kevin Warren is a buffer to the McCaskeys and that he sees this the same way. That we need a tough coach. I also wonder if an intense black coach might be more palatable to the McCaskeys - or harder to reject to Warren. Like you can say "Harbaugh is too much of a personality" but that might be harder for the MCaskeys to say or think, given that they seem interested in DEI and stuff like that. Maybe we can get a Herm Edwards type in here. I'd be all for it. I don't care what color someone is or how it's done but if we can get a disciplinarian in here and the team buys in, I'm for it.

On that note, there is a lot of talk that Thomas Brown was being groomed through the ranks as a someday head coach. I remember when we added him in his smaller role that the talk about him was that he would be an excellent head coach some day, but that he was being groomed and learning. Anyway, I heard him speaking on some clip and i gotta say his energy is awesome. I am not saying hes ready to be a head coach or will even be a good OC. I want us to find the best one, and I know next to nothing about him. But I can say that I like his alpha-ness a lot. Maybe that will help some this year.

But yeah, let's get an old time football coach in here, and bring back that edge. I want our team to be bullies. Between the whistles of course.

[adam]

I don't know if Brown calling the offense is going to make a big difference. This still looks like an ugly matchup at the worst possible time. The Bears will probably lose by 20 and nothing will change. 

[Mongo3451]

4 minutes ago, adam said:

I don't know if Brown calling the offense is going to make a big difference. This still looks like an ugly matchup at the worst possible time. The Bears will probably lose by 20 and nothing will change. 

I think the team will respond.  Davis' tone is very different from Waldron.  It's actually disturbing to hear a coach described as too nice.  Even worse, Flus is that nice guy too.  Every team needs a couple ramrod coaches and players.  Who are ours?

[BearFan PHX]

19 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

I think the team will respond.  Davis' tone is very different from Waldron.  It's actually disturbing to hear a coach described as too nice.  Even worse, Flus is that nice guy too.  Every team needs a couple ramrod coaches and players.  Who are ours?

Flus is an HR muppet.

[Stinger226]

5 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Flus is an HR muppet.

They never did say what got him fired but the specualtion was words in an email. I hate judging people without  knowing all the facts. I have watched his podcast several times and he's a smart football mind. The best we could hope for is a Johnson or Kingsbury.

[BearFan PHX]

If Flus was a smart football mind he'd know to defend the boundary on the second to last play in Washington. He wouldnt have gone into super prevent too early and lost 5 games that we had won over 95%. He wouldn't go for it on 4th down from your own side of the 50 in the 2nd qtr down one score.

He's made a LOT of straight up errors. Im not talking about being beaten by a better coach (although theres plenty of that) but straight up just losing games based on bad calls that no one was forcing him to make.

Firing Flus after this year is a no brainer.

[Stinger226]

9 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

If Flus was a smart football mind he'd know to defend the boundary on the second to last play in Washington. He wouldnt have gone into super prevent too early and lost 5 games that we had won over 95%. He wouldn't go for it on 4th down from your own side of the 50 in the 2nd qtr down one score.

He's made a LOT of straight up errors. Im not talking about being beaten by a better coach (although theres plenty of that) but straight up just losing games based on bad calls that no one was forcing him to make.

Firing Flus after this year is a no brainer.

We will see what Poles has for football IQ. You would have to fire him for his judgement of hiring coaches more than on the field stuff.  Poles doubled down on it, so the finger gets pointed at him also, but he's not firing himself. Yes, a lot of bad choices but any coach (good ones also)  make bad calls every game. The good ones make fewer. 

We have the advantage of hindsight. I have seen some podsters say had we keep Fields and the traded the first pick for a haul we could have loaded up on OL and DL and won more games. I dont disagree with that. I think CW was the right choice for the future but Poles is getting heat because we are 4-5.

 

[Mongo3451]

10 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

If Flus was a smart football mind he'd know to defend the boundary on the second to last play in Washington. He wouldnt have gone into super prevent too early and lost 5 games that we had won over 95%. He wouldn't go for it on 4th down from your own side of the 50 in the 2nd qtr down one score.

The crazy part about that play was that defensive coaches were yelling at the players to get up and cover.  Flus got lost in the moment and went home with three timeouts in his pocket.  That's why he's incompetent.

[BearFan PHX]

54 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

The crazy part about that play was that defensive coaches were yelling at the players to get up and cover.  Flus got lost in the moment and went home with three timeouts in his pocket.  That's why he's incompetent.

yup - way too many unforced errors