The end of the world timeline.

[Stinger226]

Year 3 of 5 year rebuild:

Poles retains Flus ( who was still under contract) because he went 5-3 at the end of the season. He had the defense humming and the lousy offense got blamed on Getsy.

Poles drafts Caleb-Odunze-(TRADED 2ND ROUND FOR SWEAT)- 3rd round T( coimg off an injury that would have went in 2)-Blue chip punter-future edge.

Brings in Shelton-Bates-Allen-Everret-Swift- Pryor. Davis blows up, Borom-Bates-Kiran all not able to start the season. Jenkins proves he cant stay healthy and Wright and Jones get hurt. Bad spot for any team let alone the Bears. 

Waldron proves he isnt a good coach, reflects back on Flus for Judgement. Caleb struggles add in the OL chaos and bad coaching, we are 4-5. 

Now we have questions about Poles over allowing this coaching chaos to happen and mistakes on the OL/ Poles will not lose his job, he will get a 4th yr to correct the course. Need a new coach, and assets on the OL and DL. He has money and picks to make that happen.

 

[adam]

3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Year 3 of 5 year rebuild:

Poles retains Flus ( who was still under contract) because he went 5-3 at the end of the season. He had the defense humming and the lousy offense got blamed on Getsy.

Poles drafts Caleb-Odunze-(TRADED 2ND ROUND FOR SWEAT)- 3rd round T( coimg off an injury that would have went in 2)-Blue chip punter-future edge.

Brings in Shelton-Bates-Allen-Everret-Swift- Pryor. Davis blows up, Borom-Bates-Kiran all not able to start the season. Jenkins proves he cant stay healthy and Wright and Jones get hurt. Bad spot for any team let alone the Bears. 

Waldron proves he isnt a good coach, reflects back on Flus for Judgement. Caleb struggles add in the OL chaos and bad coaching, we are 4-5. 

Now we have questions about Poles over allowing this coaching chaos to happen and mistakes on the OL/ Poles will not lose his job, he will get a 4th yr to correct the course. Need a new coach, and assets on the OL and DL. He has money and picks to make that happen.

 

You can look back at old posts, Poles has not been as good as it seemed. He got a haul for the #1 pick, which most GMs would get in that situation. The only reason it worked out was because CAR took Young over Stroud. He is an ex-OL who doesn't address the OLine. It is baffling. He let Daniels walk to sign Davis to more money and play worse. 

If the Bears win 7 or less, you have to consider replacing everyone, including Poles. I am just wondering how many losses in a row will it take to fire Flus. 

[Mongo3451]

4 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Now we have questions about Poles over allowing this coaching chaos to happen and mistakes on the OL/ Poles will not lose his job, he will get a 4th yr to correct the course. Need a new coach, and assets on the OL and DL. He has money and picks to make that happen.

Under normal circumstances, if Flus goes, Poles must go too.  We've already created a situation where Caleb is working with his second coordinator.  Do we want a new coach and OC next year, with a lame duck GM?  To pull off hiring a new HC and OC, they either fire or extend Poles.  Otherwise, the ship is rudderless.

[BearFan PHX]

The thing is, they kind of thrust Eberflus on Poles. He didnt really choose him. And now Eberflus is imploding.

This past offseason Poles could have gotten a new coach and bought himself several more years. Hell he could have gotten Harbaugh, but I understand that has some complications. But he CHOSE to keep Eberflus, and now the idea that Flus was pushed on him losing weight.

This year Mike Vrabel will be available. An older Bill Belichick too. Deion Sanders, and a bunch of up and coming offensive coordinators (who were available last year for HC too) are also in the market. I'm not saying all these names are good ideas. But there are options to pick from.

Choosing to move on from Eberflus now is easy. Any GM would do it. If Poles doesn't they should not only fire him, but he should be prohibited from ever using anything more complicated than a spoon ever again. So I'm not thinking about the Flus decision being the question for Poles. It's the next decision. Who to hire next. And it is critically important to get that right.

Everything is on the line with that decision. Caleb's entire NFL career, the defense we've built, the next five or more years all sit on that decision.

Is Poles the guy to make it?

If we hire a new GM, will they be pushed to make their coaching choice in a week from candidates the McCaskeys have pre-picked?

Ian Cunningham is already in the building. *IF* he is who I suspect he is, he's the best GM candidate out there for replacing Poles. And it wouldnt be his first week.

If Kevin Warren has a single brain cell, he's already asked Poles to start researching head coaching options for next year. If Poles has one, he's already doing it. And that means Cunningham is doing it too.
 

37 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Under normal circumstances, if Flus goes, Poles must go too.  We've already created a situation where Caleb is working with his second coordinator.  Do we want a new coach and OC next year, with a lame duck GM?  To pull off hiring a new HC and OC, they either fire or extend Poles.  Otherwise, the ship is rudderless.

And there it is. Great point Mongo. If some of us are not sure Poles has been quite bad enough to fire, are you sure he has done enough to get EXTENDED? No way.

Fire Flus, promote Cunningham. Get an alpha leader Head Coach in here, and let him make his own staff. Do not try to make an arranged marriage with the current defensive staff. Do not twist this team into pretzels to keep Thomas Brown in some capacity just because he has a bright future and you promised to mentor him. You made that promise to Caleb Williams too, and you have to get this ALL right for him.

If the new coach wants to interview current coaches on our staff, great. But it should not be expected or implied that he should choose them for any reason other than he thinks they are the best choice.

We have the opportunity right now to get the GM, head coach, and Caleb (albeit a year late) unified into a window.

I don't trust Poles making the next coach decision. He does not deserve to be extended at this point.

The more I pull it apart, the more certain I am. Fair or not, Poles has to go.
 

[Stinger226]

5 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Under normal circumstances, if Flus goes, Poles must go too.  We've already created a situation where Caleb is working with his second coordinator.  Do we want a new coach and OC next year, with a lame duck GM?  To pull off hiring a new HC and OC, they either fire or extend Poles.  Otherwise, the ship is rudderless.

That is the way it should be, Im saying the Bears arent going to do that. Poles will be remembered for the great trade and drafting Caleb Williams, not because he screwed up sighing Davis. Talking about all of the regime being fired together, do you think that makes the case for Poles to keep him and ride it out instead of firing him? I would rather have a lameduck GM than keeping Flus.

[BearFan PHX]

here's one:

With Matt Waldron's firing, and Luke Getsy's firing in Los Vegas, that makes 3 coordinators Flus hired in his short time with a total of 4 firings between them.

It doesnt take a genius to see.

[adam]

On 11/14/2024 at 10:20 PM, BearFan PHX said:

here's one:

With Matt Waldron's firing, and Luke Getsy's firing in Los Vegas, that makes 3 coordinators Flus hired in his short time with a total of 4 firings between them.

It doesnt take a genius to see.

Flus may be good at coaching/scheming a defense, but that seems where his skill tails off. Personnel and talent management? Not so much. Leadership? Seems very meh. 

His post game rah rah speeches should just be "words fellas, lots of words"

[BearFan PHX]

5 minutes ago, adam said:

Flus may be good at coaching/scheming a defense, but that seems where his skill tails off. Personnel and talent management? Not so much. Leadership? Seems very meh. 

His post game rah rah speeches should just be "words fellas, lots of words"

but is he even good at scheming a defense when we see so many last minute losses because of defensive playcalling?

I mean, the defense looks good, but we arent leading the league or anything. Even at his core strength hes not better than ok, and as you say everything else is a disaster