It is time to fire Flus

[adam]

31 minutes ago, Daventry said:

Amen.  And I really believe the McCaskeys are making it much more difficult for us to win.  I imagine they have more influence than we know.  The level of failure noted above is staggering.

Absolutely. Remember it was Polian helping with hires and or always hiring from within. Guys like Trace Armstrong have way too much pull in the organization for not being part of it. Armstrong was Nagy's agent, Flus' agent, Poles' agent, and Waldron's agent, maybe more.

That is a huge problem if you ask me. 

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Rooting for my team to lose and everyone look bad is shortsighted as a fan. You wanted Flus gone last year, you were right on him being bad but he wasnt. If you find joy in us losing and every everyone looking bad is your thing, good luck with that. I dont live my life that way. I supported Fields last yr, even thou I noticed his flawes, because he was our QB. I am very happy now we have Caleb and hope of a top 5 QB but I like when we win. i was at a B-GB party with 12 people/half and half fandom. As we we went up in the game, I have been programmed to think something might happen at the end of the game. I dont look it as  a reward because I was right.

Im not rooting for the Bears to lose. Now that we have Caleb, Im not in tankathon mode.

What Im rooting for is for Caleb to develop, and to win as many games as possible this year.

All Im saying is even if we win more games I want the coaching staff gone in the offseason, and probably Poles too. ANd that is because I am rooting for us to win as many games as possible in the future.

This isnt about me being right, its about Eberflus being terrible.

[Daventry]

6 hours ago, adam said:

Absolutely. Remember it was Polian helping with hires and or always hiring from within. Guys like Trace Armstrong have way too much pull in the organization for not being part of it. Armstrong was Nagy's agent, Flus' agent, Poles' agent, and Waldron's agent, maybe more.

That is a huge problem if you ask me. 

It is a sad situation to be in.  I love the Bears but they have been terrible for too long to tolerate.  Plus they seem to be one of the more woke team in a woke league, which doesn’t thrill me either.  Maybe if people stopped watching something would change?  

[Mongo3451]

[adam]

17 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Honestly, he is one of the worst HCs in the entire NFL over the last decade. At first they blamed the rebuild, then it was Fields, now what is the excuse?

[ASHKUM BEAR]

2 hours ago, adam said:

Honestly, he is one of the worst HCs in the entire NFL over the last decade. At first they blamed the rebuild, then it was Fields, now what is the excuse?

He may be able to construct and DC a top 10 Defense, I'll give him that.  He cannot call a superbowl winning D though.  

He is a bottom 10 HC that will never get this team into the playoffs. 

[Stinger226]

On 11/19/2024 at 10:32 PM, ASHKUM BEAR said:

He may be able to construct and DC a top 10 Defense, I'll give him that.  He cannot call a superbowl winning D though.  

He is a bottom 10 HC that will never get this team into the playoffs. 

He has in many cases shown his inability to make the right decisions. What bothers me more than in game stuff has been his choices of coaches he is responable of bringing in. Poles has shown a lot of trust in him to sign off on these picks but Poles is a smart man and has to see his flaes. Loyalty is a good trait but we are ready to take the next step that will leave Flus behind.

[adam]

7 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

He has in many cases shown his inability to make the right decisions. What bothers me more than in game stuff has been his choices of coaches he is responable of bringing in. Poles has shown a lot of trust in him to sign off on these picks but Poles is a smart man and has to see his flaes. Loyalty is a good trait but we are ready to take the next step that will leave Flus behind.

So now we have to sift thru the noise and figure out if Poles is actually good or not because we know the answer on Flus, it has never been more obvious that he is just a boob.

For Poles, here are his 1-4th round draft picks, you have to hit on most of these and the 1st rounders have to become close to Pro Bowl level players:

2022 -
Gordon - should've been OL
Brisker - On IR
Jones Jr - released

2023 - 
Wright - when not hurt, he is not playing like a top 10 pick, could've had Jalen Carter here
Dexter - has improved from his rookie year, but still just a rotational guy
Stevenson - showed some flashes in his rookie year, but now is the worst CB in the NFL
Pickens - waste of a pick, should've been OL
Johnson - decent backup RB
Scott - healthy scratch all season in year 2

2024 -
Williams - no-brainer pick, but Daniels and Nix have outperformed him so far, something to watch
Odunze - I love Odunze, but Poles could've traded down and gotten Thomas Jr AND another pick that could've been used on an Edge, DT, or OL
Amegadjie - Head scratcher with his known injury while other OL went after him are playing at elite levels. Could've had Goncalves, Zinter, Puni, Bortolini, or Limmer (6th round).

If you take a step back, that is terrible roster construction, especially when the big money when to your MLB in FA. Edmunds and Allen take up $45M in cap space. Walker makes close to $9M. None of those guys are playing up to their contracts. 

[Bears4Ever_34]

On 11/19/2024 at 8:15 PM, adam said:

Honestly, he is one of the worst HCs in the entire NFL over the last decade. At first they blamed the rebuild, then it was Fields, now what is the excuse?

Suffering through the Eberflus era is like if Denver held on to Hackett for 3 years and missed out on Sean Payton. Worst coach in the history of the franchise. Worse than Fox or Trestman.

[ChileBear]

16 hours ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

Suffering through the Eberflus era is like if Denver held on to Hackett for 3 years and missed out on Sean Payton. Worst coach in the history of the franchise. Worse than Fox or Trestman.

Yes he's at or near the top of the list, see Vince Dooley and Abe Gibron.

[adam]

How many straight losses will it take? We are at 5, will be 6 in 4 days. The last 3 will be in the Division. 

One of the most damning things I have seen outside of the normal stuff was the words of encouragement that KOC gave to Caleb after the game. That was better feedback than anything Flus has done for Caleb to date. 

[Lucky Luciano]

can't we just play a defense that doesn't give 10+ yards cushion on every play? we are game planning the same OBSOLETE zone crap that got lovie fired. i am so sick of seeing receivers wide open in the gaps and our db's 5-10 yrds off the reception/tackle. every single team we play knows this is how you move the sticks on us. the packers have done this to us for 20 years. also giving a qb all the time in the world to throw hail mary's just does not work. rush him for keerist's sake if he has to make a 50 yd throw. make him hurry it instead of sitting there waiting for his receivers to run all the way to the goal line and get set. mindboggling.

[ChileBear]

2 hours ago, Lucky Luciano said:

can't we just play a defense that doesn't give 10+ yards cushion on every play? we are game planning the same OBSOLETE zone crap that got lovie fired. i am so sick of seeing receivers wide open in the gaps and our db's 5-10 yrds off the reception/tackle. every single team we play knows this is how you move the sticks on us. the packers have done this to us for 20 years. also giving a qb all the time in the world to throw hail mary's just does not work. rush him for keerist's sake if he has to make a 50 yd throw. make him hurry it instead of sitting there waiting for his receivers to run all the way to the goal line and get set. mindboggling.

Agree completely. D is supposed to be Flus' strong point, yet, when it's 4th quarter and the game's on the line his D craps down their pants. There are no more excuses for keeping Flus.

[BearFan PHX]

4 hours ago, Lucky Luciano said:

can't we just play a defense that doesn't give 10+ yards cushion on every play? we are game planning the same OBSOLETE zone crap that got lovie fired. i am so sick of seeing receivers wide open in the gaps and our db's 5-10 yrds off the reception/tackle. every single team we play knows this is how you move the sticks on us. the packers have done this to us for 20 years. also giving a qb all the time in the world to throw hail mary's just does not work. rush him for keerist's sake if he has to make a 50 yd throw. make him hurry it instead of sitting there waiting for his receivers to run all the way to the goal line and get set. mindboggling.

without a corresponding pass rush, soft zones are the worst.

When we have them in 3rd and 12 you just KNOW theyre going to complete a pass in the middle of the field. We've been seeing it for YEARS.

This team has no institutional memory. Each new coaching staff tries to make a living with bubble screens. They dont remember what happened with the previous staff.

Same with soft zones.

 

1 hour ago, ChileBear said:

Agree completely. D is supposed to be Flus' strong point, yet, when it's 4th quarter and the game's on the line his D craps down their pants. There are no more excuses for keeping Flus.

there are so many good reason to fire Eberflus, but youre right, even what he's supposedly good at sucks.

[adam]

The QBs and teams a Flus-led team has beaten in the last 3 years:

2022 - Trey Lance/13-4, Davis Mills/3-13-1, Bailey Zappe/8-9
2023 - Sam Howell/4-13, Brian Hoyer/6-11, Bryce Young/2-15, Joshua Dobbs/7-10, Jared Goff/12-5, Kyler Murray/4-13, Taylor Heinicke/7-10
2024 - Will Levis/3-8, Matt Stafford/5-6, Andy Dalton/3-8, Trevor Lawrence/2-9

The combined winning pct is .371, 79-134-1, ironically enough, that winning pct is better than Flus' at .311. 

He has won 2 games against teams that finished the year with a winning record, the 2022 49ers, that the Bears beat in Week 1 in the monsoon, and the 2023 Lions in Week 14.

So one signature win, that's it. 
 

[Connorbear]

Fire Flus Thursday night or Friday after they lose their 6th in a row. Promote Brown to HC and see if he has the juice to possibly be HC. Bench Keenan Allen as he is not part of the future plans and give Scott and Johnson his reps going forward. Any player not under contract for next season, should have playing time reduced so others can be evaluated. It's all about building a team around Caleb going forward. 

Peace

[Mongo3451]

18 minutes ago, Connorbear said:

Fire Flus Thursday night or Friday after they lose their 6th in a row. Promote Brown to HC and see if he has the juice to possibly be HC. Bench Keenan Allen as he is not part of the future plans and give Scott and Johnson his reps going forward. Any player not under contract for next season, should have playing time reduced so others can be evaluated. It's all about building a team around Caleb going forward. 

Peace

I say yes to firing Flus.  As far as Brown is concerned, I believe he is serving us best from the box.  He may indeed be a good HC someday, but he has Caleb cooking from the rule he is playing now.  How about Washington?  That may be a smoother transition.

[Connorbear]

10 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

I say yes to firing Flus.  As far as Brown is concerned, I believe he is serving us best from the box.  He may indeed be a good HC someday, but he has Caleb cooking from the rule he is playing now.  How about Washington?  That may be a smoother transition.

I'd be good with Washington as long as Flus is gone. I agree it might be more beneficial to leave Brown where he's at. 

Peace

[BearFan PHX]

As if we needed more reasons... Sheesh
 

 

[adam]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

As if we needed more reasons... Sheesh
 

 

Yeah, it is beyond embarrassing at this point. We are so far gone already. I knew Eberflus was just larping this entire time. Like the staged meeting with Caleb in Hard Knocks with Flus telling Caleb the number of plays they have like that is some amazing factoid of knowledge. Caleb sat there the entire time saying "yeah, yeah, yeah". I thought it was awkward then, and it is still awkward now. 

There were so many signs last season that this season did not need to go this way. I guarantee if Flus wasn't retained, Waldron would not have been hired. 

[BearFan PHX]

44 minutes ago, adam said:

Yeah, it is beyond embarrassing at this point. We are so far gone already. I knew Eberflus was just larping this entire time. Like the staged meeting with Caleb in Hard Knocks with Flus telling Caleb the number of plays they have like that is some amazing factoid of knowledge. Caleb sat there the entire time saying "yeah, yeah, yeah". I thought it was awkward then, and it is still awkward now. 

There were so many signs last season that this season did not need to go this way. I guarantee if Flus wasn't retained, Waldron would not have been hired. 

All of this is so true. Flus is a fraud. I had forgotten (repressed?) that Hard Knocks moment. What the hell.

So here I am, hoping that a guy i don't really have any particular evidence based reason to believe in, who is not a football guy, who's actual job is to build a new stadium, can make the kids behave themselves and make the right decisions.

I'm telling you, I can't prove it, and it may not be fair, but I don't trust Poles either. He kept Eberflus. He oversaw Waldron. If I hear that Ian Cunningham didn't want to keep Flus, I'd fire Poles tomorrow and promote Cunningham.

[adam]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

All of this is so true. Flus is a fraud. I had forgotten (repressed?) that Hard Knocks moment. What the hell.

So here I am, hoping that a guy i don't really have any particular evidence based reason to believe in, who is not a football guy, who's actual job is to build a new stadium, can make the kids behave themselves and make the right decisions.

I'm telling you, I can't prove it, and it may not be fair, but I don't trust Poles either. He kept Eberflus. He oversaw Waldron. If I hear that Ian Cunningham didn't want to keep Flus, I'd fire Poles tomorrow and promote Cunningham.

Yeah, I am out on Poles too. What has he done exactly? Again, if not for lucking into the Carolina trade, this team would look nothing like it does now. Even with that trade, he still messed it up (trades up for Stevenson, uses draft capital on Pickens, Scott, and Velus, wastes pick #32 on Claypool. The Bears would've been better off auto-drafting. No joke, just draft BPA every year and you look like Minnesota's roster.  Sweat does not look worth all that money plus a high 2nd rounder right now. Washington looks fine without him. People may not even realize, but Poles has already used 2x draft picks on punters in 3 years when 80% of the rest of the league signs guys as UDFAs or off the street. I was fine for letting Roquan walk, but Edmunds was overpaid, and is not lighting the world on fire by any means. Then we get to the OLine. You would think, as a former O-Lineman, that he would at least know what it takes to be a good OLineman, but nope, he literally brought on passive guys like himself, Jones, Wright, Davis, Shelton, Bates, etc. The only dawg is Jenkins who was not drafted by Poles and is hurt a lot. 

For Cunningham, what is his role in all of this? If he is just an echo chamber, maybe he is not the right guy for the job either. 

All I know is, if they finish with 6 or fewer wins, both Flus and Poles need to go. Flus should be gone regardless of outcome, but just say Caleb puts it together and they win 8 or 9 games and the roster plays to it's potential, then you have some proof that Poles built a solid roster. Right now it is hard to tell.

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, adam said:

For Cunningham, what is his role in all of this? If he is just an echo chamber, maybe he is not the right guy for the job either.

Yeah I have a gut feeling about Cunningham, but no real evidence.

[Stinger226]

[adam]

You know it is bad when Jaylon Johnson is making comments AND playing like crap. HIs play has dropped off a cliff and Sunday was his worst game since 2022.