Week 12 Official Game Thread - for the 3 people watching

[adam]

Prediction: Bears loss

[Mongo3451]

30 minutes ago, adam said:

Prediction: Bears loss

[Bears4Ever_34]

If Caleb comes out of this game without a turnover, he should be given a medal. Most likely will be the toughest test for him this season, given what Flores likes to do. I expect a very similar gameplan to today with a lot of screens and quick passes to avoid catastrophic sacks. 

[BearFan PHX]

Caleb's time to throw today was pretty quick on a lot of his throws. Faster than anything weve really seen before. To do that in one week tells you how screwed up the gameplan was with Waldron. Matching short protections like play action with longer routes. Today looked more like football.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

This loss stings - but saw a lot of positives today from Caleb and Rome and the offense as a whole. 

[Stinger226]

20 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

This loss stings - but saw a lot of positives today from Caleb and Rome and the offense as a whole. 

Everybody gets excited about the losing but developing Caleb is all that matters. Brown much better than Waldron, one step at a time. He got everybody involved, cut down on the information overload and Caleb responded. We are one more draft class away from the playoffs and if Caleb is great , we're going to  have some championships in the near future.

[BearFan PHX]

51 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Everybody gets excited about the losing but developing Caleb is all that matters. Brown much better than Waldron, one step at a time. He got everybody involved, cut down on the information overload and Caleb responded. We are one more draft class away from the playoffs and if Caleb is great , we're going to  have some championships in the near future.

I agree with all of this, but we need a new coaching staff. Just because the O wasnt horrible doesnt mean you extend this when Kingsbury, Johnson, Kubiak or whoever is waiting in the wings.

You dont just need to get better than awful - you need to chase greatness and that means upgrading people.

In other words, dont compare Flus/Brown to Flus/Waldron, compare it to the Lions or the Redskins offense. Compare it to the top 5 teams in the league.

Going from 29th to 15th isnt the goal. Going to #1 and bullying the f*ck out of the league is the goal. We need coaches who are winners.

[Stinger226]

8 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I agree with all of this, but we need a new coaching staff. Just because the O wasnt horrible doesnt mean you extend this when Kingsbury, Johnson, Kubiak or whoever is waiting in the wings.

You dont just need to get better than awful - you need to chase greatness and that means upgrading people.

In other words, dont compare Flus/Brown to Flus/Waldron, compare it to the Lions or the Redskins offense. Compare it to the top 5 teams in the league.

Going from 29th to 15th isnt the goal. Going to #1 and bullying the f*ck out of the league is the goal. We need coaches who are winners.

I look for positives, Flus isnt getting fired tommorrow, so I look for progress. Repeating every week that we need to change coaches means nothing with 7 games left. He will be gone, so I look for Caleb to be better and he was. That does not mean I am now supporting Flus. I am just a fan and I wont be picking the next coach. I would like Gruden but that is an opinion. I need to check and see who Grudens agent is, since lots of people think that is why Poles choose Flus. 

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I look for positives, Flus isnt getting fired tommorrow, so I look for progress. Repeating every week that we need to change coaches means nothing with 7 games left. He will be gone, so I look for Caleb to be better and he was. That does not mean I am now supporting Flus. I am just a fan and I wont be picking the next coach. I would like Gruden but that is an opinion. I need to check and see who Grudens agent is, since lots of people think that is why Poles choose Flus. 

I dont want Flus fired now either. Do it at the end of the season.

Im just saying I dont trust Poles to make the next choice. If Poles is retained, I hope Warren is a huge part of the decision. ANd having said that, I think that means you gotta fire Poles, and with Cunningham in the wings, it makes it that much easier to do.

I doubt we hire another Trace Armstrong guy.

[adam]

Looking at unit EPA comparisons:

CHI 24th OFF, 27th Pass, 12th Rush, TTT 2.86, QBP 38.1
MIN 1st DEF, 7th Pass, 1st Rush, TTT 2.78, QBP 37.2
On offense, Caleb won't really feel too much difference as his TTT and QBP are almost the same as what MIN has done. The biggest factor looks to be the rush defense. 

MIN 14th OFF, 13th Pass, 21st Rush, TTT 3.06, QBP 36.3
CHI 8th DEF, 3rd Pass, 20th Rush, TTT 2.93, QBP 34.4
On defense, MIN is actually a middle of the road offense. Outside of JJ, it is even less. The Bears will be forcing Darnold to throw faster than he is used to which may cause his pressure rate to go up. 

[Stinger226]

20 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I agree with all of this, but we need a new coaching staff. Just because the O wasnt horrible doesnt mean you extend this when Kingsbury, Johnson, Kubiak or whoever is waiting in the wings.

You dont just need to get better than awful - you need to chase greatness and that means upgrading people.

In other words, dont compare Flus/Brown to Flus/Waldron, compare it to the Lions or the Redskins offense. Compare it to the top 5 teams in the league.

Going from 29th to 15th isnt the goal. Going to #1 and bullying the f*ck out of the league is the goal. We need coaches who are winners.

Where did I write I am supporting Flus to come back? He lost me a few weeks ago. I have said I think if he wins more games than he loses,  Poles may bring him back. I have been talking about Gruden. I heard Cleveland may let their coach go and several people have said he is a good coach. I dont know enough about to form an opinion.

[BearFan PHX]

58 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Where did I write I am supporting Flus to come back? He lost me a few weeks ago. I have said I think if he wins more games than he loses,  Poles may bring him back. I have been talking about Gruden. I heard Cleveland may let their coach go and several people have said he is a good coach. I dont know enough about to form an opinion.

Yeah I wasnt saying that about you, I was debating against the idea of him coming back, in this case because you thought Poles might, so I was saying why Poles would be wrong to.

But I want to pick our next head coach from the full pool of talent, the best of which is currently coaching on other teams, and not pick from the best of whats out there right now. So Id wait for the offseason for that.