Is he fired yet?

[OmahaBear]

I keep checking espn to see if they fired him yet. 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

More and more stuff coming out from best writers…sounds like a lot of smoke here (no surprise given that ending and the press conference that followed). 

[Bears4Ever_34]

If it's going to happen, it'll be tomorrow. 

I won't believe it until I see it, but you have to think someone in that organization has to care enough to make the switch now. The team is done with Eberflus. The players are speaking out, and now the national media has made them into a laughing stock (again). If it doesn't happen, it never will. This is as bad as it has ever been. Worse than Trestman, worse than Fox, worse than Nagy at the end. For once, can things just be different?

[DABEARSDABOMB]

7 minutes ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

If it's going to happen, it'll be tomorrow. 

I won't believe it until I see it, but you have to think someone in that organization has to care enough to make the switch now. The team is done with Eberflus. The players are speaking out, and now the national media has made them into a laughing stock (again). If it doesn't happen, it never will. This is as bad as it has ever been. Worse than Trestman, worse than Fox, worse than Nagy at the end. For once, can things just be different?

Trestman was the only one worse - what he did to the locker room and culture was something else, but I think at this point keeping Flus may start to do that. 
 

Crappy part is Flus coaching staff is pretty weak - probably cause he was scared of having good interim candidates. Maybe just turn it to Washington and let Hoke call the defense (or vice versa?).

[DABEARSDABOMB]

16 minutes ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

If it's going to happen, it'll be tomorrow. 

I won't believe it until I see it, but you have to think someone in that organization has to care enough to make the switch now. The team is done with Eberflus. The players are speaking out, and now the national media has made them into a laughing stock (again). If it doesn't happen, it never will. This is as bad as it has ever been. Worse than Trestman, worse than Fox, worse than Nagy at the end. For once, can things just be different?

To your point - he would normally have his press conference tomorrow morning. I would expect they would fire him before that press conference cause rolling him out to media tomorrow and axing him a day later would just be downright mean.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

17 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

Trestman was the only one worse - what he did to the locker room and culture was something else, but I think at this point keeping Flus may start to do that. 
 

Crappy part is Flus coaching staff is pretty weak - probably cause he was scared of having good interim candidates. Maybe just turn it to Washington and let Hoke call the defense (or vice versa?).

Yes, Trestman completely lost the locker room and the performance was obvious the players did not even try. 

At least these players care and still try. 

[Stinger226]

Poles speaks today at 9 AM. Firing is a no brainer but who takes over? Fans dont care but Poles wont do it without having someone to take over. I suspect he will have to talk to the coaching staff to figure that out. Brown needs to just stay with Caleb to keep developing him. It may not be today.

[adam]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

Poles speaks today at 9 AM. Firing is a no brainer but who takes over? Fans dont care but Poles wont do it without having someone to take over. I suspect he will have to talk to the coaching staff to figure that out. Brown needs to just stay with Caleb to keep developing him. It may not be today.

Washington or Hightower I would assume, so Brown can stay in the booth to call plays, but I would not be opposed to any of those 3. 

[Mongo3451]

They let him have a conference call this morning, so he's probably staying.  The first three questions were about whether he'd keep his job, which was brutal.  He deflected all them with on to SF...

[Bears4Ever_34]

Adam Hoge just said on his podcast that he doesn't think a decision has been made yet on Eberflus, and that it could take until Monday morning to have final confirmation. The press conference was earlier than normal, and we know the Bears love to dither on obvious decisions that most normal people could make in a fraction of the time (see the Shane Waldron firing).

[Stinger226]

59 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

They let him have a conference call this morning, so he's probably staying.  The first three questions were about whether he'd keep his job, which was brutal.  He deflected all them with on to SF...

Brad Biggs said he meets with the brass this afternoon, I didnt expect them to just fire them w/o a plan. They have to figure it out yet. Is there someone Poles or Cunnginham are close to that could be brought in temporarly, we dont know. Also who can take over that is here ? I dont think they want to stick to much on Thomas Browns plate since he is doing well with Caleb. 

Wait and see, it may not be figured out  until monday.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

20 minutes ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

Adam Hoge just said on his podcast that he doesn't think a decision has been made yet on Eberflus, and that it could take until Monday morning to have final confirmation. The press conference was earlier than normal, and we know the Bears love to dither on obvious decisions that most normal people could make in a fraction of the time (see the Shane Waldron firing).

I think the problem they have is they don’t have any good interim candidates other than Brown and it would be foolish to put more on Browns plate right now given the importance of Caleb. 
 

The only thing I could see making sense is bringing in an outside interim guy who knew he was just an interim guy. Only Lovie comes to mind in that scenario.

 

That or if they want to go Belicheck you hand keys to him now (but that would be highly unusual). I think at this point I would be a big fan of Beli and Vrabel together. Right now Vrabel is tops at my list cause he know he won’t put up with bullshit and he knows what it takes. He also has had some good offensive coaches despite being a defensive guy and I think he is just a fit in Chicago’s culture (not Bears..more the city).

[DABEARSDABOMB]

By the way - the fact they have no interim candidates is an indictment on Flus and Poles for how thin their staff really was too. 

[BearFan PHX]

Flus needs to be fired, but I dont personally care if it happens now or at the end of the season. An interim coach is probably just more chaos and noise. Even if he wins, or gets everyone together, if he isnt the HC next year, then it was just more to learn and forget.

And I think we need to make our decision of the next head coach with the full plate of options available, and a lot of them are currently coaching somewhere else right now. So falling in love with an interim coach because he is mediocre instead of awful is a trap.

Also, as you all know, I dont hate Poles, and if we could somehow get the right coach, I wouldnt mind keeping Poles after that. My gut says go with Cunningham, but I dont really have any strong evidence for him over some other candidate I dont know anything about.

But more than anything else, we have to get this next Head Coach right, or we are back in hell and Caleb is done in Chicago. I mean, he'll play here, and at some point hold out, if it's all regular Bears all around him.

We need a head coach to take this window, with Caleb and make it into a winner we can support for 10 or 15 years. It's that or hell. THere is no in between right now, because Caleb wont stay for it after a couple more years.

So the decision about the next Head Coach is EVERYTHING.

Who do we trust to make this biggest franchise decision in the last 30 years?

 

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

Flus needs to be fired, but I dont personally care if it happens now or at the end of the season. An interim coach is probably just more chaos and noise. Even if he wins, or gets everyone together, if he isnt the HC next year, then it was just more to learn and forget.

And I think we need to make our decision of the next head coach with the full plate of options available, and a lot of them are currently coaching somewhere else right now. So falling in love with an interim coach because he is mediocre instead of awful is a trap.

Also, as you all know, I dont hate Poles, and if we could somehow get the right coach, I wouldnt mind keeping Poles after that. My gut says go with Cunningham, but I dont really have any strong evidence for him over some other candidate I dont know anything about.

But more than anything else, we have to get this next Head Coach right, or we are back in hell and Caleb is done in Chicago. I mean, he'll play here, and at some point hold out, if it's all regular Bears all around him.

We need a head coach to take this window, with Caleb and make it into a winner we can support for 10 or 15 years. It's that or hell. THere is no in between right now, because Caleb wont stay for it after a couple more years.

So the decision about the next Head Coach is EVERYTHING.

Who do we trust to make this biggest franchise decision in the last 30 years?

 

First of all fans dont get to have say in whether Poles stays or goes. Very true that the HC job is very critical to the future of the Bears. If they fire Poles then its a crap show this off season. They are not going to just turn it over to Cunningham, no one knows what input he has had in decisions. If he is involved then it would be a negative because this season has been a downhill slide. 

You may not have any trust in Poles but who knows who will be the next GM and who he may want to be his coach. By the time they figure that out, all the good coaches could  be gone. Do you trust George and Warren to get it right? Warren was a lawyer that got a good deal on a stadium for the Vikings, he was never involved with personal. I trust Poles way more than George or Warren. 

[BearFan PHX]

49 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

First of all fans dont get to have say in whether Poles stays or goes.

that is true of everything posted on this site, isnt it? Im not thinking that the Bears should call me on the phone, but i do think they have made a bunch of mistakes, and a lot of us here have seen them coming. For me, Poles should not be the one making the decision on the new HC.
 

 

50 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

They are not going to just turn it over to Cunningham, no one knows what input he has had in decisions. If he is involved then it would be a negative because this season has been a downhill slide.

This doesnt make sense to me. Everyone is saying hes a candidate for GM that other teams are looking at, and we should know him well enough now to know what we think of him internally?

Also, youd have to know what Cunningham has been saying about these decisions all along. We dont, but Warren does. Maybe Warren already knows enough to know that my hunch is wrong.
 

52 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

By the time they figure that out, all the good coaches could  be gone. Do you trust George and Warren to get it right? Warren was a lawyer that got a good deal on a stadium for the Vikings, he was never involved with personal. I trust Poles way more than George or Warren. 

if they go to Cunningham then they could do that at any time, before the coaching heats up - plus no doubt Cunningham is already involved in the internal coaching search, so he has as much info as Poles right now.

I agree I want a GM making that decision. But if you get someone wh has run a modern offense, and has leadership skills and alpha energy it's not THAT hard to do.

I can make you a list of guys that dont have that energy and never should have been hired: Trestman, Nagy, Eberflus - I knew the moment I saw them speak they didnt have that thing that for example Dan Campbell has just dripping out of him. Campbell may not have Xs and Os like some genius nerds, but he has that alpha thing for DAYS.

[Daventry]

38 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

that is true of everything posted on this site, isnt it? Im not thinking that the Bears should call me on the phone, but i do think they have made a bunch of mistakes, and a lot of us here have seen them coming. For me, Poles should not be the one making the decision on the new HC.
 

 

This doesnt make sense to me. Everyone is saying hes a candidate for GM that other teams are looking at, and we should know him well enough now to know what we think of him internally?

Also, youd have to know what Cunningham has been saying about these decisions all along. We dont, but Warren does. Maybe Warren already knows enough to know that my hunch is wrong.
 

if they go to Cunningham then they could do that at any time, before the coaching heats up - plus no doubt Cunningham is already involved in the internal coaching search, so he has as much info as Poles right now.

I agree I want a GM making that decision. But if you get someone wh has run a modern offense, and has leadership skills and alpha energy it's not THAT hard to do.

I can make you a list of guys that dont have that energy and never should have been hired: Trestman, Nagy, Eberflus - I knew the moment I saw them speak they didnt have that thing that for example Dan Campbell has just dripping out of him. Campbell may not have Xs and Os like some genius nerds, but he has that alpha thing for DAYS.

Agreed, Campbell was integral in the transformation of the Lions.  I have to admit, I like to see them doing well, Detroit deserves it.  We deserve it more though, lol.

 I would encourage Phx, and everyone really, to ignore your protagonist, “Stinger”.  He has nothing useful to say, the same guy who complained endlessly about the need to keep Fields etc.  The ignore option is available and helps one to focus on intelligent views.  
I would like to see Poles go too, if a better option is identified.  His performance is mediocre at best and he is responsible for Eberflus.  He is the named responsible person.  That, along with Nate Davies, TURD of the year, Velus Jones, Claypool, and more equals giving him the happy heave ho.

 

[BearFan PHX]

16 minutes ago, Daventry said:

Agreed, Campbell was integral in the transformation of the Lions.  I have to admit, I like to see them doing well, Detroit deserves it.  We deserve it more though, lol.

 I would encourage Phx, and everyone really, to ignore your protagonist, “Stinger”.  He has nothing useful to say, the same guy who complained endlessly about the need to keep Fields etc.  The ignore option is available and helps one to focus on intelligent views.  
I would like to see Poles go too, if a better option is identified.  His performance is mediocre at best and he is responsible for Eberflus.  He is the named responsible person.  That, along with Nate Davies, TURD of the year, Velus Jones, Claypool, and more equals giving him the happy heave ho.

 

I like seeing the Lions do well too. I like good teams, and the Lions look like a great blue collar team. I wish it was us.

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

that is true of everything posted on this site, isnt it? Im not thinking that the Bears should call me on the phone, but i do think they have made a bunch of mistakes, and a lot of us here have seen them coming. For me, Poles should not be the one making the decision on the new HC.
 

 

This doesnt make sense to me. Everyone is saying hes a candidate for GM that other teams are looking at, and we should know him well enough now to know what we think of him internally?

Also, youd have to know what Cunningham has been saying about these decisions all along. We dont, but Warren does. Maybe Warren already knows enough to know that my hunch is wrong.
 

if they go to Cunningham then they could do that at any time, before the coaching heats up - plus no doubt Cunningham is already involved in the internal coaching search, so he has as much info as Poles right now.

I agree I want a GM making that decision. But if you get someone wh has run a modern offense, and has leadership skills and alpha energy it's not THAT hard to do.

I can make you a list of guys that dont have that energy and never should have been hired: Trestman, Nagy, Eberflus - I knew the moment I saw them speak they didnt have that thing that for example Dan Campbell has just dripping out of him. Campbell may not have Xs and Os like some genius nerds, but he has that alpha thing for DAYS.

You have been right a lot about Fields and Flus but I just push back on Cunningham being a good leader when they're is no evidence to prove  that. I could throw a bunch of comments out there and it would give me better odds of being right. 

I dont think George fires Poles, a history of evidence to show for that.  Cunningham may be a great GM but dont know that at this time. If Brown gets a winning record in the last 5 games, Bears history says they make him the next HC, Williams stays as DC and we have stability for better or worse. That's what I think the Bears do, I would just hire Jon Gruden and run with it.