Eberflus FIRED; Brown interim HC

[Stinger226]

enough said.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Now to see who interim is. 

[Bears4Ever_34]

Thank god! 

Thomas Brown made the interim. Exactly who it should be.

[Stinger226]

None of this matters anymore but the FG attempt for Santos would have been a 59 yarder of which Santos would not have made. 

They had to run another play to try to get closer with a 3rd and 26yards to go. 

A good coach would have called a TO after the sack  (30 seconds left) and instilled one play to get 10 yards hoping to be able to stop the clock. I think a roll out with a sideline pass and Caleb having the option to run out of bounds was the best option. Odds are we would not have won the game. 

Flus robbed us of the chance to play in OT and is now fired for it. By the way Brown was named the interm coach.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Brown is interim head coach. I want him focused on offense but it is clear he is the coach the players trust and believe in so I get it from that logic. 

[BearFan PHX]

Im glad we didnt bring anyone in from outside.

Strategically, it didnt matter when Flus got fired, but its good to see Warren and Poles can exercise some authority.

I think we can take this to mean that we arent looking at Belichick or Vrabel for HC at the top of our wish list next year. I wouldnt want Belichick right now either. 10 years ago, sure!

I agree that Brown needs to focus on Calebs development most. Most of us from the couch could do at least a mediocre job of handling timeouts and challenges and stuff like that. Hopefully Brown can do that stuff without getting too distracted.

One interesting thing now to watch is how the defense plays. If they are at least the same, then Eberflus brought NOTHING, and all that smoke about him being a good DC clears to reveal what a fake he was the whole time.

If they drop off, then that says something about Eberflus having had some positive effect.

[AZ54]

9 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

Brown is interim head coach. I want him focused on offense but it is clear he is the coach the players trust and believe in so I get it from that logic. 

In that context I'm ok with Brown as the interim but Caleb needs him upstairs in the booth doing what he's been doing.  I don't know who calls plays now.  If it's Brown then he'll be doing it from the sidelines which isn't likely to be as effective for him.  This is going to be a big mess coming down the stretch.  

[Mongo3451]

14 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

In that context I'm ok with Brown as the interim but Caleb needs him upstairs in the booth doing what he's been doing.  I don't know who calls plays now.  If it's Brown then he'll be doing it from the sidelines which isn't likely to be as effective for him.  This is going to be a big mess coming down the stretch.  

I was saying the same for the last couple of weeks.  To rationalize, maybe Brown has the guy under him that he trusts enough to collaborate with.  Maybe that was even part of the selection process with Poles.  Look at me thinking we may be competent...🤪

[Bears4Ever_34]

37 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

In that context I'm ok with Brown as the interim but Caleb needs him upstairs in the booth doing what he's been doing.  I don't know who calls plays now.  If it's Brown then he'll be doing it from the sidelines which isn't likely to be as effective for him.  This is going to be a big mess coming down the stretch.  

I'd be surprised if Brown isn't still calling plays. If he gets the HC job, it'll be because of the job he does with Caleb. Unlikely that he'd willingly give up play calling and risk Caleb looking bad, which would end any semblance of him landing a HC job.

Whoever the assistant HC is right now should take some of the load of Brown's shoulders during these remaining 5 weeks and allow him to spend as much time as he needs with the offense. Wins and losses don't really matter right now. All that matters is Caleb.

[Stinger226]

39 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Im glad we didnt bring anyone in from outside.

Strategically, it didnt matter when Flus got fired, but its good to see Warren and Poles can exercise some authority.

I think we can take this to mean that we arent looking at Belichick or Vrabel for HC at the top of our wish list next year. I wouldnt want Belichick right now either. 10 years ago, sure!

I agree that Brown needs to focus on Calebs development most. Most of us from the couch could do at least a mediocre job of handling timeouts and challenges and stuff like that. Hopefully Brown can do that stuff without getting too distracted.

One interesting thing now to watch is how the defense plays. If they are at least the same, then Eberflus brought NOTHING, and all that smoke about him being a good DC clears to reveal what a fake he was the whole time.

If they drop off, then that says something about Eberflus having had some positive effect.

He is fired now, not sure why you want to kill any positive influence he brought to the team. Last yr when he took over the play calling , he definitly affected the defensive quality. The yr  the defense started out well and when injuries hit, it started sliding. He is a very bad HC but that doesnt mean he is not a good DC. This is an example of hate that I said that yoy do. 

[Stinger226]

46 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

In that context I'm ok with Brown as the interim but Caleb needs him upstairs in the booth doing what he's been doing.  I don't know who calls plays now.  If it's Brown then he'll be doing it from the sidelines which isn't likely to be as effective for him.  This is going to be a big mess coming down the stretch.  

Firing Flus now does create chaos  but it had to be done. You are right about Brown concentrating on Caleb and play calling, he has to have someone to lean on to help with other duties.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Thomas Brown most likely leaves next season as is. Making him HC gives you first hand sight at his ability to HC.  That may take a little focus off Caleb but he will still call plays but on the sideline. 

As for Bellichick, bring him in a get his insight. Hire him if he seems good, even if for 3 to 5 years.  He is one of the greatest of all time.  I'll take a few years if that. 

[Bears4Ever_34]

28 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Thomas Brown most likely leaves next season as is. Making him HC gives you first hand sight at his ability to HC.  That may take a little focus off Caleb but he will still call plays but on the sideline. 

As for Bellichick, bring him in a get his insight. Hire him if he seems good, even if for 3 to 5 years.  He is one of the greatest of all time.  I'll take a few years if that. 

Belichick hates Caleb and has already made public criticisms at Poles for ignoring his OL. Without Brady, he was a disaster in New England. I absolutely want no part of him. I'd rather have Pete Carrol, if we're going down that road.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

22 minutes ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

Belichick hates Caleb and has already made public criticisms at Poles for ignoring his OL. Without Brady, he was a disaster in New England. I absolutely want no part of him. I'd rather have Pete Carrol, if we're going down that road.

He also didn't get along so well with Brady.  I would say he uses tough love to bring the respect and excellence put of his field generals.  If he is buddy buddy, that allows slack.  

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

I'd be surprised if Brown isn't still calling plays. If he gets the HC job, it'll be because of the job he does with Caleb. Unlikely that he'd willingly give up play calling and risk Caleb looking bad, which would end any semblance of him landing a HC job.

Whoever the assistant HC is right now should take some of the load of Brown's shoulders during these remaining 5 weeks and allow him to spend as much time as he needs with the offense. Wins and losses don't really matter right now. All that matters is Caleb.

amen

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

He is fired now, not sure why you want to kill any positive influence he brought to the team. Last yr when he took over the play calling , he definitly affected the defensive quality. The yr  the defense started out well and when injuries hit, it started sliding. He is a very bad HC but that doesnt mean he is not a good DC. This is an example of hate that I said that yoy do. 

because Im not all about sunshine and rainbows, and I think it's important to see where things were bad and whose fault that was so we can learn and grow.

I dont like participation trophies, and I dont like excuses.

If Poles kept a guy that actually didnt add anything to the defense, and all this time it was the roster, then we know Poles picks defensive backfield players well, but not coaches for example.

Im not hating on Eberflus. Im saying i dont think he had as positive effect on the D as you do. Its not to belittle the guy, but to understand we kept a guy that gave us nothing, and to use that information when we remember who wanted to keep Flus, and who should pick the next coach.

This is about the difference between being a fanboy and accountability. I wanna know who is good and who is bad and who to replace so we can be great.

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

because Im not all about sunshine and rainbows, and I think it's important to see where things were bad and whose fault that was so we can learn and grow.

I dont like participation trophies, and I dont like excuses.

If Poles kept a guy that actually didnt add anything to the defense, and all this time it was the roster, then we know Poles picks defensive backfield players well, but not coaches for example.

Im not hating on Eberflus. Im saying i dont think he had as positive effect on the D as you do. Its not to belittle the guy, but to understand we kept a guy that gave us nothing, and to use that information when we remember who wanted to keep Flus, and who should pick the next coach.

This is about the difference between being a fanboy and accountability. I wanna know who is good and who is bad and who to replace so we can be great.

Flus has a proven record of good DC play from Dallas and Colts to the affect he has had since he took over calling the plays, acknowleging some good and bad points of any coach is okay, it doesnt mean I'm a fanboy, its just a logical evaluation. 

Saying he was a good DC and thinking he is a terrible HC can exist at the same time. 

[BearFan PHX]

8 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Flus has a proven record of good DC play from Dallas and Colts to the affect he has had since he took over calling the plays, acknowleging some good and bad points of any coach is okay, it doesnt mean I'm a fanboy, its just a logical evaluation. 

Saying he was a good DC and thinking he is a terrible HC can exist at the same time. 

Im just sayin, if Im a hater, then youre definitely a fanboy.

Also I am aware that he could have been a good DC and a terrible HC. Of course that is possible. But I think the performance of our D, such as it is, is the players, and I credit Poles for that. (see, not a Poles hater )

I suspect we will see no drop off in Defensive play, and that will prove that Flus didnt add anything on that side of the ball either.

And to reiterate, my point in saying all of this is to say that anyone who defended Eberflus on the basis of what he added on the defensive side of the ball was wrong. And i dont mean fans like us, I am speaking about WHY Poles kept him?

I think Poles has done some good things in drafting players, but he has also been consistently terrible in picking coaches. Not just Flus, but the coordinators too. I dont want him picking the next head coach. Thats really my main point.

Anyway, if the defense continues to play at the same level going forward, or better, then Flus didnt add anything there. Thats just logic too?

[CrackerDog]

Lose to the 3 win Patriots in embarrassing fashion.  

Lose on a last second Hail Mary against the Commanders.  

Lose three winnable games in a row against division opponents. 

And last season was more of the same.  Losing winnable games.  

We need a coach who wins those and steals a win here or there in games that they’re outmatched but get lucky anyway.   

This team has talent.  Use this draft to build the Offensive Line and fill holes.  

They need better leadership.   I’m disappointed the clowns who own my favorite team continue to fail us but MAYBE they’ll get it right this time.  Firing Eberflus was a step in the right direction.  Probably a year late but WTF I’m only 60 so maybe they’ll get it done before I die….

[BearFan PHX]

25 minutes ago, CrackerDog said:

Lose to the 3 win Patriots in embarrassing fashion.  

Lose on a last second Hail Mary against the Commanders.  

Lose three winnable games in a row against division opponents. 

And last season was more of the same.  Losing winnable games.  

We need a coach who wins those and steals a win here or there in games that they’re outmatched but get lucky anyway.   

This team has talent.  Use this draft to build the Offensive Line and fill holes.  

They need better leadership.   I’m disappointed the clowns who own my favorite team continue to fail us but MAYBE they’ll get it right this time.  Firing Eberflus was a step in the right direction.  Probably a year late but WTF I’m only 60 so maybe they’ll get it done before I die….

dude it is SO frustrating. I truly want to believe that if we get the right coaching staff, and fill a few holes, that were headed to top 5 territory.

The hardest thing to find is the QB, and we have him. We also have good talent in the defensive back 7. We need help in the trenches on both sides, and as Allen ages out, we'll need another WR. We probably need another DB for Stevenson. Or maybe the new coaching staff will rejuvenate him.

But i totally agree, we are not that far from being a tough team to beat.

It all hinges now on getting the right coaches, and protection for Williams up front. And a good OL will help the running game too of course.

I truly hope this can work, and we dont need to wait for the McCaskeys to sell. If they get in the way of bringing in the right HC, and opt instead for another HR friendly muppet it will be a disaster.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

4 hours ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

Belichick hates Caleb and has already made public criticisms at Poles for ignoring his OL. Without Brady, he was a disaster in New England. I absolutely want no part of him. I'd rather have Pete Carrol, if we're going down that road.

I heard opposite - he was pretty high on Caleb. But I agree he won’t be coming. Vrabel could though and he was pretty good in Tennessee. 

[BearFan PHX]

Belichick is too old and needs full control - not that he wouldn't be better than what we have, but he wasn't so great the past few years.

Belichick was a genius, but he's too old now I think.

[Mongo3451]

Y'all think Kerry Joseph will move to OC?

[ASHKUM BEAR]

34 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Belichick is too old and needs full control - not that he wouldn't be better than what we have, but he wasn't so great the past few years.

Belichick was a genius, but he's too old now I think.

I would at least bring him in and see what he would do with this team.  If he wants the NFL record for wins, which he needs 27 more, that would 2-3 years and be normal from what we have seen from HCs lately.  Poles can learn a little about player evaluation from a great too while giving up some control if Belichick wants some. 

He is one candidate that better be on the Bears short list.  The way they handled the Flus firing, I doubt it since they made the Deadman walk and speak this morning and fired him 90 minutes after 

[ChileBear]

6 hours ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

I'd be surprised if Brown isn't still calling plays. If he gets the HC job, it'll be because of the job he does with Caleb. Unlikely that he'd willingly give up play calling and risk Caleb looking bad, which would end any semblance of him landing a HC job.

Whoever the assistant HC is right now should take some of the load of Brown's shoulders during these remaining 5 weeks and allow him to spend as much time as he needs with the offense. Wins and losses don't really matter right now. All that matters is Caleb.

What a disfuncional organization. they let Flus give his Monday presser--and the whole world knows he's gonna get raked over the coals in that, THEN, two hours later they release that he's fired. WTF? Not classy at all. And now, the one guy that has shown some promise with Caleb is removed from his primary task to run this crap show. Do they have an end game? Brown should not be our next coach. Three games and the rest of the season as interim will not make him solid enough to lead the Bears next year. All they've done is used Brown as a stopgap and I can't see that as helping in the teams progress.