Eberflus FIRED; Brown interim HC

[adam]

What do you guys think about Mike McDaniels? He was all the hype and all of a sudden, after a 5-7 start, there are whispers that he is soft and the team is playing soft. This was also something mentioned late in the season last year and during the playoffs where they were 1 and done.

Do teams take on the persona of their HC over time?

[ChileBear]

10 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

an offensive Vrabel would be best. But who is that? I'm open because no one looks perfect to me (yet?).

We get the right guy and we are going to be solid for years.

[Mongo3451]

5 hours ago, adam said:

Do teams take on the persona of their HC over time?

The coach sets the overall personality of the team, until player leaders emerge.  That being said, coaches can kill teams by expecting personas that are against the nature of individuals. 

I remember Eberflus not wanting foul language on Hard Knocks.  Are you thinking about playing football or the camera?  I also remember Eberflus going the extra mile insisting his players not get into a fight during joint practices.  In their world, not fighting back makes you a punk ass bitch.(Verbatim) 

I can't remember how many times I've heard accomplished coaches say that a good camp fight is a good thing.  A recent example leads me to the Trevor Lawrence hit.  If his OL doesn't come to defend him, what does that say?  Damn the penalty.  Don't F with my quarterback!

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, ChileBear said:

We get the right guy and we are going to be solid for years.

I agree. The window is open, but this is not an easy decision. In time I am sure i will have a strong opinion about it, but i sure am glad Im not the one making the choice.

 

 

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

The coach sets the overall personality of the team, until player leaders emerge.  That being said, coaches can kill teams by expecting personas that are against the nature of individuals. 

I remember Eberflus not wanting foul language on Hard Knocks.  Are you thinking about playing football or the camera?  I also remember Eberflus going the extra mile insisting his players not get into a fight during joint practices.  In their world, not fighting back makes you a punk ass bitch.(Verbatim) 

I can't remember how many times I've heard accomplished coaches say that a good camp fight is a good thing.  A recent example leads me to the Trevor Lawrence hit.  If his OL doesn't come to defend him, what does that say?  Damn the penalty.  Don't F with my quarterback!

Right. We are not looking for a team that wants to play a gentlemanly game of football. I want a team that enjoys bullying their opponents, and stands for team pride.

[Bears4Ever_34]

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Two team sources told ESPN that Brown will be considered among the candidates in January as Chicago begins its coaching search. Other names the Bears hope to interview include Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson and Washington Commanders OC Kliff Kingsbury, the latter of whom interviewed for Chicago's offensive coordinator opening before the team hired Waldron.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42737364/nfl-bears-matt-eberflus-fired-ryan-poles-thomas-brown

Via Courtney Cronin.

This makes me feel better about the search if this is the direction they are looking in. Those are the exact 3 names I had circled as part of my short list. Ian Rappaport essentially said the same thing yesterday, talking about how an offensive mind seems to be the direction the Bears are leaning.

[BearFan PHX]

4 hours ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42737364/nfl-bears-matt-eberflus-fired-ryan-poles-thomas-brown

Via Courtney Cronin.

This makes me feel better about the search if this is the direction they are looking in. Those are the exact 3 names I had circled as part of my short list. Ian Rappaport essentially said the same thing yesterday, talking about how an offensive mind seems to be the direction the Bears are leaning.

I hope one of them is actually a legendary head coach in the making, and we pick the right one.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

8 hours ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/42737364/nfl-bears-matt-eberflus-fired-ryan-poles-thomas-brown

Via Courtney Cronin.

This makes me feel better about the search if this is the direction they are looking in. Those are the exact 3 names I had circled as part of my short list. Ian Rappaport essentially said the same thing yesterday, talking about how an offensive mind seems to be the direction the Bears are leaning.

I don’t want some 10 person search. Due your diligenc3 over next few weeks and narrow it down to 4-5 candidates. No more than that. My no doubt four candidates are outlined below. Brown could fall off the list if the rest of this season is a total dumpster fire.
 

Brown - If he does well, by all means

Ben Johnson - Would think he is the front runner.

Kingsbury - Smart and great work with Daniel’s. Question is what did he learn from his first stint failures. Knows Caleb well. 

Vrabel - My personal choice. If Bears don’t interview him it will send off a signal to me that they aren’t taking it serious. He is a hard ass - but demands respect and did excellent with a meh qb in Tannehill. Had identified Arthur Smith and generally seems to know how to find good coordinators. He is my top choice, but he is the exact guy Bears wouldn’t hire in the past cause he is going to put up with no nonsense. 
 

Wildcard - Gruden / Shanny / McDaniel / Browns HC. 

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

I don’t want some 10 person search. Due your diligenc3 over next few weeks and narrow it down to 4-5 candidates. No more than that. My no doubt four candidates are outlined below. Brown could fall off the list if the rest of this season is a total dumpster fire.
 

Brown - If he does well, by all means

Ben Johnson - Would think he is the front runner.

Kingsbury - Smart and great work with Daniel’s. Question is what did he learn from his first stint failures. Knows Caleb well. 

Vrabel - My personal choice. If Bears don’t interview him it will send off a signal to me that they aren’t taking it serious. He is a hard ass - but demands respect and did excellent with a meh qb in Tannehill. Had identified Arthur Smith and generally seems to know how to find good coordinators. He is my top choice, but he is the exact guy Bears wouldn’t hire in the past cause he is going to put up with no nonsense. 
 

Wildcard - Gruden / Shanny / McDaniel / Browns HC. 

 

I think Halas would hire Vrabel. And if he cant do better, you can always keep Thomas Brown as OC, and groom someone under him as one option for continuity. If there's a better choice out there, then so much the better.

Shanny is a good name if he comes free.

I'm still scared of Johnson and Kingsbury. I see the talent at OC, but I have concerns.

I'm still keeping an open mind at this point, maybe as I learn more I'll get an opinion.

[BearFan PHX]

OK, so just look at a few minutes of this. he's not an offensive guy, but this is what we need isnt it?
 

 

[Stinger226]

20 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

The coach sets the overall personality of the team, until player leaders emerge.  That being said, coaches can kill teams by expecting personas that are against the nature of individuals. 

I remember Eberflus not wanting foul language on Hard Knocks.  Are you thinking about playing football or the camera?  I also remember Eberflus going the extra mile insisting his players not get into a fight during joint practices.  In their world, not fighting back makes you a punk ass bitch.(Verbatim) 

I can't remember how many times I've heard accomplished coaches say that a good camp fight is a good thing.  A recent example leads me to the Trevor Lawrence hit.  If his OL doesn't come to defend him, what does that say?  Damn the penalty.  Don't F with my quarterback!

When Dan Campbell got the job in Detroit he said ("We're gonna kick you in the teeth, and when you punch us back we're gonna smile at you, and when you knock us down we're going to get up, and on the way, we're going to bite a kneecap off. We're going to stand up, and it's going to take two more shots to knock us down. And on the way up, we're going to take your other kneecap, and we're going to get up, and it's gonna take three shots to get us down. And when we do, we're gonna take another hunk out of you.")

Media was laughing at him for his neanderthal comments. Now look at him. Toughness counts, part of the reason Flus got the job with the HITS principal but he didnt back it up.

What I see  ouythere that would do that is Vrabel and Bilicheck, Bills not coming here.

[Stinger226]

5 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

 

I think Halas would hire Vrabel. And if he cant do better, you can always keep Thomas Brown as OC, and groom someone under him as one option for continuity. If there's a better choice out there, then so much the better.

Shanny is a good name if he comes free.

I'm still scared of Johnson and Kingsbury. I see the talent at OC, but I have concerns.

I'm still keeping an open mind at this point, maybe as I learn more I'll get an opinion.

Agree ,questions with the OCs that have never been HC before. Vrabel will punch you in the mouth, experience and have had success, what he didnt have was the QB.

[Stinger226]

8 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

I don’t want some 10 person search. Due your diligenc3 over next few weeks and narrow it down to 4-5 candidates. No more than that. My no doubt four candidates are outlined below. Brown could fall off the list if the rest of this season is a total dumpster fire.
 

Brown - If he does well, by all means

Ben Johnson - Would think he is the front runner.

Kingsbury - Smart and great work with Daniel’s. Question is what did he learn from his first stint failures. Knows Caleb well. 

Vrabel - My personal choice. If Bears don’t interview him it will send off a signal to me that they aren’t taking it serious. He is a hard ass - but demands respect and did excellent with a meh qb in Tannehill. Had identified Arthur Smith and generally seems to know how to find good coordinators. He is my top choice, but he is the exact guy Bears wouldn’t hire in the past cause he is going to put up with no nonsense. 
 

Wildcard - Gruden / Shanny / McDaniel / Browns HC. 

If Brown wins more than he loses, he may just be given the job. Look at salary, problably the cheapest option of which George will look at. 

MY CHOICES: Vrabel-Gruden- Brown          Does Johnson have the smack in the mouth persona? I dont know