Week 14 Official Game Thread - CHI @ SF, SUN, 12/8, 3:25PM, FOX, SF -3.5, O/U 44.5

[50england50]

I don't know why we are focusing on Edwards’ play when we have have done next to nothing on offense and they haven't done nothing to help the defense. Am I right this is the 2nd blank on the first half this year. 

[BearFan PHX]

Mike Vrabel, Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh have all been available, or are available now. Perhaps there are other names we could trade for too.

Right now we are totally outclassed.

Also, it's painfully obvious we need a new OL, and more on the DL.

This is nowhere near acceptable right now. Trying to salvage a coaching staff out of what we already have is complete malpractice. All the puff articles in the world are instantly contradicted by seeing what we look like on the field next to a real coaching staff. This isnt just about the players trying harder. Until the coaching is right, it's fighting uphill in a way that makes something that's already hard close to impossible.

[Mongo3451]

31 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Also, it's painfully obvious we need a new OL, and more on the DL.

Ifedi is starting at left tackle, Patrick is starting at center, Daniels starting at guard, Whitehair starting and Mustipher is getting playing time.  It's crazy Poles refused to pay Daniels as a 24 year free agent, in favor of the hated Nate Davis.

I'm starting to think it's us...

[BearFan PHX]

21 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Ifedi is starting at left tackle, Patrick is starting at center, Daniels starting at guard, Whitehair starting and Mustipher is getting playing time.  It's crazy Poles refused to pay Daniels as a 24 year free agent, in favor of the hated Nate Davis.

I'm starting to think it's us...

it IS - it's Chris Morgan making everyone look terrible.

And then again, some really are just terrible LOL

ALso did you see that extra point just now int he 4th qtr? It was almost blocked from the SAME gap. We dont learn.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, 50england50 said:

I don't know why we are focusing on Edwards’ play when we have have done next to nothing on offense and they haven't done nothing to help the defense. Am I right this is the 2nd blank on the first half this year. 

Because he makes me want to vomit.  Haven't we abused the OL enough?  Lord knows the other team has...🤣

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Is there a way to have Brown go back to the box for the next game?  He seemed to have a better control of the offense while up there.  The offense really crapped the bed today.  There were at least three significant drops by three different receivers early in the game; Moore, Allen and the Kmet on the 2 pt try.  Odunze seemed to be the only one able to catch and both his TDs were not easy catches. 

[ChileBear]

8 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:

Is there a way to have Brown go back to the box for the next game?  He seemed to have a better control of the offense while up there.  The offense really crapped the bed today.  There were at least three significant drops by three different receivers early in the game; Moore, Allen and the Kmet on the 2 pt try.  Odunze seemed to be the only one able to catch and both his TDs were not easy catches. 

Waddle a Silvey talked about this today pre-game. Brown prefers to be on the field and not in the box upstairs. I think the whole team crapped the bed and I am convinced that they aren't going to rally round any coach this season. Brown is not our coach of the future,

[BearFan PHX]

I think the players were absolutely rallying. i think they just couldn't make it work.

We need more talent on the OL and DL, and our coaches didn't give us an active edge in winning.

So do the players like Brown? I think they do. Does he have their respect, at least right now? I think again yes.

But Brown didnt find any easy weaknesses against the Niners today. We got completely out-coached by a real coach.

Our DC Williams and his defense were chasing shadows all day too. They pinned their ears back and got screened, they blitzed and got in too late. Everything they did, Shanahan was waiting for it and used it against us with coaching jujitsu.

We need to stop being silly and falling love with the smell of our own farts. There are good coaches out there. Proven winners. They might clash with Warren though, and McCaskey needs to be the big dog in the room. And he's a very small dog. So we hire these losers like Nagy, Getsy, Waldron and Eberflus.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Welp, I'm pretty much checked out until they mess up the next head coach hire. I will make myself believe in them at first after the hire, but they will screw this up too.  

[adam]

Well that game was on Poles. This is the 4-9 team he built in his 3rd year as GM. Edmunds is a terrible and overpaid MLB. Almost every other player is overrated. Braxton Jones is not a starting LT. Wright over Jalen Carter looks worse every day. I am glad he used his first two draft picks on a Nickelback and Safety. That sure is paying dividends. The list goes on and on. He lucked into the CAR trade and that is the only thing saving him from not having the worst team in the NFL in his 3rd year. SF had their 5th string RB score a TD. 

[Mongo3451]

11 minutes ago, adam said:

Well that game was on Poles. This is the 4-9 team he built in his 3rd year as GM. Edmunds is a terrible and overpaid MLB. Almost every other player is overrated. Braxton Jones is not a starting LT. Wright over Jalen Carter looks worse every day. I am glad he used his first two draft picks on a Nickelback and Safety. That sure is paying dividends. The list goes on and on. He lucked into the CAR trade and that is the only thing saving him from not having the worst team in the NFL in his 3rd year. SF had their 5th string RB score a TD. 

Yup.  I'm out on him.  OL and DL are the foundation of a rebuild and after year three they are two worst units.  Fail.  He's a nice guy and checks the diversity box, so the McCaskey's will probably demand he stays.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

13 minutes ago, adam said:

Well that game was on Poles. This is the 4-9 team he built in his 3rd year as GM. Edmunds is a terrible and overpaid MLB. Almost every other player is overrated. Braxton Jones is not a starting LT. Wright over Jalen Carter looks worse every day. I am glad he used his first two draft picks on a Nickelback and Safety. That sure is paying dividends. The list goes on and on. He lucked into the CAR trade and that is the only thing saving him from not having the worst team in the NFL in his 3rd year. SF had their 5th string RB score a TD. 

Good thing we needed a 4th round punter to help us pin teams at the goal line.  

[adam]

39 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Good thing we needed a 4th round punter to help us pin teams at the goal line.  

His 2nd punter he drafted in 3 years. Great use of draft capital. Auto draft using a big board with BPA picks would've yielded a better team after 3 years.

[AZ54]

57 minutes ago, adam said:

His 2nd punter he drafted in 3 years. Great use of draft capital. Auto draft using a big board with BPA picks would've yielded a better team after 3 years.

That's a good one.  

These coaches we have now are completely incapable of being more than position coaches.  Thomas Brown I think will one day be a good coordinator and maybe even a head coach further down the road.  Picking up this entire team mid-season he's in over his head.  Usually in these games I'm looking for a spark from one young player and for the rest of the year that can only come from Caleb.   I don't know the status of Amegadjie but I'd like to see him out there too and putting Bill Murray on IR was another disappointment because I was really curious what he could do with more experience.  

[DABEARSDABOMB]

31 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

That's a good one.  

These coaches we have now are completely incapable of being more than position coaches.  Thomas Brown I think will one day be a good coordinator and maybe even a head coach further down the road.  Picking up this entire team mid-season he's in over his head.  Usually in these games I'm looking for a spark from one young player and for the rest of the year that can only come from Caleb.   I don't know the status of Amegadjie but I'd like to see him out there too and putting Bill Murray on IR was another disappointment because I was really curious what he could do with more experience.  

I think he is in an impossible position. Flus had put together a staff with little depth and Brown was able to step up but having him be this much up leaves everything else barren. 

[BearFan PHX]

Bears: wow, we have a guy doing a decent job with the offense for three weeks

Also Bears: Quick make him head coach so he can't sustain it.
 

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Yup.  I'm out on him.  OL and DL are the foundation of a rebuild and after year three they are two worst units.  Fail.  He's a nice guy and checks the diversity box, so the McCaskey's will probably demand he stays.

It is SO frustrating.

[jason]

3 hours ago, adam said:

His 2nd punter he drafted in 3 years. Great use of draft capital. Auto draft using a big board with BPA picks would've yielded a better team after 3 years.

That’s why I’ve been saying for nearly two decades that fans, particularly hardcore fans, would do better in a draft than the Bears front office and coaches.
 

Then year after year several retort, “No you wouldn’t! You don’t know what they know!” And then 3,4.5 years later, the team still sucks, the draft picks haven’t panned out, and people continue to hold the line on the side of the team.

its time to face facts: fans could have drafted better teams over the past 20 years or so.

[BearFan PHX]

44 minutes ago, jason said:

That’s why I’ve been saying for nearly two decades that fans, particularly hardcore fans, would do better in a draft than the Bears front office and coaches.
 

Then year after year several retort, “No you wouldn’t! You don’t know what they know!” And then 3,4.5 years later, the team still sucks, the draft picks haven’t panned out, and people continue to hold the line on the side of the team.

its time to face facts: fans could have drafted better teams over the past 20 years or so.

I was a major "no we wouldnt, we dont know what they know" guy, and I have to admit it. Youre right.

It SHOULDN'T be that way. They SHOULD have more info than we do, and they should outpick us. But they don't.

Maybe we are smart. Maybe they are dumb. Maybe the McCaskeys hire morons because they look for beta guys that don't threaten them. I don't know what it is.

But on the good teams in this league, the GMs should know more than we do, and do better than we do. But I gotta admit you're right. We have absolutely sucked at picking players, and I believe there are several people on this board who could have done better. And probably some who would have done worse too LOL

But this has been a long simmering debate, and I'm going to call it, and say it clearly - you were right.

[BearFan PHX]

Also this:

"It's time to have that uncomfortable Ryan Poles conversation"

"the Bears may have to accept that Poles is the worst kind of GM: okay, but not good enough. Those guys tend to keep their jobs way longer than they should. Despite what Warren said, they need to seriously discuss wiping the entire slate clean next month."

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/its-time-to-have-that-uncomfortable-ryan-poles-conversation/
 

[adam]

The way the defense looked, one other thing is apparent. Washington as a coordinator sucks too. Too many guys way out of position.

 

[Stinger226]

14 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

The defense misses Flus.

That is very clear. Bad mouth Flus all you want for being a HC but he was good as a D playcaller. 

[adam]

Cole Kmet did not have a target yesterday. That is only the 2nd game in his career where he did not receive a single target. 

[Lucky Luciano]

does this sound FAMILIAR?

"However, a new wrinkle emerged recently via David Kaplan o ESPN 1000. It was all but confirmed that Poles and Eberflus were an arranged marriage. Team chairman George McCaskey had a short list of names he liked and allowed Poles to choose from it. He chose Eberflus. Another top Bears insider has since backed this up. Bill Zimmerman of Windy City Gridiron revealed that the Eberflus hire was almost exclusively spearheaded by McCasky and advisor Bill Polian. Poles merely had the illusion of choice."

"This was a hire that was doomed from the start. The Bill Polian GM and Head Coach search was always flawed. Don't pin this hire on Ryan Poles. If you want to criticize him for the Mat Eberflus hire.That was not him. That was Bill Polian and George McCaskey. Sure, Ryan Poles gave it a rubber stamp, but what was he supposed to do? Pound the table for Jim Caldwell? The list of finalists was poor and when you pick from a bad list, you'll end up with a bad coach."

Eric Lambert - Sports Mockery
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/another-bears-insider-confirms-growing-ryan-poles-buzz/

if this article is true it's the same ole same ole BS. the dumbest owners in the history of ANY  professional sports franchise weighs in yet again.

also if true, how does bill polian keep making garbage choices for this franchise? how many of his GENIUS picks have been even close to being even good let alone great??

it's like polian really hates the mccaskey's and the chicago bears and just keeps sticking knives into this franchise and has for decades. i wouldn't hire polian to pick a pop warner coach if there was only one candidate in a one team league.

[Stinger226]

Eric Lambert is the biggest storyteller on the Bears beat, i dont believe anything he posts. If you go by the timeline, it suggests Poles didnt get to look for the coach , it got dumbed in his lap. You dont make waves the first day you walk in the door. 

36 minutes ago, Lucky Luciano said:

does this sound FAMILIAR?

"However, a new wrinkle emerged recently via David Kaplan o ESPN 1000. It was all but confirmed that Poles and Eberflus were an arranged marriage. Team chairman George McCaskey had a short list of names he liked and allowed Poles to choose from it. He chose Eberflus. Another top Bears insider has since backed this up. Bill Zimmerman of Windy City Gridiron revealed that the Eberflus hire was almost exclusively spearheaded by McCasky and advisor Bill Polian. Poles merely had the illusion of choice."

"This was a hire that was doomed from the start. The Bill Polian GM and Head Coach search was always flawed. Don't pin this hire on Ryan Poles. If you want to criticize him for the Mat Eberflus hire.That was not him. That was Bill Polian and George McCaskey. Sure, Ryan Poles gave it a rubber stamp, but what was he supposed to do? Pound the table for Jim Caldwell? The list of finalists was poor and when you pick from a bad list, you'll end up with a bad coach."

Eric Lambert - Sports Mockery
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/another-bears-insider-confirms-growing-ryan-poles-buzz/

if this article is true it's the same ole same ole BS. the dumbest owners in the history of ANY  professional sports franchise weighs in yet again.

also if true, how does bill polian keep making garbage choices for this franchise? how many of his GENIUS picks have been even close to being even good let alone great??

it's like polian really hates the mccaskey's and the chicago bears and just keeps sticking knives into this franchise and has for decades. i wouldn't hire polian to pick a pop warner coach if there was only one candidate in a one team league.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

2 hours ago, adam said:

Cole Kmet did not have a target yesterday. That is only the 2nd game in his career where he did not receive a single target. 

Pretty sure he dropped the first 2pt conversion attempt.