PFF Grades

[adam]

I know these can be taken with a grain of salt, but there are some good stats in there beyond the grades. Some of the grades actually pass the eye test.

I find it interesting that the top 3 offensive players in PFF for the Bears are on the OL, Wright, Jones, and Jenkins, and all the OL are higher than Williams, Kmet, Odunze, Allen, and Swift. The only offensive skill players higher than Shelton and Pryor are Moore and Roschon. 

The good thing is the worst starter, (according to PFF), is Swift at a 62.0, which means every starter is above average (60.0). 

The worst players with over 100 snaps are: Lewis - 43.3, Everett - 45.3, and Borom - 49.3 which passes the eye test.

On defense, the top player with over 100 snaps is Terell Smith (79.1), which makes it even more baffling why they keep running Stevenson out there. The biggest surprise for me is the fall off of Jaylon Johnson; he has fallen off a cliff during this losing streak and is now 8th on defense, falling all the way from 1st. The pleasant surprises are Byard (79.0) who has been a massive upgrade from Jackson, and Dexter (71.4). 

There are 3 starters on defense below the Mendoza Line, Stevenson - 57.7 (I am surprised he graded that high), Edmunds - 57.2 (feels about right, not enough impact plays), and Taylor - 56.1. Pickens is the only defender below 50 with over 100 snaps at 49.9. 

Using 60 as the metric, here are the number of snaps, by position, for players with a grade below 60:

CB - 642 (Stevenson)
LB - 740 (Edmunds)
ED - 490
TE - 378
DT - 340
G - 218
T - 218
WR - 157

Taking it down to 50, these would be the critical upgrade areas:

TE - 378 (Lewis/Everett)
T - 218 (Borom)
DT - 130 (Pickens/Williams)
G - 76 (Kramer)
LB  - 5
WR - 5

TE2 has really been a black hole for the Bears this year. 

For an overall team grade, the Bears are 19th with a 77.3, the best 4-win team and better than WAS, DAL, and MIA, all who have better records than the Bears. They are also only 0.5 lower than GB. Coaching matters.

[Stinger226]

[BearFan PHX]

This is just how insane PFF is. They claim ZERO pressures on Braxton Jones?

Now watch only the last drive of the Lions game. On almost every play Braxton has been driven back to be right next to Caleb. There was other chaos going on too, so maybe they said someone else gave up the hurry on that play. But no way Braxton kept the pocket or allowed Williams room to not feel pressured.

Remember the one that would have won the game with Moore ont he crosser and Caleb threw it to his feet? Why did that happen? Because Caleb was being pressured. And one of the players pressuring Caleb was the guy Jones was trying to block.

You could realistically give Jones 3 or 4 pressures on that drive alone.

PFF is just silly. I understand the seduction because it feels like  stat but it isn't - it's random nonsense!

That was my anti PFF rant of the day LOL

You have to click "watch on youtube" to see this one...
 

 

[Stinger226]

12 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

This is just how insane PFF is. They claim ZERO pressures on Braxton Jones?

Now watch only the last drive of the Lions game. On almost every play Braxton has been driven back to be right next to Caleb. There was other chaos going on too, so maybe they said someone else gave up the hurry on that play. But no way Braxton kept the pocket or allowed Williams room to not feel pressured.

Remember the one that would have won the game with Moore ont he crosser and Caleb threw it to his feet? Why did that happen? Because Caleb was being pressured. And one of the players pressuring Caleb was the guy Jones was trying to block.

You could realistically give Jones 3 or 4 pressures on that drive alone.

PFF is just silly. I understand the seduction because it feels like  stat but it isn't - it's random nonsense!

That was my anti PFF rant of the day LOL

You have to click "watch on youtube" to see this one...
 

 

I understand your take on PFF, a very flawed system but the most complete place to compare players. Trent Williams is the best LT, but has a ton of penalties, that counts. What PFF tells me is the OTs are at least average OTs in the league. Our main problem is IOL, do you agree? 

[Lucky Luciano]

13 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

This is just how insane PFF is. They claim ZERO pressures on Braxton Jones?
 

 

totally agree. you can watch almost ANY game this season and right off the snap he is being walked back right into the qb. not just once or twice but nearly always.

what he truly EXCELS at is helping the qb off the ground after he is knocked down by the man he is supposed to block. if that were a requisite for the HOF he would be in on the first ballot.

[Lucky Luciano]

just for curiosities sake, could braxton jones play guard without getting blown up? it's a whole different type of position. if he COULD play guard that would work out pretty well and then be a backup tackle if needed.

what does anybody think?

[adam]

1 hour ago, Lucky Luciano said:

just for curiosities sake, could braxton jones play guard without getting blown up? it's a whole different type of position. if he COULD play guard that would work out pretty well and then be a backup tackle if needed.

what does anybody think?

He just needs to get stronger and be able to take on a bull rush. 

[Lucky Luciano]

1 hour ago, adam said:

He just needs to get stronger and be able to take on a bull rush. 

if that hasn't already happened at this point in his career what are the chances of it in the future? would a  position at guard be a better match to his skill set do you think? he wouldn't have to move as much to make blocks as he would at the tackle position against the best/quickest d linemen. less chance for DL to get under his pads?

If not then a swing tackle at best.

[Mongo3451]

2 hours ago, Lucky Luciano said:

just for curiosities sake, could braxton jones play guard without getting blown up? it's a whole different type of position. if he COULD play guard that would work out pretty well and then be a backup tackle if needed.

what does anybody think?

Yes.  I even posted it on another thread.  Pass sets are completely different for guards and OT.  The hardest thing an OT does is to anchor after contact.  Does the DE dip, rip, spin, swim or bullrush?  When you remove the dip and spin with DT, it's just square up and anchor.  That's why GM's draft OT's higher, because they usually can successfully transition to guard if they fail at OT.  Draft a pure LOT highly.  When he beats Braxton out, he can compete at OG to be a starter and swing tackle.  Same Kiran.

[Lucky Luciano]

22 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Yes.  I even posted it on another thread.  Pass sets are completely different for guards and OT.  The hardest thing an OT does is to anchor after contact.  Does the DE dip, rip, spin, swim or bullrush?  When you remove the dip and spin with DT, it's just square up and anchor.  That's why GM's draft OT's higher, because they usually can successfully transition to guard if they fail at OT.  Draft a pure LOT highly.  When he beats Braxton out, he can compete at OG to be a starter and swing tackle.  Same Kiran.

if he could be an above average guard that would be big for our draft and free agency off season. if he can't play guard then cut him next season.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

I feel different about his abilities to play guard since that is the type of rush he struggles the most with is .  He is under contract for one more year, leave him as LT/Swing.  If a stud LT is available RD1, take him.  If not Kiran can compete for LT or move to G.

[Stinger226]

24 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I feel different about his abilities to play guard since that is the type of rush he struggles the most with is .  He is under contract for one more year, leave him as LT/Swing.  If a stud LT is available RD1, take him.  If not Kiran can compete for LT or move to G.

This     I will say he is a good run blocker, if Poles has him in the mix for several positions, let the best man win. He justs needs to bring in competition at several spots. 3 draft picks and Trey Smith.