Report:: Warren said no to Harbaugh

[BearFan PHX]

Yikes.

If this is true, then he is just Ted Phillips in disguise.

Why is our team always held hostage to non football corporate guys?!!

I could imagine Ryan poles quitting and giving a press conference saying that they arent letting him make his decisions, and that he didnt want Eberflus back, and he didnt want Waldron, and they forced Flus on him int he first place, that the Bears are broken, and no one should want to work there as GM as long as ownership isnt letting GMs do their job.

Who does Warren think he is? Now I REALLY dont know what to think of Poles. Was it Poles, was it Warren, was is McCaskey?
 

 

[Mongo3451]

Let's play chicken and egg.  The unverified reports say Poles wanted to fire Flus at the end of last season, but the McCaskey's said no.  Now, the same reports are saying Warren made the call on Harbaugh.  Since it's really Poles who should be hiring and firing coaches, do we blame the new scapegoat or the old villains for the latest scrambled egg? 

What we do know is that it took a meeting with George and Kevin before Ryan could do his job.  What we also know is that Jim Harbaugh wanted to come here.  The "they didn't want me" quote is seared into my brain as a reminder of the ineptitude of the McCaskey family. 

I'm thoroughly convinced they are in it for the money at the expense of winning.  I'm not buying any more Bear wear and am considering other actions. 

At the end of today we have a GM that's powerless, a president with no plan for a stadium, yet is going to take his valuable time to find the next coach.(He was basketball guy). Lastly, we a 103 year old matriarch pulling the shorthairs of her moron son.  I'm beginning to despise this franchise.  

What would y'all think about constructing a letter to the family from our site?  We could use our membership numbers as something that may carry some weight.  Or at the least, they may actually read it.

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Let's play chicken and egg.  The unverified reports say Poles wanted to fire Flus at the end of last season, but the McCaskey's said no.  Now, the same reports are saying Warren made the call on Harbaugh.  Since it's really Poles who should be hiring and firing coaches, do we blame the new scapegoat or the old villains for the latest scrambled egg? 

What we do know is that it took a meeting with George and Kevin before Ryan could do his job.  What we also know is that Jim Harbaugh wanted to come here.  The "they didn't want me" quote is seared into my brain as a reminder of the ineptitude of the McCaskey family. 

I'm thoroughly convinced they are in it for the money at the expense of winning.  I'm not buying any more Bear wear and am considering other actions. 

At the end of today we have a GM that's powerless, a president with no plan for a stadium, yet is going to take his valuable time to find the next coach.(He was basketball guy). Lastly, we a 103 year old matriarch pulling the shorthairs of her moron son.  I'm beginning to despise this franchise.  

What would y'all think about constructing a letter to the family from our site?  We could use our membership numbers as something that may carry some weight.  Or at the least, they may actually read it.

you nailed it. it's so frustrating.

I dunno what the letter would do. Theyre gonna sell when they think it's best for them, and until then, theyre gonna keep meddling.

I either feel bad for Poles, or I think he's really bad at his job. And I don't know which it is.

[AZ54]

I'm not surprised about Warren saying no to Harbaugh after he had to deal with him and a lengthy investigation into his years-long sign stealing issues.  As great a football coach as Jim Harbaugh is, I too don't like his circus act.  I believe there are other good football coaches...go get one.  

I'm more frustrated over the fact today they reported Flus was McCaskey's choice and Poles had to "accept" that.   If it is also true that Poles wanted to fire Flus last year and was told "no" then we have a much more serious issue as illustrated in the above posts.  Was Poles also told to let Flus hire his OC candidate and give him one more shot?  Thus we ended up with Waldron while Poles wanted Brown?  

The only good thing about all this is that it gives me more confidence that Poles does in fact know what the team needs in a HC.  I wasn't that confident prior to today.    Add in that he was able to convince the McCaskey's to fire Flus mid-season and it leads me to think he's going to get more leeway to make his choice.  This also could explain why Poles was so reserved during the post-firing press conference where he seemed to be biting his tongue more often than not.   Either that or he's being totally cast aside and this HC decision is not his to make.  If that were true I'd expect him to resign.  

 

[BearFan PHX]

6 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

I'm not surprised about Warren saying no to Harbaugh after he had to deal with him and a lengthy investigation into his years-long sign stealing issues.  As great a football coach as Jim Harbaugh is, I too don't like his circus act.  I believe there are other good football coaches...go get one.  

I'm more frustrated over the fact today they reported Flus was McCaskey's choice and Poles had to "accept" that.   If it is also true that Poles wanted to fire Flus last year and was told "no" then we have a much more serious issue as illustrated in the above posts.  Was Poles also told to let Flus hire his OC candidate and give him one more shot?  Thus we ended up with Waldron while Poles wanted Brown?  

The only good thing about all this is that it gives me more confidence that Poles does in fact know what the team needs in a HC.  I wasn't that confident prior to today.    Add in that he was able to convince the McCaskey's to fire Flus mid-season and it leads me to think he's going to get more leeway to make his choice.  This also could explain why Poles was so reserved during the post-firing press conference where he seemed to be biting his tongue more often than not.   Either that or he's being totally cast aside and this HC decision is not his to make.  If that were true I'd expect him to resign.  

 

yeah I suppose the upside of McCaskey peeing all over these previous choices is that Poles wasnt responsible for them. Doesnt mean he is good at picking coaches, but it would definitely mean that i have no evidence that he is bad at it either.

This team is such a mess. I hope they make the right choice for the next head coach.

Also, I just heard Pat McAfee reporting that some NFL guy at the combine thought that Vrabel was too intimidating physically for some teams to consider hiring. LOL

Man what is football ABOUT then?

It's a weird time.

[Stinger226]

7 hours ago, AZ54 said:

I'm not surprised about Warren saying no to Harbaugh after he had to deal with him and a lengthy investigation into his years-long sign stealing issues.  As great a football coach as Jim Harbaugh is, I too don't like his circus act.  I believe there are other good football coaches...go get one.  

I'm more frustrated over the fact today they reported Flus was McCaskey's choice and Poles had to "accept" that.   If it is also true that Poles wanted to fire Flus last year and was told "no" then we have a much more serious issue as illustrated in the above posts.  Was Poles also told to let Flus hire his OC candidate and give him one more shot?  Thus we ended up with Waldron while Poles wanted Brown?  

The only good thing about all this is that it gives me more confidence that Poles does in fact know what the team needs in a HC.  I wasn't that confident prior to today.    Add in that he was able to convince the McCaskey's to fire Flus mid-season and it leads me to think he's going to get more leeway to make his choice.  This also could explain why Poles was so reserved during the post-firing press conference where he seemed to be biting his tongue more often than not.   Either that or he's being totally cast aside and this HC decision is not his to make.  If that were true I'd expect him to resign.  

 

Poles took a GM job with the parameter of he had bosses that interject into his job. There is enough noise to suspect some of it is true. I think he is a smart man and will try to overcome something he has no control over. Until ownership changes we cant do anything about interference from the owners. We can just hope Poles gets what he wants. Why would any of that change if we hired all new people? Its best to roll with a GM that had made positive effects on the roster and cap space. 

[Mongo3451]

8 hours ago, AZ54 said:

This also could explain why Poles was so reserved during the post-firing press conference where he seemed to be biting his tongue more often than not.   Either that or he's being totally cast aside and this HC decision is not his to make.  If that were true I'd expect him to resign.  

Warren has already stated that he will personally oversee the hiring of the next HC.  Poles to assist.

[adam]

3 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Warren has already stated that he will personally oversee the hiring of the next HC.  Poles to assist.

I thought Warren literally said in the presser that Poles was the "Point Man" on the HC hire?

[Mongo3451]

6 minutes ago, adam said:

I thought Warren literally said in the presser that Poles was the "Point Man" on the HC hire?

Running point is just a dog sniffing for game birds.  The guy with the gun does the shooting and eating.

[Lucky Luciano]

15 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Let's play chicken and egg.  The unverified reports say Poles wanted to fire Flus at the end of last season, but the McCaskey's said no.  Now, the same reports are saying Warren made the call on Harbaugh.  Since it's really Poles who should be hiring and firing coaches, do we blame the new scapegoat or the old villains for the latest scrambled egg? 

What we do know is that it took a meeting with George and Kevin before Ryan could do his job.  What we also know is that Jim Harbaugh wanted to come here.  The "they didn't want me" quote is seared into my brain as a reminder of the ineptitude of the McCaskey family. 

I'm thoroughly convinced they are in it for the money at the expense of winning.  I'm not buying any more Bear wear and am considering other actions. 

At the end of today we have a GM that's powerless, a president with no plan for a stadium, yet is going to take his valuable time to find the next coach.(He was basketball guy). Lastly, we a 103 year old matriarch pulling the shorthairs of her moron son.  I'm beginning to despise this franchise.  

What would y'all think about constructing a letter to the family from our site?  We could use our membership numbers as something that may carry some weight.  Or at the least, they may actually read it.

if all this is remotely true (and i would not doubt it) it's the same crap that has gone on from this family owned franchise at LEAST since 1980 (finks leaving and muggs halas dying). this family who have been owners of this franchise for over a hundred years know absolutely NOTHING about how to run and manage a professional football team.

it's the same shite year after year after year. they just can't keep from sticking their fat, dirty, greasy fingers into the pie in some way or another. it's almost hard to believe how little these people understand anything sports related except how to milk money out of this franchise at the players and fans expense. mike mccaskey gone? nope just another halfwit named mccasky running this franchise into the ground with childish, stupid, bass ackward decisions.

[Daventry]

16 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Let's play chicken and egg.  The unverified reports say Poles wanted to fire Flus at the end of last season, but the McCaskey's said no.  Now, the same reports are saying Warren made the call on Harbaugh.  Since it's really Poles who should be hiring and firing coaches, do we blame the new scapegoat or the old villains for the latest scrambled egg? 

What we do know is that it took a meeting with George and Kevin before Ryan could do his job.  What we also know is that Jim Harbaugh wanted to come here.  The "they didn't want me" quote is seared into my brain as a reminder of the ineptitude of the McCaskey family. 

I'm thoroughly convinced they are in it for the money at the expense of winning.  I'm not buying any more Bear wear and am considering other actions. 

At the end of today we have a GM that's powerless, a president with no plan for a stadium, yet is going to take his valuable time to find the next coach.(He was basketball guy). Lastly, we a 103 year old matriarch pulling the shorthairs of her moron son.  I'm beginning to despise this franchise.  

What would y'all think about constructing a letter to the family from our site?  We could use our membership numbers as something that may carry some weight.  Or at the least, they may actually read it.

I would be up for that, my main frustration is that we seem hamstrung by the owners.  Maybe Bezos will buy the team.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, Lucky Luciano said:

if all this is remotely true (and i would not doubt it) it's the same crap that has gone on from this family owned franchise at LEAST since 1980 (finks leaving and muggs halas dying). this family who have been owners of this franchise for over a hundred years know absolutely NOTHING about how to run and manage a professional football team.

it's the same shite year after year after year. they just can't keep from sticking their fat, dirty, greasy fingers into the pie in some way or another. it's almost hard to believe how little these people understand anything sports related except how to milk money out of this franchise at the players and fans expense. mike mccaskey gone? nope just another halfwit named mccasky running this franchise into the ground with childish, stupid, bass ackward decisions.

💯. As I get older, it gets harder and harder to root for them.

[Stinger226]

Poles has much more experience with the interworking of the footbsll side than Warren. Warren is a lawyer by trade and built a stadium, he didnt all of a sudden become a football survant. That would be like turning the coach search  over to George, just a business CEO, of which probably has final say anyways and why everything is always failing. 

[Daventry]

On 12/6/2024 at 5:30 PM, Mongo3451 said:

💯. As I get older, it gets harder and harder to root for them.

I feel exactly the same.  I get some really bad vibes with the limited information available about the owners, eg they seem to be at the forefront of the woke agenda, seem to only hire vanilla people, and have been at the helm with some really poor years and still make money.  I hope they sell so badly, I would prefer Pee Wee Herman as the owner to the beige politically correct current regime.

[BearFan PHX]

13 minutes ago, Daventry said:

I feel exactly the same.  I get some really bad vibes with the limited information available about the owners, eg they seem to be at the forefront of the woke agenda, seem to only hire vanilla people, and have been at the helm with some really poor years and still make money.  I hope they sell so badly, I would prefer Pee Wee Herman as the owner to the beige politically correct current regime.

totally agree.

sheep running a football team is a bad way to proceed.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

40 minutes ago, Daventry said:

I feel exactly the same.  I get some really bad vibes with the limited information available about the owners, eg they seem to be at the forefront of the woke agenda, seem to only hire vanilla people, and have been at the helm with some really poor years and still make money.  I hope they sell so badly, I would prefer Pee Wee Herman as the owner to the beige politically correct current regime.

I don't view them as being woke or politically correct, but finding people that will abide to their restrictions. Every team has it, but the McCaskeys tend to  want that good boy image.  They need to open up a little and let the people they hire run the operations without their consent.  You can report to them, but no feedback required.

[BearFan PHX]

I've seen a bunch of different articles about them being woke. I cant find any right now unfortunately. However, they hired Poles and Eberflus with a panel that included McCaskey, Ted Phillips, Bill Polian, Soup Campbell and Tanesha Wade, who is the team's DEI director.

But my problem with it isn't so much that's it's politically left or right, but any time you left some outside idea take momentum from the main goal which needs to be winning, then youre putting yourself at a disadvantage in a league that's already really hard to win in.

Whether it be political (on either side) or about being religious (going to church with the McCaskeys) or even if it's just about being a boy scout - all these external concerns muddy the waters for finding winners.

Pat McAfee was reporting the other day that some NFL insider told him that some teams (not necessarily the Bears!) are afraid to hire Mike Vrabel because he is so physically imposing! What?! Being a major alpha is a problem in football?!

When we get to the point that owners are afraid to put their most potent options in charge because it is more important that they dominate their coach rather than that the coach dominates the league, then you have real problems.

 

[Daventry]

1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I don't view them as being woke or politically correct, but finding people that will abide to their restrictions. Every team has it, but the McCaskeys tend to  want that good boy image.  They need to open up a little and let the people they hire run the operations without their consent.  You can report to them, but no feedback required.

I suppose I don’t have any concrete evidence of wokeness per se, although I certainly noticed the preponderance of blm/anti-racism propaganda on their media when all of that erupted, and noticed the rainbow stuff on their media until I unsubscribed from their page.  I also remember getting rid of the much loved honey bears.  They are obviously doing something wrong, the buck stops with them.  The one constant over the last decades of failure is the McCaskeys.  What a great day it would be to see them sell the team.

[Daventry]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

I've seen a bunch of different articles about them being woke. I cant find any right now unfortunately. However, they hired Poles and Eberflus with a panel that included McCaskey, Ted Phillips, Bill Polian, Soup Campbell and Tanesha Wade, who is the team's DEI director.

But my problem with it isn't so much that's it's politically left or right, but any time you left some outside idea take momentum from the main goal which needs to be winning, then youre putting yourself at a disadvantage in a league that's already really hard to win in.

Whether it be political (on either side) or about being religious (going to church with the McCaskeys) or even if it's just about being a boy scout - all these external concerns muddy the waters for finding winners.

Pat McAfee was reporting the other day that some NFL insider told him that some teams (not necessarily the Bears!) are afraid to hire Mike Vrabel because he is so physically imposing! What?! Being a major alpha is a problem in football?!

When we get to the point that owners are afraid to put their most potent options in charge because it is more important that they dominate their coach rather than that the coach dominates the league, then you have real problems.

 

The essence of the problem is ideology that hinders winning seems to be occurring.  How does Green Bay manage to be good consistently?  Meanwhile, the Chicago Bears are consistently poor?  Look at the market share difference.  The Bears organisation has been terrible for a long time.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Daventry said:

The essence of the problem is ideology that hinders winning seems to be occurring.  How does Green Bay manage to be good consistently?  Meanwhile, the Chicago Bears are consistently poor?  Look at the market share difference.  The Bears organisation has been terrible for a long time.

right, and it doesnt matter what the ideology is, whether i disagree with it, or wholly embrace it, it still gets in the way of football.

For example, i hated the players kneeling for the national anthem, but I wouldn't care if it was for BLM, or to increase veteran's healthcare. Hell it could be to say that people shouldnt torture puppies, regardless of the message, it distracts from winning, and that's my only concern with it.

Last summer when people were wondering if Caleb was gay, i posted here that *IF* he is gay, i wouldnt care as long as he was winning. But if it became an issue where his identity was making him play a victims role, then it would be awful, but if on the other hand it made him feel like he had to be the best QB ever to prove something, then it could be a positive.

So again, I dont mix my politics with my football, i dont care what a player believes, as long as it helps them win games, or is neutral. The minute it steals focus, i hate it, even if i might agree with the cause they are talking about.

[Stinger226]

Clearly  the owners have an inept way to run a franchise. They want to win as badly as other owners but they get in their own way. Until they sell it fans will have to deal with the mistakes they make. Its plain to see they try to control what the GM and president does. When we get new people, we blame them for chaos when its the brass . We hear all kinds of stories about who might be the problem but none it matters where the fault falls.

Poles has fixed the cap and brought in talent in his third yr. He seems like the smartest guy in the room by some of his actions. Warren is a polititian and people point to him to be the guy to fix it, he's not experienced enough to do it. He's going to get the stadium built and runs for Mayor of Chicago. We have to trust Poles to figure it out. He may luck out and find the next coach already on the team, Brown, and OC in Beatty. If they go to a hiring contest George s going to get involved and we'll be back wondering if its the right guy. 

The key to this team is Caleb and might as well keep it as stable as possible with him working with Brown and Beatty . The next 5 games determines if they stay or not. 

[Mongo3451]

10 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Clearly  the owners have an inept way to run a franchise. They want to win as badly as other owners but they get in their own way.

That's complete BS.  They love their money more than winning.  That's why we get first timers or has beens as coaches.  They don't want to pay!  Georgie boy gets involved over the money.

[Stinger226]

4 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

That's complete BS.  They love their money more than winning.  That's why we get first timers or has beens as coaches.  They don't want to pay!  Georgie boy gets involved over the money.

I havent able to read minds for about 20 yrs now, clearly you're right,  why would an iconic franchise want to win to preserve the name. 

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

I havent able to read minds for about 20 yrs now, clearly you're right,  why would an iconic franchise want to win to preserve the name. 

you dont have to read their minds, you just have to follow their actions.

They choose short term $ over long term winning all the time.

I could make a list of all thew wrong moves they've made - keeping thew wrong guy an extra year over and over so that the new GM is stuck with a coach he didnt pick, and the new President has a GM he didnt pick. That's absolutely backwards in any organization.

I mean, would they prefer to win? Sure of course they would. But are they willing to let their egos out of the way and open the pocketbooks a little to fix all this? Nope. Not for decades.

[Mongo3451]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I havent able to read minds for about 20 yrs now, clearly you're right,  why would an iconic franchise want to win to preserve the name. 

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