Align the Organization - Fire Poles

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

Yeah - This is exactly what I mean. McCaskeys don’t go for this - but this is exactly what Bears need from its head coach. The directness of some of those statements but you also know the players will play for him and appreciate that warrior mentality. And I think the city will love him too! 

I really hope they dont screw this up, or take too long talking about it and lose him to someone else.

he really would be a perfect fit for this city. I could see him here for a decade or longer. Like a real team. With a real coach.

At this point it's either we go up from here, or total destruction, and becoming basically an expansion team starting from scratch, because Caleb, Jaylon Johnson and others simply aren't gonna sit around for 4 more years of corporate nonsense.

[Stinger226]

6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I really hope they dont screw this up, or take too long talking about it and lose him to someone else.

he really would be a perfect fit for this city. I could see him here for a decade or longer. Like a real team. With a real coach.

At this point it's either we go up from here, or total destruction, and becoming basically an expansion team starting from scratch, because Caleb, Jaylon Johnson and others simply aren't gonna sit around for 4 more years of corporate nonsense.

We dont really know whoever their choice is how it will turn out. Optitics show us he at least Vrabel would command respect and demand accountability. Has a winning record with experience. Every canidate has its good and bad points, just hope they luck out and get the right one because its still the same people deciding on the choice.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

We dont really know whoever their choice is how it will turn out. Optitics show us he at least Vrabel would command respect and demand accountability. Has a winning record with experience. Every canidate has its good and bad points, just hope they luck out and get the right one because its still the same people deciding on the choice.

I have a theory with nothing but circumstantial evidence.  We've all heard the rumors of McCaskey meddling.  They didn't hire Ditka, but I imagine he scarred them for eternity.  After the Superbowl, he was too powerful to get rid of.  Once free agency hit and Mikey wouldn't pay anyone, I can imagine all hell broke loose at headquarters and their was no getting away from it.  Even though they should never have a say on a head coach, I imagine they always do.  And they never want anything like Ditka again. Mr Warren has some convincing to do...

[Bears4Ever_34]

13 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I completely agree that Johnson is an excellent OC. But what makes us think he will be a good HC? I dont see the alphness or leadership qualities in his interviews or mic'ed up footage. He doesnt need to be jacked up like Vrabel, but I look at a guy like McVey, who has a similar physicality to Johnson, and the energy is really different. The confidence and power is big with McVey, and not Johnson.

Whoever our next coach is has to bring these players back from the edge. At best it is a gamble to think the Johnson will be able to do that - meaning, maybe he will, but it is unknown.

I understand that looking at the smart offense Johnson runs why we would want that for us, for Caleb. If we were talking about OC, it'd be a no brianer - Id rather have Johnson than anyone else - I love the way he uses the running game, and his rhythm in playcalling, how he sets people up. It's all excellent.

But head coach is not the same as OC, so make sure you dont fall in love with his offense without considering his ability as a head coach. I think it's a real risk at a time where we shouldnt be taking one.

Think of Josh McDaniels. Hes a great OC. Maybe our next one But he has been a terrible head coach twice.

Head coach and OC are not the same job. I wouldnt want Dan Campbell as our OC, but he is a really good HC. The dolphins hired Adam Gase to replace Campbell who had been interim head coach.Gase hed been a hot OC, but was a terrible head coach.

For me, it's Vrabel easily. For head coach, not OC.

How many people thought Kyle Shanahan or Nick Siriani sounded like an alpha before they became HC's? You can never fully judge a book by its cover. He just needs to be able to deliver a clear message to the locker room and hold everyone accountable, including himself. To me, when I listen to him, the two things he has going for him is that he doesn't sound like a weirdo and he's not a corny acronym guy, which are huge pluses. 

Ultimately, it is a gamble. I understand why people like Vrabel—super easy guy to get behind—but coordinator stability is always going to be a problem with him, and there really is no other way around it. Sure, they could always hire the next Nat Hackett, which would be horrible, but to me, it's a less risky gamble than going with another defensive mind where you have to get both the HC and OC hires right instead of just the one.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Bears4Ever_34 said:

How many people thought Kyle Shanahan or Nick Siriani sounded like an alpha before they became HC's? You can never fully judge a book by its cover. He just needs to be able to deliver a clear message to the locker room and hold everyone accountable, including himself. To me, when I listen to him, the two things he has going for him is that he doesn't sound like a weirdo and he's not a corny acronym guy, which are huge pluses. 

Ultimately, it is a gamble. I understand why people like Vrabel—super easy guy to get behind—but coordinator stability is always going to be a problem with him, and there really is no other way around it. Sure, they could always hire the next Nat Hackett, which would be horrible, but to me, it's a less risky gamble than going with another defensive mind where you have to get both the HC and OC hires right instead of just the one.

I think Shanahan always had that energy? I dont know much about Siriani.

Like I said it doesn't have to be some cartoonish alpha, Shanahan isnt that, but you can see that he isnt begging players to buy in, he's leading. I see films of Johnson where other coaches are condescending to him, teasing him, and he takes a submissive role as an answer. I see films of people teasing Vrabel, and he gets a huge smiles and gives it right back.

As for the OC position, if he brings in McDaniels, he's not going anywhere.

I just think we are making a mistake thinking we should hire an OC to be OC from the HC position?

Johnsons is as good an OC as there is, I totally agree. I'd LOVE to have him as our OC, but HC isnt OC, and i think a lot of people like sportswriters etc are missing that.

[Stinger226]

We keep hiring people that have never been a HC before and it scares me to go thru a learning process with a HC. Vrabel had Matt LaFeuir and Arthur Smith as OCs, so I think he can judge a good OC to bring in. Fox was the exception because they thought we could co9mpete right away and we are in that same situation again. Whoever is the coach we will be expected to win right away.