Roster Upgrades

[adam]

Thru 13 games it is clear that the roster is too weak to compete. 

At a minimum, they need a new LT, C, and RG. My assumption is they will keep Jenkins and Wright. 

I don't think Allen comes back, so they will need a new WR3, which is a need, but more like tier 2. TE2 is also in this group. 

On defense, they need a true Edge2, DT, CB2, and probably S. 

That is 9 starters or key contributors.

For upgrades, they need to look at RB, LB, and rotational DT.

That is 12 new bodies and we would be going into Year 4 of a rebuild. That is unacceptable in my opinion. 

[Stinger226]

I dont think its as bad as you say but we do need 4 new bodies on the OL and DL. 

I think we will be drafting between 5-7. In that spot we can have a choice of the top 2 OL prospects in the draft. We grab a LT, Jones has fallen off, make him the swing T and he will be okay as a backup. 

Kiran was brought in to compete at LT but not this year, you draft Will Campbell/LSU that could play several positions. Who ever wins the LT battle, the other guy goes to LG. Bring back Jenkins to compete for that spot at a team friedly contract.(injuries) 

We have 4 top 72 picks. No center is rated hiring than a late 2nd round so i suspect we can get a good prospect in the 3rd round. Resign Shelton , Bates is already here( may not be for long) and have them compete for OC. Get Trey Smith ( I dont care what it costs) for RG. Wright/RT has been up and down but still has great upside. 

I think that fixes the OL. 

Dont resign Allen that is a luxury a bad team cant afford. Bring in some later picks to compete, Scott is still on the roster but dont expect anything. Kmet is an above average TE that has simplily not been given enough targets this yr to look good. Everett hasnt showed anything because he isnt part of the offensive plan but he is signed for next yr, might as well just give him some snaps. 

Because of the emotional reaction to a 7 game losing streak we are in (burn it down) mode. We have some good players, Caleb Williams and cap space/draft capital. 

If we could fire Poles and bring in a Belicheck type, it could save our future. they are not hiring a 20 mil a yr guy, so forget the hero hire. If we keep changing everything every 3 yrs, we will be always be in chaos. Since we have Caleb now, we need to find stabity at least with Poes staying in place of which I dont think is getting fired anyways. 

So Poles will have to make the right hire but we have to leave Warren out of it. He's the person that blow off a Harbaugh talk. (clashed as Big 10 commish). Vrabel, Gruden, I dont want a new coach type learning curve. With 4 yrs of Caleb left we need to roll day one. With a good coach hire, and some new bodies we should be a winning team next yr. 

[Mongo3451]

IMO, the roster is not terrible, it's just constructed funny.  Poles simply neglected the premium trench positions.  With roster construction remaining as it is, we truly only need OL and DL.  That being said, we could always upgrade everywhere, but it's not as critical.  That talent on this team is simply rudderless.  Poor coaching and lack of identity has a bunch of bodies flying around.  We desperately need a true alpha coach.

[Stinger226]

7 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

IMO, the roster is not terrible, it's just constructed funny.  Poles simply neglected the premium trench positions.  With roster construction remaining as it is, we truly only need OL and DL.  That being said, we could always upgrade everywhere, but it's not as critical.  That talent on this team is simply rudderless.  Poor coaching and lack of identity has a bunch of bodies flying around.  We desperately need a true alpha coach.

Totally agree, emotionally responding to losing has everythink looking bad. Poles had a plan at OL, it simply failed. Davis was a check out, Jones has regressed, jenkins is always hurt, Bates never healthy and Wright up and down. Add 3 FA or high draft picks and this will look completely different. 

[adam]

7 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Totally agree, emotionally responding to losing has everythink looking bad. Poles had a plan at OL, it simply failed. Davis was a check out, Jones has regressed, jenkins is always hurt, Bates never healthy and Wright up and down. Add 3 FA or high draft picks and this will look completely different. 

Do you really think 3 FA or high draft picks is going to change this? It's not like the other teams are not picking any players. So the Bears get 3 players in the first two rounds, while pretty much every other team gets 2. That is a net gain of one potential player, and that is only if the Bears picks pan out.

There is no emotion here, they have lost 7 straight and this current roster is a 4-9 team. In the last 6 games, they have as many one-score losses as blowout losses. 

So teams like the Jets, Browns, Jags, Titans who are very similar to the Bears are close and should also just run it back? These are all terrible teams with terrible rosters that lack star power. 

 

Again, if CAR happens to win 2 more games this season and the Bears lose out, the Bears will be tied for the worst team in football over the Poles era. That is not emotion, that is fact.

 

[Stinger226]

5 minutes ago, adam said:

Do you really think 3 FA or high draft picks is going to change this? It's not like the other teams are not picking any players. So the Bears get 3 players in the first two rounds, while pretty much every other team gets 2. That is a net gain of one potential player, and that is only if the Bears picks pan out.

There is no emotion here, they have lost 7 straight and this current roster is a 4-9 team. In the last 6 games, they have as many one-score losses as blowout losses. 

So teams like the Jets, Browns, Jags, Titans who are very similar to the Bears are close and should also just run it back? These are all terrible teams with terrible rosters that lack star power. 

 

Again, if CAR happens to win 2 more games this season and the Bears lose out, the Bears will be tied for the worst team in football over the Poles era. That is not emotion, that is fact.

 

Im willing to say we are the worst team in the league right now but that doesnt mean we are void of talent. My proof that we arent that far away that 6 new trench players (draft and FAs) could fix is the 4 games we played good teams that was lost at the end of games. Its still a loss but i think it means we are closer to their talent level than miles away. they all added players this yr to , yet we competed. Im willing to say with a good coach we would have beat at least 3 of those teams and easily beat NE. So we would be 8-5 and that almost happened with a terrible coach. 

[Stinger226]

Yesterday if i posted I would have brought gasoline to the bonfire, but today, Im going to quit looking into the past( 7 game losing streak) and try ti find positives for this team for the future. 

It only needs to start with Caleb, we  have a top 5 type Qb, the rest will fall into place. With saying that, he gets some blame for this debacle to, as a rookie he has a long way to go, but Im already looking at next year and his future. 

Its never as bad as it looks or as good as it looks. Its a team with the arrow pointing up with Caleb here. 

What coach said (only losers live in the past). That's my take also.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, adam said:

Do you really think 3 FA or high draft picks is going to change this? It's not like the other teams are not picking any players. So the Bears get 3 players in the first two rounds, while pretty much every other team gets 2. That is a net gain of one potential player, and that is only if the Bears picks pan out.

It actually can.  Take defense for example.  If we draft a dominant EDGE to pair with Sweat, the pass rush finally gets home.  Or one of our current DE's become above average, while we draft a dominant 3T and move Dexter to the 1T.  You could have improvements at the positions with one addition.

Same with offense.  Draft a dominant OT, imagine if Kiran ascends to starting right tackle, Wright goes to RG, Jenkins stays healthy, Jones completes with Jenkins and we somehow sign it draft a great center. 

So, one DL and two OL can make for really good changes.  All stars would need to align.  We are closer than we were three years ago, but not happening fast enough to save jobs.  Good coaching can save it all. (See Harbaugh)

[Stinger226]

11 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

It actually can.  Take defense for example.  If we draft a dominant EDGE to pair with Sweat, the pass rush finally gets home.  Or one of our current DE's become above average, while we draft a dominant 3T and move Dexter to the 1T.  You could have improvements at the positions with one addition.

Same with offense.  Draft a dominant OT, imagine if Kiran ascends to starting right tackle, Wright goes to RG, Jenkins stays healthy, Jones completes with Jenkins and we somehow sign it draft a great center. 

So, one DL and two OL can make for really good changes.  All stars would need to align.  We are closer than we were three years ago, but not happening fast enough to save jobs.  Good coaching can save it all. (See Harbaugh)

Yes we can

[adam]

What I am saying is, in a vacuum yes, the Bears can improve with a few key positions, but so can every other team in the league, so it cancels itself out. In order to improve, you have to draft better than the next team and sign free agents that are better than the opponents. I don't think Poles has to done that yet. 

Will the team fire him? Probably not, because he drafted Caleb and he really didn't get to hire "his" HC. So we will see.

I am just thinking, if they lose out, and he has the worst record of any team and GM in the NFL in the last 3 years, how could they justify bringing him back?

[Stinger226]

4 hours ago, adam said:

What I am saying is, in a vacuum yes, the Bears can improve with a few key positions, but so can every other team in the league, so it cancels itself out. In order to improve, you have to draft better than the next team and sign free agents that are better than the opponents. I don't think Poles has to done that yet. 

Will the team fire him? Probably not, because he drafted Caleb and he really didn't get to hire "his" HC. So we will see.

I am just thinking, if they lose out, and he has the worst record of any team and GM in the NFL in the last 3 years, how could they justify bringing him back?

I suspect when he said it would take 4 to 5 yrs of drafts to build a winner and we are only in yr 3, they may have believed him. Add in the bad coach they gave him the choice to work with may give him another yr. He did a complete rebuild, Im not sure any GM has ever did that before. Maybe Jim Finks?

[ASHKUM BEAR]

I'd be happy with Tankathons last draft for the Bears.  OL and DL should be taken in the top 3 rounds every year, regardless of depth.  You have 9 to 10 players on the lines and taking 1 OL and 1 DL every year will keep the cupboard full.  I dont think the Bears have drafted a stud DE since Dent, or an OLT since Covert. Is this on the owners too...there have been a handful of different GMs and we still haven't drafted one since. 

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/mock_draft

1-9 Kelvin Banks Jr OT Texas

2-35 Jonah Savaiinaea OG Arz

2-41 JT Tuimolua Edge Ohio St

3-73 Donte Corleone DT Cincy

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I'd be happy with Tankathons last draft for the Bears.  OL and DL should be taken in the top 3 rounds every year, regardless of depth.  You have 9 to 10 players on the lines and taking 1 OL and 1 DL every year will keep the cupboard full.  I dont think the Bears have drafted a stud DE since Dent, or an OLT since Covert. Is this on the owners too...there have been a handful of different GMs and we still haven't drafted one since. 

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/mock_draft

1-9 Kelvin Banks Jr OT Texas

2-35 Jonah Savaiinaea OG Arz

2-41 JT Tuimolua Edge Ohio St

3-73 Donte Corleone DT Cincy

I dont know the names yet, but I like your ranking of positions.