DABEARSDABOMB Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 26 minutes ago, Bears4Ever_34 said: Fair point. I actually forgot about the Brown dynamic. Don't think he's interviewed for the job yet, weirdly, unless I missed something. Ron Rivera would be a disastrous hiring for the Bears as a HC. Another defensive retread who can't hire coordinators. He's also publicly stated his support for Jayden Daniels over Caleb Williams. You can't put that genie back in the bottle. If it's not a Rooney rule thing, then it's a useless "favor" interview, as DABEARSDABOMB previously stated. You are spot on - has to be favor/rooney rule. I believe Brown doesn’t count toward the rule but I thought he was one of the first to interview. Any coach currently under contract (in playoffs or not) can only be virtually interviewed. This gets them one step closer. I suspect we will see everything speed up when McCarthy officially comes out of contract - because it’s at that point where I think the Bears next push happens (including waiting for Johnson). I think 20th is when any current coach or coordinator under contract can interview in person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 Disregard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 So Vrabel is going to the Patriots. I gotta say i really liked the idea of him as Head Coach. I'm sad to see him off the list. I predict the Patriots will do well under his leadership. Wish it was us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 4 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said: You are spot on - has to be favor/rooney rule. I believe Brown doesn’t count toward the rule but I thought he was one of the first to interview. Any coach currently under contract (in playoffs or not) can only be virtually interviewed. This gets them one step closer. I suspect we will see everything speed up when McCarthy officially comes out of contract - because it’s at that point where I think the Bears next push happens (including waiting for Johnson). I think 20th is when any current coach or coordinator under contract can interview in person. Upon review, the rule is you have to interview two external minority candidates, and they have to be in-person. So, Thomas Brown wouldn't count. That would explain why the Patriots interviewed Pep Hamilton and Byron Leftwhich. I wasn't aware it changed to 2. Means they need another one of these sham interviews to fast track the hire, if that's what they want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said: So Vrabel is going to the Patriots. I gotta say i really liked the idea of him as Head Coach. I'm sad to see him off the list. I predict the Patriots will do well under his leadership. Wish it was us. Just seen a story where it was reported the bears want to interview Marcus Freeman. That's all bullshi. He just signed a 34 mil extension on his contract. These people just say anything and think bear fans will believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, Bears4Ever_34 said: Upon review, the rule is you have to interview two external minority candidates, and they have to be in-person. So, Thomas Brown wouldn't count. That would explain why the Patriots interviewed Pep Hamilton and Byron Leftwhich. I wasn't aware it changed to 2. Means they need another one of these sham interviews to fast track the hire, if that's what they want to do. There's no fast track if we want Johnson until he loses a game. Probably SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 17 minutes ago, Stinger226 said: There's no fast track if we want Johnson until he loses a game. Probably SB I meant that they could fast track his hiring should they lose next week, or whenever that is. It's better to get the procedural crap out of the way as soon as possible so another team can't offer him the job before you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 9 hours ago, Bears4Ever_34 said: I meant that they could fast track his hiring should they lose next week, or whenever that is. It's better to get the procedural crap out of the way as soon as possible so another team can't offer him the job before you can. After the NE job is taken, I believe we are next best option. But they need a backup plan just in case. Only 4 jobs out there left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 8 hours ago, Stinger226 said: Only 4 jobs out there left. 5 (?) now??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 13 Author Report Share Posted January 13 McCarthy immediately becomes the top candidate. HC experience, offensive guru, has worked with a bunch of different QBs, including Rodgers, which Caleb emulates on the field. He checks all the marks. For him, it is an easy decision. He gets Caleb, and gets to beat GB twice a year for the next 20. I would be fine with him or Johnson tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 10 minutes ago, adam said: McCarthy immediately becomes the top candidate. HC experience, offensive guru, has worked with a bunch of different QBs, including Rodgers, which Caleb emulates on the field. He checks all the marks. For him, it is an easy decision. He gets Caleb, and gets to beat GB twice a year for the next 20. I would be fine with him or Johnson tbh. This is where my head is at - the floor is high with McCarthy and right now I think what he brings is exactly what this org needs to take a considerable step forward. I'll also note Matt Flynn...beyond his work with Rodgers and now Dak...this guy got Matt Flynn a huge deal too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said: This is where my head is at - the floor is high with McCarthy and right now I think what he brings is exactly what this org needs to take a considerable step forward. I'll also note Matt Flynn...beyond his work with Rodgers and now Dak...this guy got Matt Flynn a huge deal too. McCarthy strikes me as a blue coller, lunchpail totin type of guy. Would fit in with the Bears in that regard . No denying his winning record with both GB and Dallas . If this happens I hope that since Rodgers will be looking for a new job we don’t become a possible landing spot. 😱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 11 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said: McCarthy strikes me as a blue coller, lunchpail totin type of guy. Would fit in with the Bears in that regard . No denying his winning record with both GB and Dallas . If this happens I hope that since Rodgers will be looking for a new job we don’t become a possible landing spot. 😱 1000% not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, DABEARSDABOMB said: 1000% not happening. I know but thought it would be worth noting. I mean Aaron could bring his buddy Paul Hackett as the new OC. 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Your opinions may well be true but why do teams keep moving on n from him? GB and now Dallas, I think he wins but doesn't get you to the big dance. I want someone not at the end of his career, I want someone that grows with Caleb and stays Caleb's full career. I don't see McCarthy coaching for 10 more years. Is he an upgrade, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Give him some eye glasses and call him Andy Reid. My choice A, Ben Johnson may not leave Detroit and is unknown as a HC. McCarthy has been in the league for a long time and has coached Montana, Favre, Rodgers, and Zak to name a few. Either one i am cool with. One we might have growing pains and the other may only last 4-5 years. I'm okay with 4 or 5, because if Caleb is not top 5 and leading the Bears into playoffs by then it might be time to reconsider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Kevin O'Connell to me is a sleeper name to watch. Knocked out of the playoffs, one year left on his deal. Clearly has gotten the most out of that team, despite some playoff losses. But that team as good as they outperformed has a lot of change coming...does KOC have some leverage to potentially be a FA coach and with that could a team hiring now potentially push Vikings to move now (vs. lose him a year from now as a free agent). Warren probably has some connections still to Minny so has to have good intelligence there. But Vikings essentially have no draft picks this year and I believe its like 38 free agents. I'd be willing to give up a pick to get KOC...just not a FRP...that would have to be reserved for a McVay / Shanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 19 hours ago, Alaskan Grizzly said: I know but thought it would be worth noting. I mean Aaron could bring his buddy Paul Hackett as the new OC. 🤷🏻♂️ As proven in his HC failure Hackett is Rodger’s Buddy precisely because he won’t hold people accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 52 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said: I'd be willing to give up a pick to get KOC...just not a FRP...that would have to be reserved for a McVay / Shanny. How about Mike Tomlin? Is he in the McVay/Shanny conversation when it comes to potentially giving up a first for him? Reason I ask is that has come up in conversation. That Pittsburgh might be willing to part with him due to what appears to be him getting stuck in neutral when it comes to the playoffs. I saw some pundits suggest he and McCarthy should just changes locations and that might do the trick. With McCarthy it would make sense as he is a Pennsylvania native. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 I think McCarthy and Tomlin are very similar. Both are tough culture builders with experience, and long sustained winning. McCarthy has never won a SB and Tomlin has one in 2008. McCarthy is an offensive guy who has worked with big name QBs. Both are getting older, some say neither can win the big game again, but both have high floors. Each is possibly available after long stints with a team that had a lot of winning, but didn't dominate against the top teams. Either one would be a good hire for us. Between the two I think I'd go with McCarthy. But given that we really need a culture builder and THEN a schematic wizard, I like the idea of Pete Carroll with a top flight OC/assistant head coach who will take over as HC after Carroll retires and has built a sustainable culture. As much of a whiz as Ben Johnson is, I dont think we have the foundation and culture yet to go right to the whiz kid. I dont love the idea of bringing in a Fox type guy and then a whiz as a head coach after that because of all the upheaval, so the Pete Carroll concept looks pretty good to me. I mean, you get the tough guy, but you dont lose your OC and eventually he becomes your offensive minded head coach after the foundation is built, without having to change underlings, systems etc. But honestly, I'd be fine with any of those guys over Johnson. And Im not saying Johnson wont be a tough culture builder. I just dont know if he will, and we need one for sure. If that first time HC doesnt pay off, say goodbye to Caleb and wait another 20 years for a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan Grizzly Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said: McCarthy has never won a SB and Tomlin has one in 2008. McCarthy actually coached the Packers to a SB win after the 2010 season (SB XLV). Ironically enough they played Pittsburgh who was coached by none other than Mike Tomlin. That was also the last time that Chicago played in the NFC Championship game (against GB). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Alaskan Grizzly said: McCarthy actually coached the Packers to a SB win after the 2010 season (SB XLV). Ironically enough they played Pittsburgh who was coached by none other than Mike Tomlin. That was also the last time that Chicago played in the NFC Championship game (against GB). thanks for that - I had missed it, and youre right. It makes McCarthy and Tomlin even more similar. I suppose the biggest difference is that McCarthy came from the offensive side of the ball and Tomlin from the defensive side. But i wonder how much that matters to someone who has been a head coach for well over a decade as they both have. Certainly Bill Belichick was a monster offensive thinker, but he came up the ranks on the defensive side. I understand if someone is coming from being a coordinator how it might matter, but if someone has been head coach for a long time; McCarthy, Tomlin, Carroll - I think at some point they probably have ideas on both sides of the ball. And I mean, how can you be a successful offensive coordinator if you don't understand defenses and vice versa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 7 hours ago, Alaskan Grizzly said: How about Mike Tomlin? Is he in the McVay/Shanny conversation when it comes to potentially giving up a first for him? Reason I ask is that has come up in conversation. That Pittsburgh might be willing to part with him due to what appears to be him getting stuck in neutral when it comes to the playoffs. I saw some pundits suggest he and McCarthy should just changes locations and that might do the trick. With McCarthy it would make sense as he is a Pennsylvania native. When I read about other teams ready to give up on their HC (read Steelers' message boards) I think how perfect for the Bears to grab a coach just as his expiration date is about to hit. That actually is the epitome of Bears' hirings of washed up coaches at one extreme or low cost newbies who have minimal track record of success or minimal leadership qualities. I have always liked and respected Tomlin but I also think this is one of the toughest jobs and, while it pays well, it does come at a personal cost. Which is my way of saying that head coaches do have an expiration date. That intensity and fire we want is hard to burn forever. Look at how Belichick ended his run. Andy Reed is an anomaly but he's also paid a heavy personal price. Sean McVay has talked about retirement quite a bit already. On the flip side there is an addiction to the job and some guys struggle to let it go. Which is why I'm very skeptical about guys like Pete Carroll, and now McCarthy. Vrabel is still young enough that I think the fire stills burns. I love the debate because it's helped me gain perspective on all the options but why can't we be the team that finds the next McVay, or the next (young) Tomlin? These next great head coaches do exist. Go find one. There will never be another opportunity like this in our head coaching search. Despite our excessive hand wringing this team does have almost everything a good young and confident coach should want. We're just a few pieces away from being a playoff team. One of those pieces being a good HC. We can and should be in the drivers seat among candidates if we choose to be (that means paying the money). In recent days I've just settled on my final option: Get it right. Ownership needs to know for the fans there are no more excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Cowboys might be wining and dining Deion Sanders as he was in Dallas tonight at the Mavericks game. You know Jerry sees marketing and a good up and coming coach in Sanders. That would clear a bidding partner for Johnson. I think our biggest bidder for Johnson is Detroit, especially if they get close but lose in the semis or superbowl. I'd still like to see the Bears bring Johnson in and court him like they did with Caleb to see if his heart would be open to coming here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 I saw this somewhere else - but this goes back to 2000-2024 and how McCarthys offenses have performed and who the qb was. I will notate 2017 with Packers was when Rodger’s was hurt (i think by Wooten or someone on Bears iirc): Mike McCarthy as OC in New Orleans and San Francisco ('00-'05) 00 - 10th in yards, 10th in points (Jeff Blake & Aaron Brooks) 01 - 10th in yards, 13th in points (Aaron Brooks) 02 - 19th in yards, 3rd in points (Aaron Brooks) 03 - 11th in yards, 14th in points (Aaron Brooks) 04 - 15th in yards, 14th in points (Aaron Brooks) 05 - 32nd in yards, 30th in points (had 4 different QBs start games - Alex Smith, Tim Rattay, Ken Dorsey, Cody Pickett) Mike McCarthy as Green Bay head coach ('06-'18) (Brett Favre through '07; Aaron Rodgers '08-onward) 06 - 9th in yards, 22nd in points 07 - 2nd in yards, 4th in points 08 - 8th in yards, 5th in points 09 - 6th in yards, 3rd in points 10 - 9th in yards, 10th in points 11 - 3rd in yards, 1st in points 12 - 13th in yards, 5th in points 13 - 3rd in yards, 8th in points 14 - 6th in yards, 1st in points 15 - 23rd in yards, 15th in points 16 - 8th in yards, 4th in points 17 - 26th in yards, 21st in points 18 - 12th in yards, 14th in points Mike McCarthy as Dallas head coach (''20-'24) 20 - 14th in yards, 17th in points (Andy Dalton & Dak Prescott) 21 - 1st in yards, 1st in points (Dak Prescott) 22 - 11th in yards, 4th in points (Dak Prescott & Cooper Rush) 23 - 5th in yards, 1st in points (the year McCarthy took over playcalling from Kellen Moore) (Dak Prescott) 24 - 17th in yards, 21st in points (Dak Prescott, Cooper Rush & Trey Lance) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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