We were building toward something

[CrackerDog]

Guys, I’m not sure where to even start.  But before the season I think most of us thought Poles had this thing heading in the right direction. And yes we were questioning the offensive line and after taking so many hits there what was questionable became a weak link.  

The record at the beginning of the season was always a mirage.  And the wheels came off due mostly to us facing better teams but also due to horrendous coaching.  

Just hiring a new coaching staff and repeating the cycle again doesn’t seem to be the answer to me.  That said, I’m lost as to where we go from here.  I really can’t even watch the games at this point.  And Caleb is THIS CLOSE to being the latest sacrificial lamb on the Bears QB alter.  

I still believe Poles brought a great deal of talent to our rosters but there have also been several mistakes.  And leaving the coaching staff in place for this season was a huge mistake.  Hindsight is 20 20.  I don’t believe he made that decision in a vacuum and the rot starts at the top of the organization.  

More great draft picks this year and a new coaching staff, is that really all we have to look forward to?  I’ve done that now for 20+ years, every 3, 4 or 5 years.  Nothing changes!

Talk me off the ledge guys.  Please. 

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, CrackerDog said:

Talk me off the ledge guys.  Please. 

This is the support group...🤪

[Daventry]

2 hours ago, CrackerDog said:

Guys, I’m not sure where to even start.  But before the season I think most of us thought Poles had this thing heading in the right direction. And yes we were questioning the offensive line and after taking so many hits there what was questionable became a weak link.  

The record at the beginning of the season was always a mirage.  And the wheels came off due mostly to us facing better teams but also due to horrendous coaching.  

Just hiring a new coaching staff and repeating the cycle again doesn’t seem to be the answer to me.  That said, I’m lost as to where we go from here.  I really can’t even watch the games at this point.  And Caleb is THIS CLOSE to being the latest sacrificial lamb on the Bears QB alter.  

I still believe Poles brought a great deal of talent to our rosters but there have also been several mistakes.  And leaving the coaching staff in place for this season was a huge mistake.  Hindsight is 20 20.  I don’t believe he made that decision in a vacuum and the rot starts at the top of the organization.  

More great draft picks this year and a new coaching staff, is that really all we have to look forward to?  I’ve done that now for 20+ years, every 3, 4 or 5 years.  Nothing changes!

Talk me off the ledge guys.  Please. 

I feel the same way, more and more I am concluding that the owners have, are, and will continue to cause us to be losers.  I only watched the first quarter of the Vikings game, when we started right off going for it on fourth down I decided I had seen that movie before and I didn’t need to watch it again.  I suspect the McCaskeys influence management hires and other big decisions and the whole family seem to be entitled clowns.  I have gotten to the point of disinterest.  I still have hope, but that definition of insanity saying echoes in my brain.

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, CrackerDog said:

Guys, I’m not sure where to even start.  But before the season I think most of us thought Poles had this thing heading in the right direction. And yes we were questioning the offensive line and after taking so many hits there what was questionable became a weak link.  

The record at the beginning of the season was always a mirage.  And the wheels came off due mostly to us facing better teams but also due to horrendous coaching.  

Just hiring a new coaching staff and repeating the cycle again doesn’t seem to be the answer to me.  That said, I’m lost as to where we go from here.  I really can’t even watch the games at this point.  And Caleb is THIS CLOSE to being the latest sacrificial lamb on the Bears QB alter.  

I still believe Poles brought a great deal of talent to our rosters but there have also been several mistakes.  And leaving the coaching staff in place for this season was a huge mistake.  Hindsight is 20 20.  I don’t believe he made that decision in a vacuum and the rot starts at the top of the organization.  

More great draft picks this year and a new coaching staff, is that really all we have to look forward to?  I’ve done that now for 20+ years, every 3, 4 or 5 years.  Nothing changes!

Talk me off the ledge guys.  Please. 

I totally agree.

For many years I've followed one losing season after the next thinking "when they are finally good, all this suffering is going to make the result so sweet"

But there is paying dues, and then there is insanity. Between Sunday Ticket, and YouTubeTV that I need to buy NFLST, I pay over a thousand dollars a year just to watch this team. And it's terrible. Over and over again.

I still think Caleb can be great. I think with the right coach, we might be able to turn it around. But it's going to take more than a few draft picks. Some talented players are going to have to go to get this team right. I wont try to guess which ones can be saved, but there are some very talented players that i just dont know if i can ever trust on this team.

Darnell Mooney is about to get 1,000 yards. Many of our OL rejects are playing well for other teams. There is a virus infecting everything, and bringing in players isnt going to be enough if they catch this BS from some of the guys we have. Guys who will go on to be great elsewhere too.

Bringing in Ben Johnson isnt going to do it. I dont even know if bringing in Vrabel and quality coordinators is going to be enough.

I dont think Ryan Poles has the strength of will to fix this, and I dont think Kevin Warren is some kind of football visionary either. And our owners. We should have run them out of town with pitchforks 10 years ago.

I have never considered giving up on this team, but now, after 40 years of suffering (who are we kidding, the double doink team was no champion, and neither was the team thatlost to the Colts int he SB) Im seriously considering giving up on them and football all together.

I will probably watch again for one more year. If we sign a good coach, I probably have one more try in me.

But f*ck the McCaskeys. How dare they destroy this franchise. Someone should organize an online movement to not buy any merch until the Bears have a winning season. Maybe a total boycott if such a thing is even possible. Something that lets these jerks know that there is no more $ for them until the remove McCaskey from the chaimanship, and they have a winning season.

There's probably nothing I can do, but the worst of it is that my anger is turning into apathy.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

1 hour ago, Daventry said:

I feel the same way, more and more I am concluding that the owners have, are, and will continue to cause us to be losers.  I only watched the first quarter of the Vikings game, when we started right off going for it on fourth down I decided I had seen that movie before and I didn’t need to watch it again.  I suspect the McCaskeys influence management hires and other big decisions and the whole family seem to be entitled clowns.  I have gotten to the point of disinterest.  I still have hope, but that definition of insanity saying echoes in my brain.

This is why while I don't love him, I'd like to let Warren start with a clean slate - his guy at GM and his coach.  I go back to - I want to see the Bears consider candidates who wouldn't past the historical McCaskey/Phillips hiring process cause clearly there was something in the attributes that lead them to hire one sort of coach vs. others. They seem to be wowed by the interview and my guess is thrown off by crassness / overly negative things said about current state.  I'm curious whether Warren will go the same way - or will he have a different view where he recognizes at the highest level in this place - while you have to balance the how and what - you also have to appreciate the freshness and honesty that can come with some of that.  

Its why I'm really curious to see if they go with say a Vrabel cause that would tell me we are at least taking a chance at breaking from our historical mold.  Heck - while I didn't actually love putting so much on Brown's plate and moving on from Flus (you just had to though after that loss to Detroit) - again it seems like it was Warren who helped get McCaskey over the line to say, no, forget the narrative we got to do this.  I think Poles was there too (in fairness).

Now the only thing that would change my narrative on Poles would be if he went to bat to move on from Flus and just lost - but I really don't think Warren would have been the one to go to bat for Flus.  And even than - I just think to Poles misses at fixing the oline - this isn't a new issue this year, this goes back to Fields.  

[AZ54]

I go about 20 years between Superbowls  (85 then 2006) so I figure we're just a couple years out.  How we get there I have no clue but I also know we aren't that far off now that we have Caleb.  

[BearFan PHX]

Caleb IS the seed of hope, but he has a lot to carry on his back. And his own growth to attend to as well.

Without him, we would have nothing firm to build on.

[Stinger226]

18 hours ago, CrackerDog said:

Guys, I’m not sure where to even start.  But before the season I think most of us thought Poles had this thing heading in the right direction. And yes we were questioning the offensive line and after taking so many hits there what was questionable became a weak link.  

The record at the beginning of the season was always a mirage.  And the wheels came off due mostly to us facing better teams but also due to horrendous coaching.  

Just hiring a new coaching staff and repeating the cycle again doesn’t seem to be the answer to me.  That said, I’m lost as to where we go from here.  I really can’t even watch the games at this point.  And Caleb is THIS CLOSE to being the latest sacrificial lamb on the Bears QB alter.  

I still believe Poles brought a great deal of talent to our rosters but there have also been several mistakes.  And leaving the coaching staff in place for this season was a huge mistake.  Hindsight is 20 20.  I don’t believe he made that decision in a vacuum and the rot starts at the top of the organization.  

More great draft picks this year and a new coaching staff, is that really all we have to look forward to?  I’ve done that now for 20+ years, every 3, 4 or 5 years.  Nothing changes!

Talk me off the ledge guys.  Please. 

I've been living on the ledge since 1965, i only got to get off for a few yrs. Cant say  its comfortable out there but I would like to get off for good. I agree with your prespective. People talk about Caleb being damaged with all the chaos around him, but I believe his talent will overcome that. All the negativity has us looking down at everything but I think we are only a few players away but being a consistant winner with the right coach. 

How would this look had the Hail Mary would not have been successful at Washington? 5-2 with lots of confidence flowing on the team. We probably would have lost on the road to AZ but won at home with NE. 6-3. The positive vibes may have gave us a few more wins even with the coaching chaos and injuries. How would it look right now with 8-9 wins? We will never know.

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I've been living on the ledge since 1965, i only got to get off for a few yrs. Cant say  its comfortable out there but I would like to get off for good. I agree with your prespective. People talk about Caleb being damaged with all the chaos around him, but I believe his talent will overcome that. All the negativity has us looking down at everything but I think we are only a few players away but being a consistant winner with the right coach. 

How would this look had the Hail Mary would not have been successful at Washington? 5-2 with lots of confidence flowing on the team. We probably would have lost on the road to AZ but won at home with NE. 6-3. The positive vibes may have gave us a few more wins even with the coaching chaos and injuries. How would it look right now with 8-9 wins? We will never know.

so true. and it damns Eberflus even more, because not only did he allow the hail mary, but he was unable to stop the bleeding after and get us back on track.

Here's where a guy like Vrabel could help. A fancy offensive gameplan wouldnt make a difference to that kind of locker room momentum - only a head coach who leads men can.

[Stinger226]

20 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

so true. and it damns Eberflus even more, because not only did he allow the hail mary, but he was unable to stop the bleeding after and get us back on track.

Here's where a guy like Vrabel could help. A fancy offensive gameplan wouldnt make a difference to that kind of locker room momentum - only a head coach who leads men can.

yes and yes