fenom283 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 The majority of this board wants a OT in the first round. The question i want to pose is who is the Bears Offensive Star,Olin Kruetz??? I understand that fixing the Oline should be a priority but I look at the good teams around the league and their Offensive star is not an offensive lineman. Does anybody really believe that drafting and OT in the first is gonna make Benson not look to fall down after contact or make the WR's stop dropping passes. Even though he might not come back drafting Clady in the 1st is not gonna make Rex grow 5 more inches. I know people are gonna bring up how Joe Thomas comes in and Cleveland looks like a legit team but before they brought him in they drafted Braylon Edwards 3rd overall and Kellen Winslow 6th overall. Also they made the move of picking up Jamal Lewis who might be aging but is a legit running back. They even made the move of trading back into the first round to pick up Brady Quinn before they found out that Derek Anderson was a gamer. We have no WR's no RB's and No QB the face of our offense is a Center. There is something wrong with that. we need to get better at the skill position and hope JA understands this. Defense can win a superbowl (Baltimore, Pittsburgh) thats true but with a few tweaks a couple of guys being healthy through the whole season and you dont really have to worry about the Defense. The offense needs playmakers, guys who are gonna be threats to score that dont play special teams. We have a playmaking TE who will get more involved next year but RB, WR, and QB are to important to be overlooked. We need to draft playmakers early in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 I agree that the Bears do not have a superstar at any of the skill positions, but you can at least compare Olsen to Winslow, Berrian to Edwards, and Benson to Lewis. The biggest positional difference is QB. Also, the O-Line helps a lot of those positions look better. Bigger holes for RBs, more time for QB, etc. OL is not a sexy pick, but at this point we just need to get the best available that fills a need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 The offensive "Stars" are never O-Linemen, but without solid O-Linemen, few offensive players ever become stars (I'll exclude Peyton Manning, but other than that). Think Tom Brady would be looking that good if he was on his back half the game? Think Adrian Peterson would have put up dominant numbers last year if he wasn't running behind a couple of the league's best blockers? Over and over, if you look at the teams that are winning, they are doing so because their O-Lines perform well. Aside from Peyton, few players can make stars out of O-Linemen, but solid O-Linemen can make stars out of a lot of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 I understand that fixing the Oline should be a priority but I look at the good teams around the league and their Offensive star is not an offensive lineman. Does anybody really believe that drafting and OT in the first is gonna make Benson not look to fall down after contact or make the WR's stop dropping passes. I don't mean to pick a fight with you, but I have to disagree vehemently. Without meaning to attack you, you must not really understand football. The offensive line is what allows the skill players to do what they do. Without a stellar offensive line, Tom Brady is ot a Super Bowl Winner. Check out Adrian Peterson of the Vikings - amazing talent yes? What about Shaun Alexander - he was league MVP and now is quiet. Why? Because Steve Hutchinson left Seattle and joined Minnesota. The truth is that YES a good offensive line WOULD make Benson a top 10 rusher. The right line would make him top 5. The Walter Paytonss and Barry Sanderses of the world, who can get yardage without holes are extremely rare. On the other hand, every RB in the league, and a few that can't even make the cut could get 4 yards a carry behind a great OL, and most if not all would do diddly behind our run blocking this year. You ask about dropped balls. If a WR gets time to get open, and the QB can deliver a nice catchable ball, most NFL recivers can make the catch. Both of those things happen when the QB has time. The most important positions in football are on the line. If you don't believe me, check out the Lions for the past decade. How many great WRs did they draft? How many did they put on the field at the same time? If the NFL were sandlot football, the Lions would have been the tops. But it isn't. There are running plays and pass protection, and the Lions have done crap with only skill players. The bottom line is the line in the NFL. It isn't sexy, and there isn't any (direct) measure of it in fantasy football, but if you want to win, you need to revamp the OL this year. If you want "stars" go root for Detroit, or the earlier versions of Snyder's Redskins. If you want to win football games, open some holes, move the chains, eat clock, rest the defense, make the opposing defense play you honestly, open up the play action passsing game and protect the QB on passing downs. All those things rest on the OL. I'd like to see Angelo grab a big name OL free agent, and make 2 of the top 4 picks on OL too. that's because I want to win more than I want to buy more rookie jerseys. But that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChileBear Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Just fix the OLine and alot of things will beging to fall into place on offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenom283 Posted January 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Just fix the OLine and alot of things will beging to fall into place on offense. Im not saying ignore the Oline but we dont have any talent at the skill positions. Everybody knows Benson is a bust and without Berrian are WR core is horrid. We need to fix the OL through FA and draft at the skill positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Im not saying ignore the Oline but we dont have any talent at the skill positions. Everybody knows Benson is a bust and without Berrian are WR core is horrid. We need to fix the OL through FA and draft at the skill positions. I simply disagree here. I don't know that Benson is a bust, nor do I know that Grossman is a bust, nor do I know that Orton is a bust, nor do I know that Olsen is a bust right now, simply because I don't feel that you can evaluate how those players looked in a realistic sense without a quality performance from the O-Line. Just thinking back to the Giants game, I though for example Grossman didn't look that badly in the game, but he spent most of it being knocked to the ground, and thus he never had a chance to make a big play to any of his receivers. If your QB is on the ground in a second, it's hard for receivers to have a shot to get open. If your OLine isn't working well, then your running game won't work well. Benson, for example, always seemed to take his first hit behind the LOS, which is a pretty bad thing for a running game. The best skilled players in the world will look bad behind a poorly performing O-Line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Im not saying ignore the Oline but we dont have any talent at the skill positions. Everybody knows Benson is a bust and without Berrian are WR core is horrid. We need to fix the OL through FA and draft at the skill positions. Benson is a bust? Come on now. This is the NFL. It is a team game. If you don't have 11 guys doing their job on either side of the ball, you will not be as good individually. Look at Randy Moss, he was horrible in Oakland. Once he went to NE, he became the top WR again. Same goes for Welker. He was used sparingly in Miami as a WR, and lead the league in receptions in NE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenom283 Posted January 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Benson is a bust? Come on now. This is the NFL. It is a team game. If you don't have 11 guys doing their job on either side of the ball, you will not be as good individually. Look at Randy Moss, he was horrible in Oakland. Once he went to NE, he became the top WR again. Same goes for Welker. He was used sparingly in Miami as a WR, and lead the league in receptions in NE. Your at pick number 4 do you take Benson again, was he worth the 4th overall pick. Isnt a Bust not living up to the point at which you were taken. Bensons upside is shrinking not expanding he cant block well he does not cut back although he looks for contact he goes down after it and he is completely unmotivated, sorry hes a bust he might be a good back with an awesome line but even with a superior line his vision and cutback ability is not gonna change. Randy Moss has produced before everybody knew what he could dobefore he went to Oakland, and Welker is simply awesome in the Pats system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azbearsfan Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Your at pick number 4 do you take Benson again, was he worth the 4th overall pick. Isnt a Bust not living up to the point at which you were taken. Bensons upside is shrinking not expanding he cant block well he does not cut back although he looks for contact he goes down after it and he is completely unmotivated, sorry hes a bust he might be a good back with an awesome line but even with a superior line his vision and cutback ability is not gonna change. Randy Moss has produced before everybody knew what he could dobefore he went to Oakland, and Welker is simply awesome in the Pats system. This was looked at a ton on the old board. In that same draft, the other guy everyone wanted at that spot was Mike Williams. We got the better of that one. FIX THE OLINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 FIX THE OLINE Exactly - fix the o-line. We must have had over 30 false start penalties. We gave up approximately 40 sacks. We did not generate any push on running plays. WE MUST FIX THE O-LINE BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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