Top 2025 Draft Picks Locked in

[adam]

Based on the lack of a 4th rounder (used for Booker), the Bears have to nail their first 4 picks with 75+ picks between picks after pick #72.

#10
#39 (CAR)
#41
#72
-Following Picks will change, but currently:
#147
#197 (PIT)
#218 or #246 (CLE)
#233 (CIN)

Depending on the board, they may want to move back with one of their 2nds or the 3rd to pickup another pick. 

Examples:

Moving from#41 to #48 would net a mid-4th

Moving from #41 to #55 would net a late 3rd.

Moving from #73 to #85 would net a mid-4th. 

[Stinger226]

I read we have 10-41-42-72.

That should be 4 high level contributors day 1. 

[adam]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

I read we have 10-41-42-72.

That should be 4 high level contributors day 1. 

CAR has the 8th pick in the 1st (NYJ has the 7th pick). In the 2nd round, the teams with the same records rotate. First goes to last, every other team moves up one slot. So CAR picks 7th in the 2nd round, which is Pick 39. The Bears have the 10th pick in the first, and move up to the 9th pick in the 2nd, which is Pick 41.

Before the Jets win, CAR was still picking 8th but were the lowest 5 win team, so in the 2nd, they would've fell to the last 5-win team slot at 42. 

So the Bears have 10-39-41-72.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

I am a little intrigued with the big man Deone Walker DT.  I want size and strength in the trenches and that is exactly what this guy is.  He will command double teams, plug run lanes, and be disruptive. A Billings/Deone Walker next to Dexter/Pickens is a strong inside.  Sweat, Booker, Demarcu Walker, Taylor and Dennis-Sutton rotating the end brings an edge that can contain or attack the QB.  An oline with LT Banks, LG Trey Smith, C Shelton, D Jackson/Jenkins RG, Wright RT will rejuvenate an offense and become the stars of the town if they can find a scheme that fits them.

RB Sampson is a lightning bolt (4.35), but will more than likely be gone rd 3. Majors another C to groom, and Mitchell Evans TE who may be a hidden gem since his QB was more Tim Tebow than Caleb.  

[Stinger226]

The draft room will have a better read on prospects. I'm not informed enough to know who is. We should be able to get 3 first day starters or at least start early in the year and the 72 pick a contributor. 

[AZ54]

Just like last year I'd like a trade back from 10 even to as low as 20.  I doubt anyone is that desperate to move up so that won't likely happen.  There is still very good Dline and Oline talent for the trenches from 20-70.   RB is supposedly very deep as well and netting an extra 3rd Rd pick enables us to grab a good one to mix in with Swift.   Maybe someone will take Ian Cunningham off our hands and give us a 3rd Rd comp pick.  

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, AZ54 said:

Just like last year I'd like a trade back from 10 even to as low as 20.  I doubt anyone is that desperate to move up so that won't likely happen.  There is still very good Dline and Oline talent for the trenches from 20-70.   RB is supposedly very deep as well and netting an extra 3rd Rd pick enables us to grab a good one to mix in with Swift.   Maybe someone will take Ian Cunningham off our hands and give us a 3rd Rd comp pick.  

Not sure of this year but usually there's 6 to 12 blue chip players and then the 30 to 40 fall in the next tier. I like you think the more players the better if the blue chip players are gone.

[BearFan PHX]

13 hours ago, AZ54 said:

Maybe someone will take Ian Cunningham off our hands and give us a 3rd Rd comp pick.  

I'd trade Chris Morgan for a 2035 6th rounder LOL

seriously though, sooner or later we are going to get that 3rd round comp for Cunningham, and it isn't far fetched to think it will be this year.

[Mongo3451]

I'd trade him for a wet diaper...

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

I'd trade Chris Morgan for a 2035 6th rounder LOL

seriously though, sooner or later we are going to get that 3rd round comp for Cunningham, and it isn't far fetched to think it will be this year.

 

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

I'd trade him for a wet diaper...

 

I hope we get some competent leadership and they in turn bring in competent position coaches.

I do think our DBs coach, whoever he is, is doing a pretty good job, but with most of these guys, we can just start over, especially on offense.

Id also like to say that if we get more production out of our DL, like fixing the DT situation and maybe signing a guy like Chase Young, our LBs might start to look a lot better. Theyve been asked to clean up run game problems that really start on the DL, and that makes the late in coverage, and makes the opposing QB comfortable in the pocket, which makes everyone look bad in coverage.

[Stinger226]

3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I'd trade Chris Morgan for a 2035 6th rounder LOL

seriously though, sooner or later we are going to get that 3rd round comp for Cunningham, and it isn't far fetched to think it will be this year.

I think we should offer the OC job to the GB OL coach and hire a play caller to the room. He does amazing work with the OL . 

[Stinger226]

37 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

I hope we get some competent leadership and they in turn bring in competent position coaches.

I do think our DBs coach, whoever he is, is doing a pretty good job, but with most of these guys, we can just start over, especially on offense.

Id also like to say that if we get more production out of our DL, like fixing the DT situation and maybe signing a guy like Chase Young, our LBs might start to look a lot better. Theyve been asked to clean up run game problems that really start on the DL, and that makes the late in coverage, and makes the opposing QB comfortable in the pocket, which makes everyone look bad in coverage.

Chase is bad against the run (31) tot and only 5.5 sacks. Probably not a good idea from someone going to want 10-12 mil a year.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

Chase is bad against the run (31) tot and only 5.5 sacks. Probably not a good idea from someone going to want 10-12 mil a year.

Yeah, he's the new Clouney or Ngakue

[jason]

On 1/6/2025 at 6:55 PM, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I am a little intrigued with the big man Deone Walker DT.  I want size and strength in the trenches and that is exactly what this guy is.  He will command double teams, plug run lanes, and be disruptive. A Billings/Deone Walker next to Dexter/Pickens is a strong inside.  Sweat, Booker, Demarcu Walker, Taylor and Dennis-Sutton rotating the end brings an edge that can contain or attack the QB.  An oline with LT Banks, LG Trey Smith, C Shelton, D Jackson/Jenkins RG, Wright RT will rejuvenate an offense and become the stars of the town if they can find a scheme that fits them.

RB Sampson is a lightning bolt (4.35), but will more than likely be gone rd 3. Majors another C to groom, and Mitchell Evans TE who may be a hidden gem since his QB was more Tim Tebow than Caleb.  

Remember when the Bears had Traylor and Washington? I always loved those years. They don’t get many sacks, but they solve the run game issues. That allows others to free lance a bit more, and more exotic blitzing becomes possible.

Thats’s my way of saying I also like Walker.

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, jason said:

Remember when the Bears had Traylor and Washington? I always loved those years. They don’t get many sacks, but they solve the run game issues. That allows others to free lance a bit more, and more exotic blitzing becomes possible.

Thats’s my way of saying I also like Walker.

We were playing a 2 gap front with those two, and now we play a one gap style, and a hybrid style, where the NT may be a 2 gapper, but the 3T isnt.

That 2 gap style that leaves the LBers free to roam was popular n the early 2000s, and the Ravens were the best at it. i think modern offensive fronts, zone blocking schemes and fast release style offenses have made the 2 gap front archaic right now. of course everything comes back in fashion at some point, but i dunno if now is the right time for a 2 gap front?

[Mongo3451]

On 1/6/2025 at 9:55 PM, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I am a little intrigued with the big man Deone Walker DT.

I picked him in a mock last night.  Last year, I was enamored by Tvondre Sweat.  Watching a human his size move the way he did at the combine is amazing.  For now, I'm just doing five round drafts. 

[jason]

18 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

We were playing a 2 gap front with those two, and now we play a one gap style, and a hybrid style, where the NT may be a 2 gapper, but the 3T isnt.

That 2 gap style that leaves the LBers free to roam was popular n the early 2000s, and the Ravens were the best at it. i think modern offensive fronts, zone blocking schemes and fast release style offenses have made the 2 gap front archaic right now. of course everything comes back in fashion at some point, but i dunno if now is the right time for a 2 gap front?

I don’t believe it’s archaic. Having two monster 2-gap DTs occupies 3 blockers (GCG) and immediately puts the defense at a numerical disadvantage.

And the defense is actually up two players unless playing against a running QB. 

OTs on DEs one on one is exactly what you want on defense.

The obvious added benefit, of course, is that it limits the running lanes, allowing your LBs to blitz and gamble on big plays since A and B gaps are essentially clogged. 

I’d take Traylor and Washington in a heartbeat. Just like you can’t teach height in basketball, you can’t teach playable girth in football. A dude who can carry around 340 with mobility is not normal.

[BearFan PHX]

7 hours ago, jason said:

I don’t believe it’s archaic. Having two monster 2-gap DTs occupies 3 blockers (GCG) and immediately puts the defense at a numerical disadvantage.

And the defense is actually up two players unless playing against a running QB. 

OTs on DEs one on one is exactly what you want on defense.

The obvious added benefit, of course, is that it limits the running lanes, allowing your LBs to blitz and gamble on big plays since A and B gaps are essentially clogged. 

I’d take Traylor and Washington in a heartbeat. Just like you can’t teach height in basketball, you can’t teach playable girth in football. A dude who can carry around 340 with mobility is not normal.

OK, but a 2 gap scheme doesnt get as much fast pressure on the QB, and in the modern passing league, it's out of style for that reason.

Now you can certainly have one monster playing NT, like Billings did. That's a very good thing to have, and clogs up the middle. But teams play a 3T on the other side of the interior who is a one gapper penetrating type player more these days. And in a 3-4 front, there is always a monster NT, and then the other guy is a DE even, so not a second NT.

[Stinger226]

On 1/7/2025 at 11:13 AM, AZ54 said:

 

Watching Abdul Carter/PSU play. A total stud. 

[Mongo3451]

21 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Watching Abdul Carter/PSU play. A total stud. 

With a bum shoulder.  I love the heart...

[DABEARSDABOMB]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

Watching Abdul Carter/PSU play. A total stud. 

Was thinking same thing. He looks like a difference maker and could be there at 10. 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

If I could trade a 3rd rounder for Quentin from Colts to solve some interior problems maybe that makes things a bit more interesting in terms of going pass rusher first. 

[jason]

18 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

OK, but a 2 gap scheme doesnt get as much fast pressure on the QB, and in the modern passing league, it's out of style for that reason.

Now you can certainly have one monster playing NT, like Billings did. That's a very good thing to have, and clogs up the middle. But teams play a 3T on the other side of the interior who is a one gapper penetrating type player more these days. And in a 3-4 front, there is always a monster NT, and then the other guy is a DE even, so not a second NT.

No disagreement at all. But two of those monsters completely changes how an offense must attack. I’m fine with having less explosive middle rush as long as they push the pocket and occupy the four interior gaps.

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, jason said:

No disagreement at all. But two of those monsters completely changes how an offense must attack. I’m fine with having less explosive middle rush as long as they push the pocket and occupy the four interior gaps.

Well it's certainly a classic style of defense, and one that worked very well for the 2000 Ravens. And just because something is out of style doesn't mean it can't work.

I suspect we will stay with a defense that has a 3T, but there is nothing wrong with what you're saying either.

[adam]

6 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

If I could trade a 3rd rounder for Quentin from Colts to solve some interior problems maybe that makes things a bit more interesting in terms of going pass rusher first. 

There are a few teams with cap issues, the Saints are one of them, thanks Ryan Pace. Erik McCoy looked like a potential trade target, but if the Saints want to reduce their 2025 cap, trading him would actually increase it, so that is a no-go.

Which leads to another interesting potential issue in a few years. If teams continue to add these void years as a way to make the contracts better for the current cap, at some point that is going to come to a head where you will basically have 4-5 main guys and 45+ league minimum guys on your team. I hope it doesn't become the NBA.