Alaskan Grizzly Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 14 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said: He is probably the safest hire of all the coaches. He's worked with 3 high level QB's and played a huge part in 2 of theirs success (huge part of Rodgers & Dak had his best years under Mike). He's won a superbowl - made the playoffs a ton - high winning percentage. Yes - he has some issues that maybe keep him from being great, but its not like Jerry is the best in the world either. Bottom line - they could do a lot worse. McCarthy has a good floor and I'd feel pretty good about Caleb's development...maybe in 4 years you need to move on from Mike to someone who can take them to next level -but I think Mike would put Caleb and the rest of the team on a pretty good path forward. I also think he's pretty good at bringing on good assistants. These are all reasons why Carroll is my leading choice. (He’d be #2 after Bill Cowher - I wish). He’s got that background you talk of and managed success at both the collegiate and pro level. Having been to the Super Bowl in 2 consecutive years (winning one) and taking Seattle to the playoffs numerous times he knows how to get it done. And for what it’s worth he has ties to USC both historically and currently with him recently taking on a teacher role for the school. My one concern with him is has the game passed him by? I was a fan of hiring Fox but for whatever reason he couldn’t get traction in Chicago after doing some good work in Carolina and Denver. Not a fan at all of hiring another “hot” coordinator. We’ve been burned (I’m aware of the pun) too many times consecutively by that. And Vrabel hasn’t really proven he’s capable of doing a whole lot other than look intimidating. His biggest knock to me is he’s from the Belichick coaching tree and so far no one from that group has shown great promise individually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Kudos to the Bears for forcing the Cowboy's hand with McCarthy. Regardless if our interest was legit, part of the search is understanding the competition and they forced Dallas to show their hand early. With their roster makeup and Jones' deep pockets that was a legit concern. Now there are 3 decent HC openings and how you count "decent" varies depending on what you think of Trevor Lawrence and JAX, NE and Drake Maye. You've got to figure Vrabel is at or near the top of the list in NE along with Ben Johnson. Does Johnson really want to go to JAX? Is this now a 2 team and 2 horse race for the top candidates? If so that gives the Bears more time to be thorough and see if there are any rising stars that intrigue them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 4 hours ago, AZ54 said: Kudos to the Bears for forcing the Cowboy's hand with McCarthy. Regardless if our interest was legit, part of the search is understanding the competition and they forced Dallas to show their hand early. With their roster makeup and Jones' deep pockets that was a legit concern. Now there are 3 decent HC openings and how you count "decent" varies depending on what you think of Trevor Lawrence and JAX, NE and Drake Maye. You've got to figure Vrabel is at or near the top of the list in NE along with Ben Johnson. Does Johnson really want to go to JAX? Is this now a 2 team and 2 horse race for the top candidates? If so that gives the Bears more time to be thorough and see if there are any rising stars that intrigue them. Good analysis. I just hope the Bears dont overthink themselves into a corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 11 hours ago, Mongo3451 said: Why the holy hell are we interviewing 13 freaking people for the HC position? The real candidates must be shaking their heads. Not a good look. Just stupid... Agree. If you believe a guy is Lombardi or Papa Bear, you interview him. You don’t set up interviews with ten other dudes for practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, jason said: Agree. If you believe a guy is Lombardi or Papa Bear, you interview him. You don’t set up interviews with ten other dudes for practice. It's lunacy. There's Vrabel, Johnson and Carroll and nobody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said: It's lunacy. There's Vrabel, Johnson and Carroll and nobody else. Yeah. It’s comical actually. It’s like having Jordan, Kobe, and Pippen standing next to Bill Cartwright and considering whether or not Bill is interested in playing on your 3-man basketball team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 So is this Warren's influence in the process? Last time we had a limited number and George gave Poles 3 to choose from. It seems like their they are trying to find the diamond in the rough instead of picking out of the top 5 candidates and buying one. Vrabel seems most likely to go to NE because of his history. Johnson probably knows who he wants but we can't get him until after the playoffs. So are we going to process our way out of the top choices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 15 hours ago, jason said: Agree. If you believe a guy is Lombardi or Papa Bear, you interview him. You don’t set up interviews with ten other dudes for practice. How do you know a guy is the next Lombardi or Papa Bear until you interview them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 I think we are so used to the Bears screwing things up that we instinctively don't trust their process. And that is totally understandable. But I do think that doing these extra interviews has all kinds of secondary benefits other than choosing the head coach. You get intel on other teams, you get relationships for the future, you may be looking at some guys who dont get head coaching jobs as possible candidates for coordinator, you make friends, you help friends look better for getting interviews (Kafka) and that pays dividends later when favors are returned etc. etc. I do agree that there should be no more than maybe 5 names that are in real contention for the head coaching job. But there are still good reasons to talk to other candidates. In the end, we just need to pick the right guy - that will be the answer as to whether we did this right or not. The number of interviews is not really a problem. Hopefully the Bears have a clear plan on what they're doing, and who they are confirming through interviews, and don't gather too much info and start over thinking. But even if they do - even if their process is flawed and they over think, if they pick the right guy for the wrong reason that's still OK. At the end of the day, any hire is a risk, and all (most?) of the names theyre looking at could be good, so hopefully we get lucky if we dont come from a position of intelligence, and however this goes, if they pick Johnson or Vrabel, or a few other names, we could well be getting an excellent coach, and as there is risk involved, if they pick the guy we personally want (whoever that is for each of us) they could flop too. So Im not too worried about the process, I just hope the guy we pick turns out to be the right guy and we have success. And in truth, that's probably going to hinge more on how we rebuild the OL and pass rush than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 10 hours ago, AZ54 said: How do you know a guy is the next Lombardi or Papa Bear until you interview them? You don’t, but you also should have a pretty damn good idea of who your top three are. The Bears are going at this like a virgin freshman asking every girl in the class to prom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, jason said: You don’t, but you also should have a pretty damn good idea of who your top three are. The Bears are going at this like a virgin freshman asking every girl in the class to prom. I dont think they are seriously considering everyone they are interviewing for Head Coach. Some are for coordinators, some are for intel, some are favors etc. If they're really seriously considering 10+ candidates, then yes we have trouble, but if they're doing what I'm talking about then it's smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 11 hours ago, jason said: You don’t, but you also should have a pretty damn good idea of who your top three are. The Bears are going at this like a virgin freshman asking every girl in the class to prom. All the reports I've seen say Johnson and Vrabel are at the top of their list. Maybe they are adding some others to try to get to a top 3-4 for in-person interviews. All interviews so far have been via Zoom which I'm not crazy about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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