Is Kingsbury now a better option than Johnson?

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35 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

But you used the comment "he's a one read quarterback" many times to promote Caleb over him.  You were, very much so, diminishing his perceived ability.  You've also used terms like "locked on to his receiver".  That is criticism of Daniels that is simply not true.  I'm not trying to dog you, I think truth in context is very important in holding each other accountable.  When people show me the error, I thank them.

Oh Im not feeling dogged - thank you for saying that!

I just disagree from what I've seen.

Every QB has their skill set. I've said Caleb's deep ball is nowhere near as good or accurate as Daniels' and Daniels is probably the better open field runner, although Caleb's escape-ability is pretty good.

I do think Caleb's ceiling is higher than Daniels' but that doesn't mean i think Daniels is a bad QB.

And for what it's worth, I am happy to be proven wrong, I just don't think so about this, at least not at the moment. When I watch Daniels and see his head moving around making reads regularly, I'll definitely admit it. I only say what I see, I can't predict the future, so if i see something different in the future, I'll say he grew or changed?

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I'll just state - its one year and I'm not jumping to any conclusions, but I think one year in - there is no way I could look at Daniels and not be sitting there going wow, wish we had that success out of our guy in year 1.  He has played like a stud in big moments, has grown as the season progressed, etc.  Does that mean Caleb is a bust - no, he showed plenty of growth - but Daniels was by far the better rookie.  

And while I don't think he is a one read QB - I think he's done a great job with what has been given and he's used his legs as a total advantage.  I think he was put in a better position to succeed from a coaching perspective - but I also think Caleb was given enough talent too.  Caleb was solid as far as rookie season and growth goes - but he has plenty to improve on. He was absolutely asked to do more complicated stuff and quite frankly at times he looked okay at it, at other times he looked uncomfortable.  

I would say at this point - Daniels only question is whether he gets injured using his legs - but they make him a very dangerous player when you combine it with everything else. I think in the pocket - Caleb is better - Daniels has the other measurables and by the way Caleb is no slouch on the other too - but the Bears offense didn't maximize Caleb's strength's nor did it simplify the game for him.  Washington's did.  

By the way - any good OC does that for his QB. Ben Johnson did that in groves for Goff - in particular how well he leveraged their run game and the play action / misdirection stuff (and presnap movement). All of that helped simplify the in-play reads (the motions help a QB identify defenses / scheme guys open, play-action helps open the pocket and create clearer options/better initial reads, etc.  

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12 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

I'll just state - its one year and I'm not jumping to any conclusions, but I think one year in - there is no way I could look at Daniels and not be sitting there going wow, wish we had that success out of our guy in year 1.  He has played like a stud in big moments, has grown as the season progressed, etc.  Does that mean Caleb is a bust - no, he showed plenty of growth - but Daniels was by far the better rookie. 

Totally agree.

Here's a highlight film of Daniels' big plays against the Lions. Watch his head. He doesn't look off safeties, he doesn't turn his head to make second reads. Kingsbury has given him an amazing system that works. I assume Daniels is making presnap reads, because eveyone is always so open. But you see him lock in on the WR he is going to throw to.

The one exception (and I saw 2 in the whole game) is at 1:28 when he comes to Ertz at the goalline for the touchdown. Here he definitely makes a second read. But 90%+ of the time, he is throwing to his first read.

And it is working. All I'm saying is that Kingsbury is doing a great job, and I haven't seen Daniels look off safeties or make reads like most NFL QBs have to do, and that makes me wonder where Daniels would be without Kingsbury.

THe film is only a couple minutes long, so it's an easy watch. You have to click on the "watch on youtube" link tho - it wont play here embedded.